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bobmarleyou812
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Side by side or stacked for refractors?
      #5631719 - 01/19/13 03:05 PM

Curious to see what the preference is for refractors. I have my TV85 and ST80 mounted side by side and I like it enough, but I can also stack the ST80 on top of the TV85 guide scope style. Which do you prefer?

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DaveJ
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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: bobmarleyou812]
      #5631733 - 01/19/13 03:14 PM Attachment (66 downloads)

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Curious to see what the preference is for refractors. I have my TV85 and ST80 mounted side by side and I like it enough, but I can also stack the ST80 on top of the TV85 guide scope style. Which do you prefer?




Personally, I prefer side-by-side for visual as shown in this photo.


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Bill Cowles
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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: DaveJ]
      #5631775 - 01/19/13 03:36 PM

Fantastic Solar setup!

Bill


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DaveJ
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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: Bill Cowles]
      #5631950 - 01/19/13 05:53 PM

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Fantastic Solar setup!




Thanks, Bill. I've been a solar observer since the summer of 1961 when I got a Hershel Wedge from Edmund Scientific for my then year-old 4.25" Palomar Jr. reflector. It was a replacement for the stalk-mounted secondary. I still have both the scope and that Herschel Wedge but it doesn't get a lot of use any more with the newer stuff taking center stage. I use this for outreach, often with binoviewers, too. The side-by-side setup along with the Vixen zoom eyepieces (as shown) allow H-alpha and white-light views to match exactly. It's interesting to see the H-a activity around the sunspot groups. Back to the original posters question - the side-by-side is the way to go for this setup since over-under wouldn't work real well for this purpose.


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bobmarleyou812
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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: Bill Cowles]
      #5632043 - 01/19/13 07:05 PM

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Fantastic Solar setup!

Bill




Yes - great setup there!


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MikeBOKC
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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: bobmarleyou812]
      #5632050 - 01/19/13 07:07 PM Attachment (34 downloads)

Side by side for solar yes -- TMB92L and PST:

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MikeBOKC
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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: MikeBOKC]
      #5632053 - 01/19/13 07:08 PM Attachment (25 downloads)

Another view:

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rigel123
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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: MikeBOKC]
      #5632334 - 01/19/13 10:19 PM Attachment (33 downloads)

Another side by side, my Lunt LS60T and ED80T set up for white light viewing.

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steven40
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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: bobmarleyou812]
      #5632437 - 01/19/13 11:31 PM Attachment (47 downloads)

Here's how I do it.

Steve


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bobmarleyou812
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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: steven40]
      #5633501 - 01/20/13 04:20 PM Attachment (32 downloads)

Some nice setups here, thanks for sharing.

Here is a shot of my side by side. When I'm imaging I put an eyepiece in the ST80...not guiding yet.

I extended the dewshield to show the full size difference between the TV85 and the ST80.

Edited by bobmarleyou812 (01/20/13 04:23 PM)


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BarrySimon615
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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: bobmarleyou812]
      #5634762 - 01/21/13 11:36 AM Attachment (45 downloads)

You could do it both ways......times 3 or 4!

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t.r.
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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: BarrySimon615]
      #5634771 - 01/21/13 11:40 AM

Holy schnikes !?!?!

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Jarno
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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: BarrySimon615]
      #5634832 - 01/21/13 12:13 PM

I'm guessing that's your grab 'n go setup?

Jarno


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mikey cee
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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: BarrySimon615]
      #5635464 - 01/21/13 06:06 PM

Barry are you sure there is enough light source to share?? Mike

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Spyke
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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: mikey cee]
      #5635503 - 01/21/13 06:34 PM

Side by side for me too...



Ant


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Spyke
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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: Spyke]
      #5635512 - 01/21/13 06:36 PM

NB that's an old pic - both those scopes have been replaced now!

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Aquarist
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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: Spyke]
      #5635562 - 01/21/13 07:15 PM

I prefer side by side since one is a solar scope (Lunt) and the other is for night time activities as well as the sun in white light.

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mattyfatz
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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: BarrySimon615]
      #5636044 - 01/22/13 12:46 AM

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You could do it both ways......times 3 or 4!



