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I found one telescope 127mm ED APO Refractor made in China , but I am afraid of lenses (is it really ED)and GOTO quality. The tube only cost about 950$ without mountand, and other accessories
The telescope produced by Hioptic. North group
Does any one having experience with that name?
If it compared to normal achromatic telescope with known manufacturer where you think the choice should go?
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Itz marcus
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Hi,
If looks mean anything it looks like the Meade 127mm triplet in which case several very favorable reviews have been written!
The price though is dirt cheap as these typically go for $2000.
Hope this helps
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I say it time and again - you get what you pay for. It is human nature to want to believe that you can get a fantastic product for next to nothing. The reality is that 99.9% of the time you are throwing away your money. These chinese optics are a perfect case in point. The 5" "apo's" that have recently been hitting the market in the $2,000 price range are certainly better corrected than most achromats but they are noticably not the industry leaders either and some suffer from constancy issues. Now you are talking about one for half that price? This does not even arouse my interest. It is WAY out of the expected price range for that size apo. Unless the Chinese have suddenly mastered the mass production have extremely precise optics, this scope is HIGHLY suspect.
If you want to gamble with $1,000 though - by all means buy this scope and give us a report. If it were me though, I would take the money to the casino - I think my odds would be better. 
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Ennis
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Actually....this very scope, from North Group, has received high praise from numerous amateur astronomers in Australia. Check out the "Ice In Space" forum. So, if you were to purchase this scope, you would probably be happy. HOWEVER, one can reasonably assume that, at this price point, it is a bit of a risk to purchase this scope from North Group. If you did have a problem, sending it back to China for repair/refund may be impractical. BTW, this is basically the same scope sold by Explore Scientific in the USA for $2000. For the extra bucks, one gets a higher order of quality control (or so I believe) and someone to call if a problem is encountered. I can personally vouch for the very fine customer service at Explore Scientific.
Ennis
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Edited by Ennis (11/06/09 08:40 AM)
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Mike C
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That looks identical to my Meade ED 127mm, which came with quality assurance from Meade Europe, owned apparently by Bresser. However, it was nowhere near that cheap but it did come with 50mm finder and 2" diagonal.
It's a great scope if you get a good copy, but I too would be wary of that low price (or jealous if it's a goodie!).
Regards.
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Mike Crowle
http://www.pbase.com/mcrowle/astrophotography
Meade Series 5000 ED Apo 127mm
Celestron C8 SCT (1991 model)
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Clive Gibbons
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Unless the Chinese have suddenly mastered the mass production have extremely precise optics, this scope is HIGHLY suspect.
The better Chinese optical factories now use computer-controlled grinding and polishing machines sourced from Germany. These are state-of-the-art.
However, to achieve the very highest level of optical performance (especially when making a triplet), the intervention of a master optician is still required.
That's why you won't see lenses with a Strehl of 0.99 coming out of China on a regular basis.
However, we've certainly seen more samples of value-priced Chinese apos with Strehls over 0.9 and quite a few in the mid 90's.
That's typically nice enough for the great majority of scope users, even folks who enjoy fine quality refractors.
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Eddgie
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My main concern with buying off brand items is that I always get the feeling that I may possibly getting rejected items (blems, or some flaw only detected late in the manufacturing process).
When you buy from a name brand company, the risk of this I think is less.
Even Televue sells Blem eyepieces. I have read (but do not know for sure) that they check EVERY eyepiece, and that they mark their blems and sell them at a discount at trade shows. Many people that buy these say that they themselves cannot SEE the problem, but Televue apparently did.
And think about how GOOD TVs vendor must be, but TV STILL finds blems!
So, when you buy a clone scope, my gut feeling is always that it MIGHT be a deal where the scope didn't pass muster for the brand that buys that design.
Or, maybe not. Maybe it is just snatched off of the end of the line and put in a generic box and sold to X, Y, or Z company, or sold directly.
The cost of MAKING these is not all that much probably. A lot of what you are paying for is marketing and a lot of other general business overhead. A Chinese direct seller doesn't have a lot of these expenses.
The REAL problem is that you simply don't KNOW!
My bet though? If it comes with some warrentee that allows you to return it for a REFUND, chances are that the scope will be of sufficent quality as to be close enough to make the discount well worth it.
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lightfever
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Eddgie nice post, I think you made a great point.
You don't know if this is a scope that was not up to the standards set by a reseller like "Explore Scientific" or it was taken off the line and simply bypassed the reseller chain.
In the first case you get what you pay for, in the second case you get a good deal but no real prospect of good service if a problem were to arise.
You take your chances, but if there are good reports from Australia who knows, it may be a deal.
