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Kevdog
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Anyone have an XX16g on the way?
      #5485903 - 10/23/12 07:26 PM

Anxious for some first light reports. Still waiting and thinking....

Anyone got one shipped yet?


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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: Kevdog]
      #5486342 - 10/24/12 01:01 AM

Seems to be a bit heavy to me. I'd rather find a used premium 16 inch with the finding and tracking. May cost a little more, but I think it would be worth it. 200 pounds may be OK if you have it permanently mounted somewhere. But that's some crazy weight even for a 16. I'd also be a little concerned if all the mechanics of these designs scale well with that much of a weight/size increase. But that's more of a hunch than any basis of fact.

However, I can say a 16 inch scope in dark skies can be very very special. It's a nice step up from a 12 inch.


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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: Kevdog]
      #5486510 - 10/24/12 05:49 AM

I'm curious as well, noticed they'd bounced the ship date around a little, this mornin' says the 27th. I was thinking to pre-order but I've never bought anything first round and untested.

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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: CounterWeight]
      #5486679 - 10/24/12 09:25 AM

I think and hope that Orion got the bugs inherent in a new product rollout worked through on the xx14g and simply scaled up for the xx16g. I know the initial xx14gs had some cluitch and mirror mounting issues which one hopes were integrated into the xx16g design. The one encouraging sign is that they have only slipped delivery dates on the 16 by a week; when the 14 came out they slipped several months before full production and delivery began.

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Kevdog
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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: MikeBOKC]
      #5489094 - 10/25/12 06:58 PM

Nobody?

Looks like my finances may delay any purchase I was going to make.... but still wanna know!

(It'd be a shed scope at my house, so weight is not a problem)


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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: Kevdog]
      #5491907 - 10/27/12 04:35 PM

If it is anything like the XX14g, then it will be a winner. Yes, it is heavy, but it breaks down into easily manageable components. The weight can also be viewed as a benefit to smooth hand guiding and vibration-free viewing.

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kharrison
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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: gene williams]
      #5509034 - 11/07/12 09:00 PM

OK, I confess. I ordered one. I plan on using it with a MallinCam at public observing events. Of course "ordering" and "getting" are two different things. They just pushed the ship date to 12/6.

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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: kharrison]
      #5509649 - 11/08/12 10:12 AM

I was at my dealer yesterday, The Observatory in Dallas, Tx and they had a brand new XX16G on the floor that they had oredered for a customer. Very surprising as it took them 6 months to deliver my XX14G a little over a year ago. They did say Orion was "very quick" to get the XX16G out. Impressive scope but my 14 is near too much for me to carry from inside my house to my observation area and then back at the end of the night.

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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: Wcclower]
      #5509717 - 11/08/12 10:51 AM

Those are some crazy heavy scopes. Best for a permanent location vice transport. Believe they weigh about 2 times the amount of normal truss scopes. That's something to consider for sure.

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Kevdog
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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: kharrison]
      #5510005 - 11/08/12 01:46 PM

Quote:

OK, I confess. I ordered one. I plan on using it with a MallinCam at public observing events. Of course "ordering" and "getting" are two different things. They just pushed the ship date to 12/6.




Guess I don't have to feel bad about not having the money to order one just yet!

Anxiously awaiting your first impressions.


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kharrison
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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: Wcclower]
      #5518725 - 11/13/12 09:23 PM

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I was at my dealer yesterday, The Observatory in Dallas, Tx and they had a brand new XX16G on the floor that they had oredered for a customer. Very surprising as it took them 6 months to deliver my XX14G a little over a year ago. They did say Orion was "very quick" to get the XX16G out. Impressive scope but my 14 is near too much for me to carry from inside my house to my observation area and then back at the end of the night.




The one at The Observatory is mine. I picked it up last Friday (11/9) but weather and work have conspired to prevent first light. I hope to have it out by this weekend and I will post a review.

It has filled up my PT Cruiser pretty much. No single piece was very difficult to pick up, even given the wimpy nature of my arms. Orion said the base is the heaviest piece but if you leave the counterweights attached the mirror box becomes the heaviest piece (I know, duh!).


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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: kharrison]
      #5519155 - 11/14/12 08:13 AM

dang, there goes my trip to dallas to see it in person this weekend, lol. Congrats and we all look forward to the first light report!

Andy


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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: ourobouros2k2]
      #5519329 - 11/14/12 10:45 AM

Congrats Kharrison! You will love it. I really love my 14. And you couldn't be dealing with a better bunch of guys. I have a great relationship with Rick, Frank, and Marcus. Hollar back if you want some advice for dark skies around the Dallas area.
Craig


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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: kharrison]
      #5520180 - 11/14/12 09:23 PM

Did you have much trouble hoisting the assembled base, or did you break it down for transport? Be most anxious to hear first light report, especially how much step-up is required for viewing near zenith.

