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BDS316
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Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility
      #5992633 - 07/27/13 09:22 AM

I'm posting this question on the reflector forum because I figure there are more Dob owners here than elsewhere.

Right now I have an Infinity G sedan which is fine for transporting my current XT8 across the back seat, but in the future I have my eyes set on a 12 or 15 inch truss Dob. I'm looking at small SUV's such as the Toyota RAV4, Honda CRV, or possibly an upscale small SUV such as the Infinity EX or a similar sized Lexus or Acura.

What's the largest truss dob that would fit into a vehicle of this size?

A related question although possibly off topic would be, which of these SUV's is the best?

Thanks


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: BDS316]
      #5992684 - 07/27/13 10:04 AM

I have a Honda CRV and a 15 inch scope. A handy set of rampa let me roll in no problem. I have previously owned a Suburu Outback and again no problem to that size.

Not sure what the limit might be.

Both vehicles had pros and cons. I prefer the driving feel of the CRV (i test drove a lot of models from different companies) and could have been happy with several...i just liked the Honda feel.

Edited by wavelandscott (07/27/13 10:08 AM)


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: wavelandscott]
      #5992698 - 07/27/13 10:11 AM

I have a 12" and a CRV. A friend of mine has a VW Golf and a 16" Lightbridge and it fits!

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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: BDS316]
      #5992707 - 07/27/13 10:16 AM

Make a cardboard mockup cube 6"larger than the mirror. Astrosky makes his uta fit into the mirror box so you don't have worry about that additional space.

So your 15" mirror rocker/mirror box would takeup about 21x21x21 space.

Edited by Pinbout (07/27/13 11:43 AM)


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: Pinbout]
      #5992724 - 07/27/13 10:30 AM

Ive got a ford escape, and with the seats down in the back, I fit my Orion XX 14i, xt 10 G and a c8 all at the same time.
You could fit a xx 16G no problem...


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: BDS316]
      #5992733 - 07/27/13 10:35 AM

Quote:

I'm posting this question on the reflector forum because I figure there are more Dob owners here than elsewhere.

Right now I have an Infinity G sedan which is fine for transporting my current XT8 across the back seat, but in the future I have my eyes set on a 12 or 15 inch truss Dob. I'm looking at small SUV's such as the Toyota RAV4, Honda CRV, or possibly an upscale small SUV such as the Infinity EX or a similar sized Lexus or Acura.

What's the largest truss dob that would fit into a vehicle of this size?

A related question although possibly off topic would be, which of these SUV's is the best?

Thanks




Which SUV is best? For what purpose? Off road?
Mild off road ( on grass), all you have listed are fine. If you want something beefier, you might have to look into something with more frame and drive train strength.
Chevy Tahoe, Jeep Cherokee, Land rover, etc.
I've been around the block with some of these, as a Geologist, you need to get into some remote places with equipment.


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: BDS316]
      #5992868 - 07/27/13 11:57 AM

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Right now I have an Infinity G sedan which is fine for transporting my current XT8 across the back seat, but in the future I have my eyes set on a 12 or 15 inch truss Dob.




I don't know much about the Infinity G Sedan but from what a quick Google shows, it's a reasonably large sedan.

A few data points:

- My 12.5inch F/4.06 Truss is an easy fit in any car, it all nests together, it's basically a cube 20"x19"x28" that sits nicely on a seat, taking up the space of a single passenger.

- My 16 inch F/4.42 Dobstuff does fit in our 1999 Honda Accord but it's close and if I remember correctly I need to unbolt the altitude bearings, 4 bolts, if I want to "nest" the scope. The poles are something of a problem but they fit if I open the passage between the truck and the passenger compartment.

In my mind, it's smarter to spend more money on a better scope rather than buying a car specifically for a scope. For example, I recently saw that just the base of one of the 12 inch Orion Dobs was 30 inches tall, the base alone takes up more room than my entire 12.5 inch...

Shneor who posts here used to transport his 22 inch in a Mazda 323..

Just some thoughts.

Jon

(My 12.5 inch behind the rear seat of a 1994 Escort wagon.)