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DLB242
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I found one telescope 127mm ED APO Refractor made in China , but I am afraid of lenses (is it really ED)and GOTO quality. The tube only cost about 950$ without mountand, and other accessories
The telescope produced by Hioptic. North group
Does any one having experience with that name?
If it compared to normal achromatic telescope with known manufacturer where you think the choice should go?
Thanks
You give no location. Are those US dollars?
We have had good reports about the ES127ED and I would consider one for the $2000 or so price they are being sold for. I don't know if I would feel comfortable though buying this scope direct from China with no local company to stand behind it if there was a problem. 
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6" f/8 DOB
Celestron C8
Antares 1529 6" f/6.5 MoonLite Focuser
Orion ShortTube 130mm f/5 Reflector
Stellarvue SV102BV f/8.7 LOMO Doublet APO
Stellarvue SV90T f/7 Fluorite
Synta ShortTube 80
Stellarvue SV70ED
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It is more economical to sell a reject at a deep discount then to throw it away.
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Clive Gibbons
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One person's experience.  
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skybsd
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Why is it that folks around here find it so easy to look at a photo, figure that the thing in the picture appears to be similar to another scope they know, and presume to be in a position to advise?
Regards,
skybsd
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ken svp120
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Why is it that folks around here find it so easy to look at a photo, figure that the thing in the picture appears to be similar to another scope they know, and presume to be in a position to advise?
Regards,
skybsd
That's a pretty good point, but one thing to keep in mind - especially with these scopes being made in the east, is that they will make one particular design and it may then be branded and sold by numerous different companies such as Meade, Orion, Celestron, ES, etc... So to infer that a scope is a particular one based on simply seeing a picture of it may not be horribly out of line. I still agree with you in large part but all I guess I'm trying to say is that making this assumption might not be as big a leap as it seems. I'm open to reconsidering that notion though...
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Orion SkyviewPro Mount, Single Axis Drive
Losmandy G11 Mount, Non-Gemini
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ken svp120
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Actually....this very scope, from North Group, has received high praise from numerous amateur astronomers in Australia. Check out the "Ice In Space" forum. So, if you were to purchase this scope, you would probably be happy. HOWEVER, one can reasonably assume that, at this price point, it is a bit of a risk to purchase this scope from North Group. If you did have a problem, sending it back to China for repair/refund may be impractical. BTW, this is basically the same scope sold by Explore Scientific in the USA for $2000. For the extra bucks, one gets a higher order of quality control (or so I believe) and someone to call if a problem is encountered. I can personally vouch for the very fine customer service at Explore Scientific.
Ennis
Sky-Watcher Pro 120ED
35 Panoptic
Several Radians and Stratuses
Would you please provide links to those threads?
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Orion SkyviewPro Mount, Single Axis Drive
Losmandy G11 Mount, Non-Gemini
TEC 140 Apochromat #300
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DLB242
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It is more economical to sell a reject at a deep discount then to throw it away.
I bought a few "Seconds" from Orion over the years so I don't have a problem with the concept. If you know the product is less than perfect and you are willing to accept this it is one thing. The OP does not indicate this $950 offering is anything other than new.
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Edited by DLB242 (11/06/09 05:09 PM)
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DLB242
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Why is it that folks around here find it so easy to look at a photo, figure that the thing in the picture appears to be similar to another scope they know, and presume to be in a position to advise?
Regards,
skybsd
Taking a second look at the picture posted by the OP the scope does look a bit shorter than the photo of the ES 127ED on the Explore Scientific site.
http://explorescientific.com/telescopes/127mm_ed_apo.html
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David B
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Celestron C8
Antares 1529 6" f/6.5 MoonLite Focuser
Orion ShortTube 130mm f/5 Reflector
Stellarvue SV102BV f/8.7 LOMO Doublet APO
Stellarvue SV90T f/7 Fluorite
Synta ShortTube 80
Stellarvue SV70ED
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Mike C
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That's due to the retractable dewhood being in the retracted position. Other similar models have a detachable rather than retractable dew hood.
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http://www.pbase.com/mcrowle/astrophotography
Meade Series 5000 ED Apo 127mm
Celestron C8 SCT (1991 model)
Losmandy G-11; Vixen Super Polaris
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DLB242
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That's due to the retractable dewhood being in the retracted position. Other similar models have a detachable rather than retractable dew hood.
Does your Meade have a retractable dew shield?
