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David E
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Lucky me, I've had some decent skies this week . In addition to nabbing a couple new asteroids and a new galaxy with my Dob for my observing log, I had some fun at the other end of the aperture scale. I settled on three Naglers for my SV50 Sparrowhawk, 13mm, 9mm and 5mm (all type 6 of course!) The "Sparrowhawk" is the Stellarvue 9x50 finderscope with an ego. I used the 13 basically for a finder eyepiece, as it produces about a 5º true field. There were a few objects that I could not see in the 13 (too dim or too small) but showed up well in the 9 and 5mm. Nearly all my observing was with the 5mm at 20x. Here we go:
Double Cluster: Of course I have to view that one, it's obligatory! 
M15 Globular: Really stunning in the 9 and even the 5. The glob is nested in a very pretty star field, and is quite bright.
M2 Globular: Pretty, like a cotton ball, but mostly isolated from stars so it's not as visually striking as M15. M71 Globular in Sagitta: I was pleasantly surprised to see this one in my suburban skies as a very pale indistinctly round patch of light. Best with the 9mm.
M27 PNe: What can I say, this one is very bright and absolutely stunning even with the 5 Nagler. I really get the impression I'm using a much bigger scope!
M57 PNe: Tiny but still ring-like in the 5mm.
Delta 2 Lyr: I love this star grouping. Delta 2 is a red giant at the apex of a double triangle. Use a small scope for this one: too much aperture shows too many stars and ruins the effect.
Double Double: Okay, only got a Double. 
M52 Open Cluster "Scorpion": Wow! A distinct glowy patch with a bright star in its western edge. Very pretty!
Eta Cas, double star: Very easily split with the 5mm, with a very dim companion 10" due east.
Almach, double star: Quite a bit harder at 9.6" separation (4 tenths makes a difference with a 50mm scope!) The companion, ENE of the primary, is quite bright at magnitude 5 so both stars had rather large airy discs adding to the difficulty.
M103 Open Cluster: Four stars in a flattened diamond embedded in a haze of light visible with averted vision.
NGC 663 Open Cluster: Near M103, this one is large and bright and an easy catch.
NGC 654 Open Cluster: Also near M103, I think I spotted this one but not too sure.
M11 Wild Duck Cluster. This one is very pretty with a low power, wide field view. I could see the eyes of the Duck. 
(Early morning targets): M44 Beehive: That, and the Little Behive in Canis Major are nice targets for the Sparrowhawk.
NGC 3692 Eskimo Nebula: This one is almost invisible in the 13 Nagler, but shows up as a dim but well defined tiny round patch of light in the 9mm or even the 5mm.
M42 Orion Nebula: Unfortunately I had a 20 day old Moon in the sky, but saw some nice nebulosity anyway. With the 5mm the Trapezium is nicely resolved. With the 9mm I could get strong hints of M43 in my averted vision.
M81/M82 Galaxies: M81 was rather easily seen with the 9 or 5mm, but I had too much Moon to get a good view of M82; almost, but no cigar! 
M67 Open Cluster "King Cobra:" Daylight was encroaching so I was surprised to catch this one, albeit very dim, as a roundish patch of light. It was still a good catch, my last for the sessions this week. I'll try again under better skies. 
Thanks for reading!
David E SV50 The Sparrowhawk.
-------------------- David E
If you keep a stack of old Orion catalogs in your bathroom, you might be an astro-redneck.
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johnnyha
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eXCELLENT!
-------------------- Johnny
Spicewood, TX
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Doug76
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I will be testing out my new 50mm, a Tasco 6TE, when I get back home. From the little use I've put it through so far, it's a real little gem. The Moon was outstanding through it, as was Jupiter at 86x.
I refinished it, removing those side blisters used to mount it on it's original yoke mount, and fill in the holes. Going to mount a dovetail to it so I came put it on my good mounts.
-------------------- Doug
Truckstop Astronomer
The Universe, the light of God, in all it's majesty
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1 apo refractor, 90mm
1 SCT, 8 inch
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bkruschwitz
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Wonderful report, David! Following your adventures on Stellarium makes me realize what an "all-nighter" you describe.
Thanks, Bob
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TONGKW
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I often use my Mini Borg 50 refractor (50 mm f/5 achromat) on a small guide mount and a photo tripod during travelling. The view is sharp when looking at the moon at up to 100x. The CA is minimal with a minus violet filter. But I have yet to find a good night to see if the double double can be split.
K W TONG
Telescopes: C8+CG-5GT, TSA102+HEQ5 PRO, MK67+Voyager, NexStar 6SE, C5+Mizar K, WO ZS80FD+Kenko NES, Megrez 72FD+Kenko KDS, Mini Borg 50, PST
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dlapoint
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cool report
-------------------- Derek
Orion 72mm Eon
Orion 100Ed (Back again)
C4.5
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Orion Planetary ep's 5-6mm
Antares 3 Element Barlow
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Patricko
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Outstanding David! I think these small scopes really sharpen our observing skills as we know that there is not a photon we can afford to waste.