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5992889 - 07/27/13 12:12 PM

I just bought an 18" Obsession and it easily fit in my 2011 Subaru Outback. It has a huge cargo capacity but with the 2.5L engine it still gets 28mpg

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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: Kevdog]
      #5992895 - 07/27/13 12:15 PM

I drive a '99 Honda CRV with only 42M miles on it. The vehicle is large enough for me to sleep in it with my 12" Lightbridge and camping gear in it.

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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5992901 - 07/27/13 12:18 PM

Astrosystems have cubic dims for the rocker/mirror box on their webpage that are pretty standard.

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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: BDS316]
      #5992940 - 07/27/13 12:36 PM

Quote:

I'm posting this question on the reflector forum because I figure there are more Dob owners here than elsewhere.

Right now I have an Infinity G sedan which is fine for transporting my current XT8 across the back seat, but in the future I have my eyes set on a 12 or 15 inch truss Dob. I'm looking at small SUV's such as the Toyota RAV4, Honda CRV, or possibly an upscale small SUV such as the Infinity EX or a similar sized Lexus or Acura.

What's the largest truss dob that would fit into a vehicle of this size?

A related question although possibly off topic would be, which of these SUV's is the best?

Thanks




Do you want the scope to fit solely in the cargo area, or are mid seats down okay? I've got to transport kids so folding middle seats is not an option for me. I can get my XT10G and gear into the back of a Chevy Equinox, barely. Though this is a solid tube scope. My Tahoe is no problem, though it sounds like you want to stay in a smaller class. I don't think you can go wrong with any of the models listed, IMO it just comes down to personal taste.

The Rav 4 has the swinging door, while the others I think are hatchback.


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: billywho]
      #5993619 - 07/27/13 08:40 PM

I'd buy the scope and then take it with me to the test drives. No fit-no buy.

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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: BDS316]
      #5993706 - 07/27/13 09:39 PM

I have a Honda CRV. I have hauled a 12.5 inch Portaball and an Obsession 18 UC. I really like the CRV. I would have preferred a Honda Pilot because it is larger, but it is also several thousand more. When I go out for an all nighter, if I leave the telescope set up outside, I can either sleep in the cubicle space, or fold down a front seat to sleep. The CRV handles real nice and gets good gas mileage.

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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: BDS316]
      #5993911 - 07/27/13 11:37 PM

I transport my 16" Teeter in a '12 Prius v wagon (averaging 44 mpg over 12K miles) and occasionally in my '05 CR-V. I use telescoping 6 ft aluminum ramps to load the scope and the wheelbarrow handles fold in half. That simplifies packing as both items can be stored crossways on the floor behind the front seat or behind the rear seat which slides forward in both vehicles.

Lionel


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: BDS316]
      #5993941 - 07/28/13 12:10 AM Attachment (19 downloads)

Build a pine board mock-up of the scope you have in mind. Then make sure the completed unit is a bit smaller. Here is my 16" f/7 base in the back of my CRV, note the back seats are still up. Lots of room left over.

As far as the "best" SUV, I would keep in mind that astro-use will probably only account for a small percentage of total use. Choose based on the other 90%, so long as the scope fits.


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: Jeff Morgan]
      #5994063 - 07/28/13 02:24 AM Attachment (23 downloads)

Here is the back of my CRV with my 18" Classic Obsession loaded, with the upper assembly and the trusses on the back seats, along with clothing etc for me and the wife for three days...

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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: RolandosCY]
      #5994252 - 07/28/13 08:08 AM

I know a guy who fits his 20-inch low profile dob into a Mini-Cooper. And still has room for his wife, dog, and camping gear.

It's all a matter of design. (And keeping the dog size within reason).

JimC


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: Mirzam]
      #5994271 - 07/28/13 08:26 AM

JimC,

Dog size is a sensitive subject!!!

If its under 50 lbs it ain't a dog and we are moving into cat territory (I fiercely love my Husky!)


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: Mirzam]
      #5994273 - 07/28/13 08:27 AM

Quote:

I know a guy who fits his 20-inch low profile dob into a Mini-Cooper. And still has room for his wife, dog, and camping gear.