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David B
10" f/5 DOB
6" f/8 DOB
Celestron C8
Antares 1529 6" f/6.5 MoonLite Focuser
Orion ShortTube 130mm f/5 Reflector
Stellarvue SV102BV f/8.7 LOMO Doublet APO
Stellarvue SV90T f/7 Fluorite
Synta ShortTube 80
Stellarvue SV70ED
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Don't buy unless you are certain you can send it back and get a refund. If there is any significant optical error you will not be happy. Each telescope has it's own unique lens that can't be evaluated from a picture of the telescope.
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Mike C
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Quote:
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That's due to the retractable dewhood being in the retracted position. Other similar models have a detachable rather than retractable dew hood.
Does your Meade have a retractable dew shield?
Yes, it does.
Regards.
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http://www.pbase.com/mcrowle/astrophotography
Meade Series 5000 ED Apo 127mm
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WarrenS
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Most of these 127 triplets on the market to date have the retractable sliding dewshield as does my 1 1/2 year old "Astro-Tech/Meade". As far as I can tell, Explore Scientific 127 triplets were the first to use a reversible dewshield. Whether all these scopes going forward under other brand names will have reversible dewshields someone else needs to answer that question.
Regarding the low price, last year on the Austrailian astro site, posters were talking about how they ordered directly from the factory in China and did get decent scopes while saving big bucks. Not something I would do, but to each his own.
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Astro-Tech 127EDT
Celestron Onyx 80ED
Astro-Tech Field Flattener
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Ennis
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Actually....this very scope, from North Group, has received high praise from numerous amateur astronomers in Australia. Check out the "Ice In Space" forum. So, if you were to purchase this scope, you would probably be happy. HOWEVER, one can reasonably assume that, at this price point, it is a bit of a risk to purchase this scope from North Group. If you did have a problem, sending it back to China for repair/refund may be impractical. BTW, this is basically the same scope sold by Explore Scientific in the USA for $2000. For the extra bucks, one gets a higher order of quality control (or so I believe) and someone to call if a problem is encountered. I can personally vouch for the very fine customer service at Explore Scientific.
Ennis
Sky-Watcher Pro 120ED
35 Panoptic
Several Radians and Stratuses
Would you please provide links to those threads?
I no longer have the links to those threads, but they're there. You can look for them, if you're interested. If you cannot find them, then post a new thread there. You will get plenty of responses. I did when I posted questions about the 127ED.
The Australians are very helpful, friendly, and polite.
Ennis
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DLB242
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Most of these 127 triplets on the market to date have the retractable sliding dewshield as does my 1 1/2 year old "Astro-Tech/Meade". As far as I can tell, Explore Scientific 127 triplets were the first to use a reversible dewshield. Whether all these scopes going forward under other brand names will have reversible dewshields someone else needs to answer that question.
Regarding the low price, last year on the Austrailian astro site, posters were talking about how they ordered directly from the factory in China and did get decent scopes while saving big bucks. Not something I would do, but to each his own.
I asked the OP about location I am wondering if he is outside the US because the $ is after the 950 not in front like in the States.
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David B
10" f/5 DOB
6" f/8 DOB
Celestron C8
Antares 1529 6" f/6.5 MoonLite Focuser
Orion ShortTube 130mm f/5 Reflector
Stellarvue SV102BV f/8.7 LOMO Doublet APO
Stellarvue SV90T f/7 Fluorite
Synta ShortTube 80
Stellarvue SV70ED
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WarrenS
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Why is it that folks around here find it so easy to look at a photo, figure that the thing in the picture appears to be similar to another scope they know, and presume to be in a position to advise?
Regards,
skybsd
Many here are "equipment junkies" I would surmise. There are only so many Chinese built 127mm triplets with blue trim floating around. The scope in the OP's photo is 100% identical to my Astro-Tech (made originally for Meade)and identical to the photos of Meade 127 triplets posted here. Same manufacturer, same scope. Follow the refractor forum long enough and closely enough and you'll easily spot enough commonality in equipment. Various marketing brands are made by a handful of factories.
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Warren
Astro-Tech 127EDT
Celestron Onyx 80ED
Astro-Tech Field Flattener
C8 (circa 1983 Orange Tube)
Atlas EQ-G, Orion SSAG
Canon 135mm F2.8
Canon 40D, Astronomik CLS clip filter
Leica, Minolta binos
Edited by WarrenS (11/06/09 06:58 PM)
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Bratman2
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I checked on a Maxvision 127mm a couple of years ago through a coworker that travels to China on a regular basis. My cost was going to be about $1500.00 plus any charge to bring the scope back to the US (customs). I decided that if I had any issue how would I get it corrected. Was not worth the risk to me. I had wrongly thought that maybe they would be sub $1000 in China. That was a couple of years ago so things may have changed.