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kharrison
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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: MikeBOKC]
      #5520339 - 11/14/12 11:24 PM Attachment (79 downloads)

We broke down the base to put it in my car. It would be about 100 lbs assembled. If the weather cooperates I plan to take it out Friday/Saturday. If I did it right, the attached picture of it has a 12" dob in the back.

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Kevdog
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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: kharrison]
      #5520953 - 11/15/12 10:44 AM

Holy *BLEEP*! That's a 12" dob tube in the back? Then it is HUGE.

*drool*


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Kevdog
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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: Kevdog]
      #5521649 - 11/15/12 06:02 PM

As a side note, my wife told my 5 year old son that we can't get me the telescope I want for Christmas because we don't have the money right now.

My son said, "Well why don't we have Santa get it for him?" My wife explained that Santa only gets stuff for boys and girls and not adults.

My son asked, "So can I ask for the telescope for Christmas and then give it to Daddy?"

.......

That's a good boy I have there!


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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: Kevdog]
      #5521781 - 11/15/12 07:31 PM

Quote:

As a side note, my wife told my 5 year old son that we can't get me the telescope I want for Christmas because we don't have the money right now.

My son said, "Well why don't we have Santa get it for him?" My wife explained that Santa only gets stuff for boys and girls and not adults.

My son asked, "So can I ask for the telescope for Christmas and then give it to Daddy?"

.......

That's a good boy I have there!




Sounds like the kids learning how to work the system.


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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: pstarr]
      #5522293 - 11/16/12 05:43 AM

Thats sweet good luck

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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: zipthelipp]
      #5522309 - 11/16/12 06:08 AM

I am soooo jealous!

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MikeBOKC
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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: TexasRed]
      #5525965 - 11/18/12 11:54 AM

Any first light this weekend?

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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: GOLGO13]
      #5526105 - 11/18/12 01:05 PM

I agree, 200lbs is acceptable if you are talking about a 25-inch, but that is ridiculously heavy for a 16-inch. My 15-inch assembled weighs 120lbs, and that is because I have a heavy battery in the base. Just the telescope alone is about 100 lbs. That is much more reasonable for a 16-inch.

Taras


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kharrison
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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: Achernar]
      #5526976 - 11/18/12 10:28 PM

I finally had first light! I have a park near my condo with only one light which is blocked by trees. However, surrounding stadium lights upped the light pollution quite a bit (I couldnít make out all the starts in Cassiopeia). It didnít matter that much because I was mainly interested in the mechanics of the setup. It is heavy and I wouldnít recommend it for anyone with back problems. Assembling the base went quickly. After lifting the base piece out of my car I rolled to the setup location, so that wasnít so bad from a weight standpoint. Putting the lower tube into place was a little more difficult because I leave the counterweights attached. Still was able to line up the fittings between the base and tube on my first try. The only non-captive bolt on the whole scope which locks the tube to the base took about five minutes to install. I had to shift the tube around a little before the holes lined up. The struts went on without any trouble. The upper tube is what took the longest. I suppose the main problem was trying to get the bolts and the holes to line up. It was twilight by this time and was mainly trying to do it by touch. I finally wised up, held a flashlight in my mouth and visually lined things up. That process took half the setup time, which was one hour. Iím sure Iíll get faster with practice.

Aligning the scope went quickly and the go-to was dead on for the rest of the evening. Using the 28mm wide field eyepiece that came with the scope I could see M32 for the first time. Went over to the Ring and it was quite visible in the eyepiece, even though it was close to the moon. Went to the blue snowball and could tell it was really blue. I went to the Pleiades with my 41mm Panoptic and they were exceptionally bright and distinct. I could see the Saturn nebula clearly with an 8mm Ethos. With the Ethos again I went to M15 and could clearly make out individual stars, no grey fuzzies. Overall, considering how bad the skies were, I was pretty impressed. I canít wait to get it to some really dark skies!

Take down also took about an hour, including packing all the peripherals. I had trouble with a bolt on one of the struts. It didnít want to turn. I got it out eventually but the retaining washer snapped off. I havenít tried to reattach it yet.

Overall, it went pretty smoothly for a first time out. It was quite a workout for a couch potato like me. Iím a little sore today. Weather permitting Iíll be out again on Tuesday. Iíll see if Iím any faster then.


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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: kharrison]
      #5529604 - 11/20/12 08:48 AM

That's what I was waiting for - thanks so much for the post! Nice to hear good word about the initial align and goto. Nice variety of objects and ep's - Appreciate caution about 'those with back issues'.

One thing I own that's been a big help is a head light / helmet light that is popular with bicycle riders, mine has 4 settings one being red LED, pivots in the up-down. Great for light where you want it with use of both hands and mouth..

Again, thankls for the informative post!