-------------------- Clear skies,
Patrick
INTERNATIONAL DARK SKY ASSOCIATION
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"You can always have better, but will you ever be happy with what you have?" - Me, myself, and I
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SkyscraperJim
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Thanks for that great report.
I just got a mini-Borg 50mm f/10 that is waiting for the skies to clear. I needed a finder/guidescope for when I'm doing photography through my main scopes and figured the f/10 would also be a great little lunar and double star scope.
If all goes well, it will see first light tonight at the observatory.
-------------------- Jim
TMB/APM 130/780 (#185) on G11
TMB/APM/Lomo 80/600
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Swedpat
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Hi!
I consider to get a Stellarvue 50mm finderscope to use as a very small and portable telescope:
http://www.stellarvue.com/f50.html
Anyone who knows about the CA performance of this tube? I have three eyepieces who are listed in my signature below. I like the idea of a wide field low powered 7,7x50 90deg scope. But will this tube provide a good image without annoying CA using 10mm eyepiece and 20x?
5mm and 40x I understand will not be very good with an achromat of this short focallength.
Also I wonder if it's possible to remove the correct image prism and change it to a mirror? There are advantages and disadvanges of course; a correct image prism will make the scope to a good daytime spottingscope, but I know that a mirror will provide significantly sharper image.
Regards, Patric
-------------------- *2,3x40 Constellation View Wide-Bino
*Leupold 6x30 Yosemite
*Leupold Katmai 6x32
*Nikon Sporter I 8x36
*Swarovski SLCNew 7x42B
*Bresser (Lidl) 10x50
*Oberwerk 11x70
*Meade 5000 26mm Plössl, Vixen LV 10/5mm
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mikey cee
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Doug...That Tasco 6TE looks so much better. Nice job there. Mike
-------------------- 7x35 and 10x50 sears tower binocs, 3" f/10 edmunds reflector, 2.4" f/11.7 manon refractor, 6" f/8 jaegers refractor, "The 8 Ball" 8" f/13.3 brandt refractor, 3" f/15.8 sans&streiffe refractor, 3.1" f/15 selsi refractor(towa 339), 2.4" f/15 sears refractor, selsi 30x30mm spyglass, criterion 5-draw 25x45x75x spyglass(1957), 4.25" f/14.8 tasco 20te.
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TomN
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This makes me think I need to really appreciate the views in my larger refractors. I use my 66mm often and find the views very pleasing. But I tend to take for granted the larger aperture views. Gotta keep things in perspective... Tom
-------------------- Amateur Astronomer since 1962.
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nyc_nurse
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Quote:
I will be testing out my new 50mm, a Tasco 6TE, when I get back home. From the little use I've put it through so far, it's a real little gem. The Moon was outstanding through it, as was Jupiter at 86x. I refinished it, removing those side blisters used to mount it on it's original yoke mount, and fill in the holes. Going to mount a dovetail to it so I came put it on my good mounts.
Wow. Don't remember my Tasco looking anything close to that. But then again I guess Tasco's weren't built all the same. Weirdest thing, I remember my 60mm red Tasco was stopped down behind the objective to around 40ish. Your's sure looks pretty though.
David - great report. I added NGC3692 to my list of things to see tonight. Thanks!
-------------------- Sam P.
www.agirlandaguy.blogspot.com
Pentax 7X50
TV-102 APO w/ (Starbeam - on backorder )
Ash Gibraltar w/ SkyTour DSC
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David E
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Hi Patrik. The Stellarvue F50 has a simple F4 achromatic doublet (focal length 200mm). So as you suspect there's quite a bit of CA. For my deep space use, it virtually non-existant and in fact star colors are pretty and accurate at medium powers. I easily see violet fringing around the Moon. IMO there is too much violet fringing to perform well on Jupiter. Now the other scopes mentioned have either better glass or longer focal lengths and will perform much better on planets and the moon, at the expense of the "wide open views." To my knowledge there is no method of changeing the diagonal, the helical focuser is built into it. Because of the design of this scope, I doubt anyway that you would see any difference if a mirror diagonal could be used.
Your Vixen LV's will come to focus. The Meade 5K 26mm will vignette as it has too wide a field of view. The other Meade 5K Plossls will work, but I find the 5.5mm to be the best performer as the others are too soft at the edges for this scope. Out of the eyepiece's I've used, I recommend: Any "standard" 4-element Plossl 25mm or less. Meade 5000 series 5.5mm Plossl. 6 and 9mm Orion "Expanse" eyepieces (not the 15 or 20). Nagler Type 6 or Panoptics (best by far but of course very expensive). TMB Planetary's. Vixen LV's or NLV's. The Televue Powermate or Meade TeleXtender will work but most 2- or 3- element barlows will not reach focus.