It's all a matter of design. (And keeping the dog size within reason).

JimC




What about wife size?


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: Jeff Morgan]
      #5994292 - 07/28/13 08:48 AM

You rightly point out that there is a trade-off regarding available space:

AS = WS + DS

or

AS - WS = DS

or vice versa depending on temperament.

But you can never have

WS + DS >> AS

JimC


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: Mirzam]
      #5994296 - 07/28/13 08:51 AM

Your math is sublime.

Ok, drop the wife, take astro gear and dog

Hell on earth follows...


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: nicknacknock]
      #5994420 - 07/28/13 10:01 AM

My wife prefers I leave home.

And so do I, I like to view in quiet.


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: Mirzam]
      #5994563 - 07/28/13 11:32 AM Attachment (16 downloads)

Quote:

I know a guy who fits his 20-inch low profile dob into a Mini-Cooper. And still has room for his wife, dog, and camping gear.

It's all a matter of design. (And keeping the dog size within reason).

JimC




Is it one of those tiny lap-dogs?

I can get my 18" truss into the back of a Renault MPV with room to spare for eyepiece case, clothes, steps, truss poles, observing table and quite a few other things. And this is with the back seats still upright but pushed as far forward as I can make them go.


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: FJA]
      #5994752 - 07/28/13 01:24 PM

Nice job. Even the ladder!

It was a pretty small dog in the case I mentioned above. Would provide a quick snack for a coyote.

JimC


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: Mirzam]
      #5994921 - 07/28/13 03:03 PM

Quote:

Nice job. Even the ladder!

It was a pretty small dog in the case I mentioned above. Would provide a quick snack for a coyote.

JimC




Yeah I was quite impressed. I think that, with a bit of careful planning, I could pull the rear seats back slightly and get another passenger in there. It'd be a bit of a tight fit but doable. That said, I'd probably get pulled over by the police for having an overloaded car.


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: FJA]
      #5995026 - 07/28/13 04:03 PM

here's my unfinished 12.5 in the front of my civic.

uta and rocker/mirror box.



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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: Mirzam]
      #5995797 - 07/28/13 11:58 PM

Quote:

You rightly point out that there is a trade-off regarding available space:

AS = WS + DS

or

AS - WS = DS

or vice versa depending on temperament.

But you can never have

WS + DS >> AS

JimC




There is another solution to this multi-variate problem:

Solve for ST(w) = New Moon

where ST = wife's "special time".

Lots of room for the dog, as well as incentive to drive a few miles farther out


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: BDS316]
      #5996136 - 07/29/13 08:45 AM

I can get my 15-inch into my 2004 Chevy Malibu, and still could take along a passenger. You should have no trouble getting a 15-inch into a small SUV, if it's a truss-tube that is well designed. Indeed, folks transport 16, 17.5, 18 and even 20-inch truss-tubes in small SUV's. Check out this fellow's 22-inch, he found a way to make it fit into a small car.


http://faintfuzzies.com/

Taras


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: BDS316]
      #5996712 - 07/29/13 02:20 PM

Quote:

I'm posting this question on the reflector forum because I figure there are more Dob owners here than elsewhere.

Right now I have an Infinity G sedan which is fine for transporting my current XT8 across the back seat, but in the future I have my eyes set on a 12 or 15 inch truss Dob. I'm looking at small SUV's such as the Toyota RAV4, Honda CRV, or possibly an upscale small SUV such as the Infinity EX or a similar sized Lexus or Acura.

What's the largest truss dob that would fit into a vehicle of this size?

A related question although possibly off topic would be, which of these SUV's is the best?

Thanks




I have a Honda Element that I use for my 18" Starmaster. It has a huge cargo area for a smallish SUV (75 cubic feet with the rear seats removed), and the rear doors pivot a full 90 degrees for an extra-large portal allowing easy loading and unloading. I have plenty of room to spare for camping gear, so I'm sure I could carry an even larger scope in it without any difficulty.

I think there have had several previous threads about this topic, so you might want to track those down too.