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skybsd
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Hello Warren,
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Many here are "equipment junkies" I would surmise. There are only so many Chinese built 127mm triplets with blue trim floating around. The scope in the OP's photo is 100% identical to my Astro-Tech (made originally for Meade)and identical to the photos of Meade 127 triplets posted here. Same manufacturer, same scope. Follow the refractor forum long enough and closely enough and you'll easily spot enough commonality in equipment. Various marketing brands are made by a handful of factories.
See.., this is where things get kinda funny.
I am quite aware of the almost "family" tree of M.I.C.'d telescope and optical components that are floating around in the various guises.
So whilst I see your point - at the same time, many would also get into (zealous, even) emotional exchanges where the samples in question center on whether or not scopes and accessories sold elsewhere, under various names are actually the same products as "certain other" named scopes and accessories.
Thus, one is left with the impression that there are some names to which the same logic of "looks like, smells like" does not apply?
Thanks.
Regards,
skybsd
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Kal
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It's not always speculation skybsd, sometimes you get to see some factory pics which pretty much confirm what is suspected. I quick search finds these pics which show Maxvision and Meade products being built in the Kunming Jinghau factory. I've seen the meade 127 triplets in some shots side by side with the Maxvsion equivalents somewhere else in the past as well.
(warning, lots of pics in link)
link
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Thanks Guys for you usful and valid Participation.
Regarding location it is outside US, but the price are in US dollars.
AT home i dont have local supplier for telescopes, so for me it is the same process if i order it from US or any other place.
Which made me think about that telescope is that i have read in one forum under the title of (WHERE TELESCOPE COME FROM) that most of it are manufactored in China
offcourse under special specification .Then i got the idea since the price in really incuraging let me take shotcut and get it directly from china.But really i am afraid of optics quality. if it is bad then no matter how much it is cheap
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As per the manufactorer
the tube length of ED127 is 90cm including our dual speed focuser.
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Quote:
It's not always speculation skybsd, sometimes you get to see some factory pics which pretty much confirm what is suspected. I quick search finds these pics which show Maxvision and Meade products being built in the Kunming Jinghau factory. I've seen the meade 127 triplets in some shots side by side with the Maxvsion equivalents somewhere else in the past as well.
(warning, lots of pics in link)
link
Here's a translated version of his link.
Not for nothing, but from that Ice in space thread regarding direct purchase. I followed that thread to the end. Those guys received the EXACT same scope that Meade Europe is selling in the UK. Also sold under a few other brand names engraved, or silk screened on the OTA somewhere.
The main difference, was that the scope purchased had no branding, and the optical quality seemed to be as good, if not equal to, the branded ones.. Not one complaint from anyone who bought direct that I've been able to find.
BTW, direct cost for that OTA shipped is under 1,200 USD FOB, door to door, one piece only.
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jerr
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Hello All,
I observed this thread for a while and decided to take a risk. I ordered ED127APO today with bunch of extras. Apart of the scope I decided to try UWA EPs of 80 and 82deg.
I could not refuse when I saw their price...
Will write an update once will get the scope.
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jerr
8" Celestron CPC 800
6" Discovery f5 Newtonian EQ3
APO 127 ED
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Looking forward to your report. I think you'll be very happy with the scope. I have the same one (different importer) and am very happy.
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Warren
Astro-Tech 127EDT
Celestron Onyx 80ED
Astro-Tech Field Flattener
C8 (circa 1983 Orange Tube)
Atlas EQ-G, Orion SSAG
Canon 135mm F2.8
Canon 40D, Astronomik CLS clip filter
Leica, Minolta binos
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Most of these 127 triplets on the market to date have the retractable sliding dewshield as does my 1 1/2 year old "Astro-Tech/Meade". As far as I can tell, Explore Scientific 127 triplets were the first to use a reversible dewshield.
Can someone explain a reversable dew shield?
Not sure I have ever seen one.
Thanks
Steve
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Meade 127ED
Antares 152
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Coulter Odyssey 8
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jerr
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My first APO has just arrived today.
Very well packed indeed.
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jerr
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6" Discovery f5 Newtonian EQ3
APO 127 ED
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One more pic...
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...and one more...
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APO 127 ED
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heavy duty case is high quality
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jerr
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and so is the scope!
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jerr
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One last view into the lens. There will be no first light tonight. Cloudy weather is forecasted for next two weeks or so...
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jerr
8" Celestron CPC 800
6" Discovery f5 Newtonian EQ3
APO 127 ED
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Gary
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Happy for you, jerr. I hope you enjoy your new scope.
