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The Ardent
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Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new [Re: Paul G]
      #4915684 - 11/14/11 02:56 PM

Someone buys a Harley or BMW (or any luxury brand car) and no one says a thing.

Spend money on a fine telescope - outrage, shock, disbelief.


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John Kuhl
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Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new [Re: The Ardent]
      #4915861 - 11/14/11 04:35 PM


It is like buying a really nice old car. Say a original Cobra for over a millon dollars. Or say a simple painting by someone with a fancy name like Picasso. Is it worth it? However when it comes to refractor telescopes, Roland of AP fame is right in there. So yes I would say it is worth it.

Best, John


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APM M.Ludes
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Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new [Re: skyward_eyes]
      #4915867 - 11/14/11 04:39 PM

Hi Kevin

early 90th's I bought from Tom Dobbins a 9"F/11 or F/12 Astro-Physics triplet oilspacest or cemented apo. Later on I sold it again, but I do not remember to whom and where


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APM M.Ludes
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Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new [Re: Mark9473]
      #4915876 - 11/14/11 04:43 PM

Hi Mark

the Zeiss 110 I offer is a antique Instruments from around 1915 with a history, 60 years work at the University of Amsterdam and a 2 years full restauration.

the details in this scope with mount poer and accessories you cannot describe, but any company today who would be able to make excactly this things again, would charge you far over $ 100,000 for shure


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APM M.Ludes
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Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #4915879 - 11/14/11 04:44 PM

Hi Jim

did not received your order yet , you need my email adrese again ?

:-)


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TPMack
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Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4916025 - 11/14/11 05:58 PM

Markus,
I still have your ad for this scope from Starry Messenger because it also included the 10" TEC I bought from you. It is an F/11 scope and you were asking $11K for it.

Tom Mack


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Paul G
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Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new [Re: The Ardent]
      #4916059 - 11/14/11 06:19 PM

Quote:

Someone buys a Harley or BMW (or any luxury brand car) and no one says a thing.

Spend money on a fine telescope - outrage, shock, disbelief.




Yeah, doesn't make much sense. The scope will appreciate in value, the BMW will eventually be worth nothing. Compared to the decade old piece of burnt toast vaguely resembling the Virgin Mary that sold for $28,000, that 8" EDF at $100K is a steal!


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mikey cee
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Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4916088 - 11/14/11 06:32 PM

Quote:

Hi Kevin

early 90th's I bought from Tom Dobbins a 9"F/11 or F/12 Astro-Physics triplet oilspacest or cemented apo. Later on I sold it again, but I do not remember to whom and where


You don't keep written records?? Mike

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Alph
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Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new [Re: David Pavlich]
      #4916145 - 11/14/11 07:12 PM

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Some of the stuff Tony Hallas did with his 8" AP is phenomenal.



He put it out for sale few months ago for $48,000. Did you guys miss out on that bargain?


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Jeff B
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Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4916166 - 11/14/11 07:21 PM

Quote:

Hi Kevin

early 90th's I bought from Tom Dobbins a 9"F/11 or F/12 Astro-Physics triplet oilspacest or cemented apo. Later on I sold it again, but I do not remember to whom and where




Roland made several "one-offs". He made a 7" F15 lens/cell for me (never, EVER, should have sold that lens) with "NASA Glass".

Also, talking to Roland in the early to mid 80's he told me he produced a 10" F12 for, I believe, some well-to-do doctor in Michigan using NASA glass. It was a scaled version of the 5" F6 in terms of color correction but had significantly better spherochromatism than the 5" F6. He said it was a real PIA as well to make and he'd never do it again.

Jeff


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idealistic
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Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new [Re: Paul G]
      #4916527 - 11/14/11 11:40 PM

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Compared to the decade old piece of burnt toast vaguely resembling the Virgin Mary that sold for $28,000, that 8" EDF at $100K is a steal!




The scope in question is a work of art. Its rarity is what determines the premium. If I had 35K to throw around Id prefer a 7" AP to something Id hang on my wall.

Edit: removed content potentially offensive to Christians, Jackson Pollock fans, and the French.

Edited by idealistic (11/15/11 05:36 PM)


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APM M.Ludes
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Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new [Re: mikey cee]
      #4917077 - 11/15/11 11:34 AM

Hi Mike

by Goverment law we must keep all paper work in stock for 10 years, any idea how much mess that is ?