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: Achernar]
      #5997825 - 07/30/13 04:54 AM

Quote:

I can get my 15-inch into my 2004 Chevy Malibu, and still could take along a passenger. You should have no trouble getting a 15-inch into a small SUV, if it's a truss-tube that is well designed. Indeed, folks transport 16, 17.5, 18 and even 20-inch truss-tubes in small SUV's. Check out this fellow's 22-inch, he found a way to make it fit into a small car.


http://faintfuzzies.com/

Taras




That's Alvin Huey's 22", he got that plus all his other stuff into that VW Beetle. Impressive. Alvin's a member of CN.


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: BDS316]
      #5998001 - 07/30/13 09:01 AM Attachment (9 downloads)

Taking the answer in a different direction, I recently moved from NYC to Denver, with a stop at the Rocky Mountain Star Stare, and utilized a 4x8 cargo trailer attached to my CRV.
4x8
Initially I was anxious about transporting my 16" 1900 miles in such a thing, along with my my wife and little boy (To be clear, they were in the cab with me!) as I had never used one before. To my pleasant surprise, however, it worked out great! The driving was surprisingly easy, dirt roads and all, and the CRV did very well with no significant loss of power! And, the scope and equipment fared very well. The added space is great, as I was able to bring camping equipment, observing platform, tools, food, water and loads of other extras. This was all so successful that I now plan to purchase one for dark sky outings, as this is - for me - clearly the way to go now.
Cool!


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: RolandosCY]
      #5998425 - 07/30/13 01:12 PM

Quote:

Here is the back of my CRV with my 18" Classic Obsession loaded, with the upper assembly and the trusses on the back seats, along with clothing etc for me and the wife for three days...




A friend of mine had one of those. A number of times we fit my Obsession 20, plus 6-foot ladder, in it. We still had room for tents, food, etc. Packing was something of a puzzle, but it all worked. We even got it all in one night in the dark at Cherry Springs - no lights allowed, and everything was frosted up.

I did the same with a Chevy Tahoe, and even included my ES 127mm APO and Celestron CG-5 and some other stuff.

Ultimately I got a cargo trailer.


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: George N]
      #5999105 - 07/30/13 08:56 PM

Hmm.
I've fitted a 16" truss into my VW GTI.
I might be able to get an 18" in there if it has a low rocker box.
When I go to star parties, I take 3 scopes and the wife and everything fits in, though the load does go above the belt line.
An acquaintance once put a 30" dob in a Ford Festiva (one of the little, earlier, ones!). With a passenger!
I've seen a 16" in a Chevy Aveo, with passenger.
I have a friend with an 18" who carries it in a Honda Fit (I swear, that car has more room on the inside than most SUVs).
Most SUVs, with middle seats removed or stowed, should accept up to a 22-24" scope. Scopes that big will need ramps.
I've seen up to a 28" in the back of a pickup.

Here are the issues:
--How much window do you mind blocking?
--How many passengers will you have?
--How much can you lift?
--How much disassembly and reassembly are you willing to do?
--Could you carry some gear in a rooftop cargo box?
--How wide and tall is the opening when the hatchback is lifted all the way?
--How many days are you packing for?
--Do you need to carry camping equipment as well as other stuff?

How you answer those questions will determine what you get. I'd carry a 20" in a RAV-4, with room to spare for wife and LOTS of other gear. It's all in how you pack.


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: Starman1]
      #5999373 - 07/31/13 12:47 AM

I transport my 22" UC to dark site with camping gear for 2 in a station wagon and have an unobstructed view out the back and side windows.

A 22" UC would easily fit in CRV with room for extra gear.


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: jpcannavo]
      #5999932 - 07/31/13 11:53 AM

Quote:

Taking the answer in a different direction, I recently moved from NYC to Denver, with a stop at the Rocky Mountain Star Stare, and utilized a 4x8 cargo trailer attached to my CRV.
4x8
Initially I was anxious about transporting my 16" 1900 miles in such a thing, along with my my wife and little boy (To be clear, they were in the cab with me!) as I had never used one before. To my pleasant surprise, however, it worked out great! The driving was surprisingly easy, dirt roads and all, and the CRV did very well with no significant loss of power! And, the scope and equipment fared very well. The added space is great, as I was able to bring camping equipment, observing platform, tools, food, water and loads of other extras. This was all so successful that I now plan to purchase one for dark sky outings, as this is - for me - clearly the way to go now.
Cool!