CS
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carlcat
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congrats on your new scope.........enjoy. Curious tho, are those traditional baffles or something new?
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Scott Beith
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That is a pretty scope!
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BrianFitz
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Yep, the scope looks terrific. Jerr, keep us informed on your first light, and how it tests for you.
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noah way
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I say it time and again - you get what you pay for.
Yes and no. Powermatic machinery is exactly the as Grizzly machinery. They are made in the same factory and painted different colors. The service chains are equivalent. The only difference is the price, add 25-30% for Powermatic.
When it comes to optics, it may not be so cut and dried.
Edited by noah way (11/21/09 11:09 PM)
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noah way
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interesting link:
Where Telescopes Come From
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BCB
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That dewshield look TOTALLY different!!! Where the dewshield connects to the OTA. That part on the Meades, and Maxvisions has a taper w/ 2 groove sliding ring. I can't see the focuser end clearly enough to see if there's any differences there..
The face of the cell has the same markings as the Meades and Maxvisions though.
Can you post brigter, larger pics o the dew shield area, and focuser??
Looks like a great scope.. You first light it yet ?
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jerr
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In fact dewshield may look different than Meade or ES. My camera challenges me taking sound pictures but here is the one that should clear uncertain.
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jerr
8" Celestron CPC 800
6" Discovery f5 Newtonian EQ3
APO 127 ED
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jerr
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This is how it looks from other end.
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jerr
8" Celestron CPC 800
6" Discovery f5 Newtonian EQ3
APO 127 ED
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jerr
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And now when assambling it in a right way.
Mistery solved. The scope looks now just like Meade and ES.
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jerr
8" Celestron CPC 800
6" Discovery f5 Newtonian EQ3
APO 127 ED
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jerr
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Picture of the focuser is still bit dark but shows more details now.
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jerr
8" Celestron CPC 800
6" Discovery f5 Newtonian EQ3
APO 127 ED
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jerr
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And last but not least if there is any question mark left...
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jerr
8" Celestron CPC 800
6" Discovery f5 Newtonian EQ3
APO 127 ED
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stevew
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Jerr, I think you have cleared up all the questions of your new telescopes heritage. No matter where it came from, It's beautiful.
Please let us know wen you get it under the stars.
Steve
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Meade 127ED
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Ennis
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And last but not least if there is any question mark left...
Did that Explore Scientific eyepiece come with your telescope????
Ennis
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jerr
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This is a finderscope. Telescope comes as an OTA. You buy this as an extra from the same source.
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jerr
8" Celestron CPC 800
6" Discovery f5 Newtonian EQ3
APO 127 ED
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Ennis
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This is a finderscope. Telescope comes as an OTA. You buy this as an extra from the same source.
Ahhhh. Very interesting....
Thank you.
Ennis
P.S. Please let us know how you get on with the telescope. I think that you will like it a lot.
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niteskystargazer
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Jerr,
You got one beautiful scope  .
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Tom
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BajaPaco
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A thing of beauty to be savored regardless of the views.
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Texas
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Could you post a link where you found the scope?
TIA
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jimguy08
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I posted this on the ES 127 vs Eon 120 thread a few days ago:
Received today (11/18/09)-Quote from North Group in China (hioptic@gmail.com). This is the business from whom the Aussies are buying as posted in IceInSpace:
"ED127 with advanced dual speed focuser for camera, OTA,
with ring and dovetail rail,
with aluminum case package,
without diagonal,eyepiece,finder scope.
USD935"
Shipping to midwest USA was quoted as $185.
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Celestron C102F Flourite w/Moonlite focuser
Orion 80ED w/Moonlite focuser
Astro-Tech AT66 Guidescope
Atlas EQ-G Bluetooth enabled
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jerr
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Here is a link:
http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/northgroup/product-listAqsmUjdxJJVT/Telescope-catalog-1.html
There is no pricing shown on the site. You need to inquire for the equipment you are after. A response will come from Gilman. You may save some time reaching to her/him directly at gilman@northgroup.cn.
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jerr
8" Celestron CPC 800
6" Discovery f5 Newtonian EQ3
APO 127 ED
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mikey cee
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Just what the doc ordered. Buying telescopes from a condom mould fabricator!  
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noah way
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Buying telescopes from a condom mould fabricator!
Short Tubes?
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carlcat
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Quote:
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Buying telescopes from a condom mould fabricator!
Short Tubes?
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Tim Gilliland
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Quote:
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Buying telescopes from a condom mould fabricator!
Short Tubes?
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jerr
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That is for sure - one size does not fit all
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jerr
8" Celestron CPC 800
6" Discovery f5 Newtonian EQ3
APO 127 ED
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