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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: kharrison]
      #5530488 - 11/20/12 03:49 PM

Sounds about like what I was expecting. I'm sure setup gets easier with practice.

I'd recommend one of these headlamps. It makes my setup so much easier:
http://www.amazon.com/FRED-White-Red-LED-Black/dp/B005I6M3W4/ref=sr_1_55?ie=U...

It always defaults to turning on to red. You have to hold it down to get to white light so you never accidentally blind yourself!

The views also sound very good. I had a decent night out camping the other night with my 8" SCT. But a lot of the galaxies were just faint smudges and despite good seeing I was still wanting MORE for Jupiter.

We will see. Money it tight right now and not sure I could convince the wife to take the beast camping! :P

Still drool worthy though!


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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: Kevdog]
      #5548767 - 12/01/12 01:04 PM

Any subsequent or second light report on this scope? Operation, setup and of course visual impressions . . .

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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: MikeBOKC]
      #5549605 - 12/01/12 11:51 PM

uhh, that thing is massive, 200lbs are you kidding me. And for that price Id much rather get a used premium dob of similar aperture.

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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: sniperpride]
      #5549724 - 12/02/12 01:25 AM

Quote:

I agree, 200lbs is acceptable if you are talking about a 25-inch, but that is ridiculously heavy for a 16-inch. My 15-inch assembled weighs 120lbs, and that is because I have a heavy battery in the base. Just the telescope alone is about 100 lbs. That is much more reasonable for a 16-inch.

Taras





Quote:

uhh, that thing is massive, 200lbs are you kidding me. And for that price Id much rather get a used premium dob of similar aperture.




OK... so there's two at least that do not have one on the way.... (maybe start another thread along the lines of "orion 16G too heavy for me or anyone", or "why i'm not ordering the orion 16G...")

Hopefully we can continue to hear from those that do have one on the way and if arrived how they like it? How they feel about the weight, if they feel it such a gross negative to justify going to another vendor or buying something else on used market?, or if the 'convex-back' mirror/cell construction, collimation, and cooling is better or worse or non-issue, or if the weight / drive system any difference in performance in a windy night of viewing...


I'd much prefer to hear more about what these scopes are from folks that have them... instead of what they are not by folks who have never used them.


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kharrison
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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: CounterWeight]
      #5554821 - 12/04/12 11:08 PM

Well Iíve had it out 4 more times since first light. Over Thanksgiving I took it out to my folks place out in the country near Huntsville, TX. I managed to put it together in about 30 minutes. The alignment did not hold well this time. Within 2 hours the go-to was quite a bit off. I suspect I didnít have the base level. I was sitting out in an overgrown field and the only level I had was an app on my old iPhone (has a curved back). A bright moon washed out some of the fainter objects, but planetary nebulae were easy to spot. I got Jupiter up to 450x with my Ethos on a Barlow and it still looked sharp. Take down took about 20 minutes this time. The other 3 times I had it out were at public observing events in the city so there was lots of light pollution. This past Saturday was the most recent one and I had a friend who had just bought a gently used 16Ē Lightbridge. We both went to the blue snowball and tried to get close to the same magnification so we could compare. Both images looked pretty good. I think mine was a little brighter than his. We are working out a plan to go to a good dark site and do a serious comparison test. The alignment held well at all the public observing events, which tends to support my ďbase not levelĒ theory.

OK, now the weight issue. It is heavy, thereís no disputing that. But it does break down into manageable pieces. And the weight has a benefit: in a gusty wind last Saturday there was little shake in the image. The only wind effect I noticed was that I had to tighten the clutch as it tried to turn into the wind.

The conical mirror is great. Without fans it is fully equalized by the time I get everything assembled. It holds collimation very well for a truss tube. I keep the trusses in the same position each time and I really havenít had to collimate it. I just started to notice it was a little off by the end of the night Saturday.

The closed-loop electronics work as advertised. I loosened the clutch and pushed it all over the place and it was still accurate when I used the go-to.


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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: kharrison]
      #5558918 - 12/07/12 09:46 AM

good information -

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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: kharrison]
      #5559168 - 12/07/12 11:57 AM

How are you finding the eyepiece height? At what altitude are you needing to use a step stool?

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kharrison
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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: MikeBOKC]
      #5560037 - 12/07/12 10:05 PM

I haven't actually measured it but I'd guess about 20 degrees from zenith. And I'm 6' tall.

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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: kharrison]
      #5560062 - 12/07/12 10:18 PM

Glad you are happy with the telescope.

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Kevdog
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Re: Anyone have an XX16g on the way? new [Re: GeneT]
      #5571906 - 12/15/12 01:21 AM

Thanks for the follow-up reports!

I still really like the idea of the scope, but my purchase of one has been greatly put off as I recently picked up a used C11 for a good price. Couldn't quite swing the $4k for the XX16g yet. Maybe in a few more years now!


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