Note that this F4 optic has noticeable field curvature, and for wide field eyepieces the Naglers correct for this the best that I have used.
Hope this helps.
-------------------- David E
If you keep a stack of old Orion catalogs in your bathroom, you might be an astro-redneck.
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David E
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Quote:
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I will be testing out my new 50mm, a Tasco 6TE, when I get back home. From the little use I've put it through so far, it's a real little gem. The Moon was outstanding through it, as was Jupiter at 86x. I refinished it, removing those side blisters used to mount it on it's original yoke mount, and fill in the holes. Going to mount a dovetail to it so I came put it on my good mounts.
Wow. Don't remember my Tasco looking anything close to that. But then again I guess Tasco's weren't built all the same. Weirdest thing, I remember my 60mm red Tasco was stopped down behind the objective to around 40ish. Your's sure looks pretty though.
David - great report. I added NGC3692 to my list of things to see tonight. Thanks!
Thanks Sam. That Tasco 6TE is an old Japanese made 50/600. I have one and can recommend it to anyone that finds one in good shape on the used market. It's actually my favorite scope to use on Venus as the small aperture produces little glare and there's no CA.
-------------------- David E
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David E
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Quote:
I often use my Mini Borg 50 refractor (50 mm f/5 achromat) on a small guide mount and a photo tripod during travelling. The view is sharp when looking at the moon at up to 100x. The CA is minimal with a minus violet filter. But I have yet to find a good night to see if the double double can be split.
K W TONG
Telescopes: C8+CG-5GT, TSA102+HEQ5 PRO, MK67+Voyager, NexStar 6SE, C5+Mizar K, WO ZS80FD+Kenko NES, Megrez 72FD+Kenko KDS, Mini Borg 50, PST
Great looking little scope ther K W! I'm thinking about getting a go-to mount for mine.
-------------------- David E
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David E
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Quote:
I will be testing out my new 50mm, a Tasco 6TE, when I get back home. From the little use I've put it through so far, it's a real little gem. The Moon was outstanding through it, as was Jupiter at 86x. I refinished it, removing those side blisters used to mount it on it's original yoke mount, and fill in the holes. Going to mount a dovetail to it so I came put it on my good mounts.
Doug, are those great little scopes or what! Excellent refinishing job too.
-------------------- David E
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David E
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Thanks everyone for all the replies. I had a lot of fun this week with my little Sparrowhawk!
-------------------- David E
If you keep a stack of old Orion catalogs in your bathroom, you might be an astro-redneck.
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starrancher
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Quote:
I will be testing out my new 50mm, a Tasco 6TE, when I get back home. From the little use I've put it through so far, it's a real little gem. The Moon was outstanding through it, as was Jupiter at 86x. I refinished it, removing those side blisters used to mount it on it's original yoke mount, and fill in the holes. Going to mount a dovetail to it so I came put it on my good mounts.
Doug , I have that same tube along with the tripod legs , yoke & a broken hub . Does anyone know where I might find the tripod hub so I can put this thing together ? Thanks Dave
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Swedpat
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David E,
Thank you for your answer!
According to what you say I understand that the size of the opening between prism and tube is too narrow to provide a full image with the 60deg AFOV of the 26mm Meade eyepiece.
Will a vixen LV 20mm with 50deg AFOV provide full FOV without vignetting? That would give 10x and 5deg TFOV, and it's also quite good.
One of the reasons this kind of scope attracts me is that a 90deg diagonal makes it much more comfortable for astronomical use than a binocular. Also I have slightly squinting eyes and can't make use of a stereoscopic view, so for the total light gathering I don't gain of a binocular compared to a monocular. Therefore I think I would get the optical performance of a very good binocular at a fraction of the price. And Stellarvue belongs to the best available finderscopes, I think?
Regards, Patric
-------------------- *2,3x40 Constellation View Wide-Bino
*Leupold 6x30 Yosemite
*Leupold Katmai 6x32
*Nikon Sporter I 8x36
*Swarovski SLCNew 7x42B
*Bresser (Lidl) 10x50
*Oberwerk 11x70
*Meade 5000 26mm Plössl, Vixen LV 10/5mm
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bsim
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Patric: I believe the clear aperture of the Stellarvue SV50 is around 21-22mm. My favorite EP is the Nagler 13T6. It's wonderful and I find the SV50 to be very useful as a nice wide-field scope.
Doug: Did you construct a metal tube and focuser for the GalileoScope objective?
For cheap 50mm fun, buy a Galileoscope. They're $20. It's a 50mm f/10 and produces wonderful images. You can fit a diagonal and they mount easily on anything. I had fun at a dark site. M33 and M31 looked nice.
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