Barry,
That's a neat setup. I'm curious to learn more about it. What sort of mount is that and what's its capacity? Do all those scopes point at the same thing? Can you make adjustments to allignment the scopes on the same target?
What is the hardware underneath?

Thanks


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Sky Captain
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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: bobmarleyou812]
      #5636169 - 01/22/13 03:03 AM Attachment (20 downloads)

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Which do you prefer?




Which ever way gets them on the mount....for a photo.


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FoxTrot
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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: Sky Captain]
      #5636182 - 01/22/13 03:19 AM

Barry, SkyCapt, you guys are just bragging now...! Fox

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Tophat3
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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: FoxTrot]
      #5636226 - 01/22/13 04:43 AM

+10 on that! I think I just had a stroke!! I've never seen anything like that.Even in my dreams!!

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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: FoxTrot]
      #5636259 - 01/22/13 05:46 AM

With some Photoshop skills, you can do even better guys

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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: bobmarleyou812]
      #5636289 - 01/22/13 06:30 AM

How about these ?





I designed and manufactured this side by side system myself. Very easy to balance and very versatile. The bar is 25" long.











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Ain Soph Aur
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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: DaveJ]
      #5636309 - 01/22/13 07:06 AM

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Personally, I prefer side-by-side for visual as shown in this photo.




Hi Dave. How do align the two scopes with your set-up?


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smee
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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: FoxTrot]
      #5636413 - 01/22/13 08:54 AM

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Barry, SkyCapt, you guys are just bragging now...! Fox




Or maybe they are pretty handy with Photoshop!


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BarrySimon615
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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: mattyfatz]
      #5636428 - 01/22/13 09:02 AM Attachment (15 downloads)

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Quote:

You could do it both ways......times 3 or 4!



Barry,
That's a neat setup. I'm curious to learn more about it. What sort of mount is that and what's its capacity? Do all those scopes point at the same thing? Can you make adjustments to allignment the scopes on the same target?
What is the hardware underneath?

Thanks




Not mine, somebody sent me that picture and it has been in my files for several years. Obviously most of the scopes and the mount appear to be made by William Optics.

In respect to the question asked. I have mounted stuff both ways, side by side and piggyback. Both have their balance challenges. If piggyback you are adding still additional weight even further away from the RA rotational axis requiring even more weight.

The picture below is of my Brandon 130mm f/8 apo which was in my possession from 1992 to 2005. I was the second owner of the tube assembly which you see mounted on a Losmandy G11 (one of the first purchased in 1992). I added the 3" guide scope which I built from Unitron parts. Also pictured on this setup is a "rich-field" 60 mm scope as well as the Brandon 40 mm finder (Brandon sourced their component parts - cells, focusers, tubes, fittings from the same source that supplied Unitron). The two tubes that I put together (the 3" photo-guide scope and the 60mm rich field were painted with Rustoleum "Harbor Blue" which is a close match. Total payload weight was 33 lbs. This and the fairly long moment arm really tended to push the G11 mount close to it's limit, not over it, but close to it.

Since I sold the scope in 2005 I believe it has had at least two more owners.

Barry Simon


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DaveJ
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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: Ain Soph Aur]
      #5636515 - 01/22/13 09:55 AM

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Quote:

Personally, I prefer side-by-side for visual as shown in this photo.




Hi Dave. How do align the two scopes with your set-up?




Hi Brandon,

The alignment of the two 'scopes as shown in that photo posted above was pretty darned close. I cut thin pieces of packaging plastic into rectangular pieces and experimented by placing a couple of them between the bottom edge of the front rings and dovetail rail of the 102 refractor. I got the alignment almost perfect and was quite happy with myself. After the scopes moved to the opposite side of the mount, the alignment wasn't as perfect so I went back to the drawing board and wound up replacing the rings with these. Perfect alignment is now as easy as adjusting a 50mm finder to its OTA. I intend to get another photo the next time I'm out, but the weather in NE Ohio isn't exactly solar-viewing-friendly at the moment. One will follow, I promise.


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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: DaveJ]
      #5636620 - 01/22/13 10:43 AM

That Brandon stack was a beautiful set-up!

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Jim Curry
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Re: Side by side or stacked for refractors? new [Re: Sky Captain]
      #5638314 - 01/23/13 06:59 AM

Kerry:
I've always admired a well stacked scope!

Jim


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