I think that would be the ultimate way to go - one could take a few days to determine the optimal layout for the entire observing kit and install the required brackets and tie-downs. Once that task was done, everything is left in the trailer. The only time items leave the trailer is for use, cleaning, or maintenance.

When the observing session "go" decision is it's just a matter of backing the car in and hooking up the trailer. No multiple trips to pack items into the car, no forgotten items (On my last observing session it was a late "go" decision and I forgot many items, including my observing chair and table!) In terms of time, the pack/unpack cycle probably totals (for me) 40 minutes to an hour.

Now, where to put the second trailer ...


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: Jeff Morgan]
      #6000082 - 07/31/13 01:58 PM

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Now, where to put the second trailer ...





I had a trailer for my motorcycle, OMG! I sucked at backing that thing up. I made sure where ever I was going, I was going forward!



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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: Jeff Morgan]
      #6002418 - 08/02/13 12:37 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Taking the answer in a different direction, I recently moved from NYC to Denver, with a stop at the Rocky Mountain Star Stare, and utilized a 4x8 cargo trailer attached to my CRV.
4x8
Initially I was anxious about transporting my 16" 1900 miles in such a thing, along with my my wife and little boy (To be clear, they were in the cab with me!) as I had never used one before. To my pleasant surprise, however, it worked out great! The driving was surprisingly easy, dirt roads and all, and the CRV did very well with no significant loss of power! And, the scope and equipment fared very well. The added space is great, as I was able to bring camping equipment, observing platform, tools, food, water and loads of other extras. This was all so successful that I now plan to purchase one for dark sky outings, as this is - for me - clearly the way to go now.
Cool!





I think that would be the ultimate way to go - one could take a few days to determine the optimal layout for the entire observing kit and install the required brackets and tie-downs. Once that task was done, everything is left in the trailer. The only time items leave the trailer is for use, cleaning, or maintenance.....




I tried that..... left my Obsession 20 in my cargo trailer all winter. Big mistake! The thing dewed up just about every morning! You can only leave a scope and other gear in a trailer if you have thermostat controlled heat and maybe a dehumidifier. Most people use a small light bulb on a timer under the primary. Of course that means running AC to the trailer, and in my case, that means thru deep snow. If you live an area where it gets in the 90's, expect that to mean 120 degrees inside the trailer..... and you need a solar powered exhaust fan.


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Re: Dobsonian/ SUV compatibility new [Re: Pinbout]
      #6002946 - 08/02/13 10:29 AM

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Now, where to put the second trailer ...





I had a trailer for my motorcycle, OMG! I sucked at backing that thing up. I made sure where ever I was going, I was going forward!






Oh my god yes! It makes for quite a geometric spatial mental workout! However, necessity is the mother...
During my cross country trip hauling the thing, I had my awesome 3 yo boy phoenix (and wife) with me. Needless to say many "pit stops" were needed. As such I pulled into a number of spots I had to back out of, and I found I got on a real good learning curve. By the end of the trip (6 days/1900 miles) I felt ready for an 18 wheeler - only kidding! But seriously, by trips end I was backing into parking spots quite easily - and felt kind of cool doing it. Now all I got to do is hookup my CB radio!
As for the comments about leaving equipment in the cargo trailer for extended periods - thats a second question. But for moving around ATM equipment with great ease, I am totally sold on the cargo trailer concept. Also, all kinds of ancillary equipment (tools, books, chairs etc.) can certainly be left in it for extended periods. When I got to the RMSS Having it with me was totally cool. It seemed anything I needed was in that trailer - hammer, jugs of water, duct tape, extra chairs, rope, tarps, shovel, scrap wood. For obsessive over-packers like me its the way to go. By the way, Rob Teeter, utilizes such a small cargo trailer for bringing his fine scopes to various events and observing sites on the east coast.


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