No after 10 years we shoot it away, otherwise we must rent a building to store paperwork only :-)


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rwiederrich
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Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new [Re: Jeff B]
      #4917097 - 11/15/11 11:48 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Hi Kevin

early 90th's I bought from Tom Dobbins a 9"F/11 or F/12 Astro-Physics triplet oilspacest or cemented apo. Later on I sold it again, but I do not remember to whom and where




Roland made several "one-offs". He made a 7" F15 lens/cell for me (never, EVER, should have sold that lens) with "NASA Glass".

Also, talking to Roland in the early to mid 80's he told me he produced a 10" F12 for, I believe, some well-to-do doctor in Michigan using NASA glass. It was a scaled version of the 5" F6 in terms of color correction but had significantly better spherochromatism than the 5" F6. He said it was a real PIA as well to make and he'd never do it again.

Jeff





All I got is *Onesy's and One-Off's*.....I might be the luckiest fellow alive.... .

45K for a single scope? People buy stamps for more then that... I could never be that fortunate.

Rob


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Nimbus42
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Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new [Re: rwiederrich]
      #4917177 - 11/15/11 12:29 PM

OT: about stamp collecting, this story from the UK Royal Family website
http://www.royal.gov.uk/The%20Royal%20Collection%20and%20other%20collections/TheRoyalPhilatelicCollection/History.aspx

"The 1d was bought from the Earl of Kintore's collection, while the unused Two Pence 'Post Office' Mauritius was acquired at auction in 1904 for a then-record price of £1,450.

A courtier asked the Prince if he had seen that "some damned fool had paid as much as 1400 pounds for one stamp". "Yes," came the reply. "I was that damned fool!"

If you can afford 35K for a scope, then power to you
Wish I were so fortunate.
And Markus, I take it you bring some papers home every week to burn it in the stove


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blueman
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Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new [Re: Alph]
      #4917240 - 11/15/11 01:04 PM

A friend of mine bought that scope and we both image togther sometimes. It is a great scope, but quite heavy on the nose and it takes two to mount it safely. The scope is a one of a kind of course.
Blueman
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Quote:

Some of the stuff Tony Hallas did with his 8" AP is phenomenal.



He put it out for sale few months ago for $48,000. Did you guys miss out on that bargain?




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blueman
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Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new [Re: rwiederrich]
      #4917244 - 11/15/11 01:08 PM

Ahh, I see, for some reason I thought it was the larger scope.
Blueman
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Hmm, I thought your dad made that scope?
Blueman
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Good night nurse! 18k~30k for a single telescope and nothing more.....

I made a package deal....my 10"f/15 to include all three spotters(5"f/9, 80mm f/15.6, and a 50mm f/5) custom spotter mounts..an electrical helical focuser(1.25")for Eps. Massive 4" shaft mount with 12" drive gears...and its 8ft 3 sided steel pier. The whole package for 25K...and guess what...it's been on the market for 1.5 years and no serious offers. I guess folks want to spend loads of their money on a smaller scope, then have to spend just as much on a good mount and pier.

Oh well.....I get to be the one to use it then.

It's hard to sell anything not made by a manufacturer..even if it's well made. I'm keepen it then.

Rob







No Blue...he made my 6"f/15 and all its goodies..not the 10"f/15 and all of its. I'm never selling the 6"f/15...besides that one is insured for over 70K...though it's probably priceless as far as I'm concerned.

Rob




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AZStarGuy
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Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new [Re: blueman]
      #4921654 - 11/17/11 09:15 PM

It you have the cash and a bug for Astro Physics equipment - $35k is probably the deal to jump on. You could wait a lifetime for another one like it to come up for sale.

If AP doesn't make your blood rush and/or $35k requires a quart of tequila and a defibulator - run!


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hottr6
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Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new [Re: skyward_eyes]
      #4922652 - 11/18/11 01:02 PM

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With only about a dozen ever made it is truly one of the most coveted scopes for AP collectors.



You hit the nail on the head: Specifically, the word collectors.

Looking at the silly money some folk sink into high-end optics and eyepieces, I'd say many folk on this forum spend more time looking at their equipment than through them.


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Astrojensen
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Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new [Re: hottr6]
      #4922656 - 11/18/11 01:04 PM

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I'd say many folk on this forum spend more time looking at their equipment than through them.




Given the abysmal weather many of us must endure, this hardly comes as a surprise.


Clear skies!
Thomas, Denmark


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Paul G
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Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new [Re: hottr6]
      #4922865 - 11/18/11 02:44 PM

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Looking at the silly money some folk sink into high-end optics and eyepieces, I'd say many folk on this forum spend more time looking at their equipment than through them.




Easy to say when you live in NM! My brother lives in AZ, has literally three times as many clear nights per year as where I live. Color me jealous!


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