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NotThePainter
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I know I've seen a thread here about astro-trailers, one where you can both store your stuff and then tow it to your dark site. But for the life of me I can't find it. Did anyone bookmark that thread? Thanks.
Paul
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BluewaterObserva
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Pier tech makes one....
http://www.pier-tech.com/star_traveler_mobile_observatory.htm
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csa/montana
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I know I've seen a thread here about astro-trailers, one where you can both store your stuff and then tow it to your dark site. But for the life of me I can't find it. Did anyone bookmark that thread? Thanks.
Paul
I believe this is the one you are looking for:
link
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Luigi
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For general purpose box trailers check out Pace American and Haulmark on the web. There are many other mfgrs. You can often find a dealer nearby.
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Gary's (half meter's) very well thought-out design is the subject of csa/montana's link. Being a marine engineer, I'd give Gary a "10" for both design and implementation; one could do worse than cloning his rig. John Shirley (who's not a CNer) has, perhaps, the most elaborate, mounting both a "warm room" and a Skyshed Pod with a permanently-mounted LX200 12" on his trailer; again, for both design and implementation, John gets my "10".
Both John and Gary not only have storage, but have made the trailer a participant in observing after parking it.
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Ken Richmond, who also hangs out on the board (check out the MEADE groups on CN), has an exemplary setup.
Like Gary's, it's a coverted cargo trailer, but Ken has had it for 10 years and actually is a bit more evolved.
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kennyrichmond
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Greetings Tom!
We hope you two got to the Hersey Hotel. Here's a link to the thread showing my trailer. The only change is to a hinged bed on the left wall rather than a folding cot. The photos do not show the trundle table/computer center just to the rear of the side door, but one can get an idea of what is possible with a modest cargo trailer. A combination of a 1kw and a 3kw Honda inverter generators powers the ref/freezer, h/w heater, the microwave and heat/air-conditioning pump, plus equipment at just about 11 gals. of fuel per week. The 1 kw runs more or less 18 hours per day while the 3 kw is used intermittently for the micro wave, h/w heater and heat pump at about 6-8 hours at a time. It is not insulated except for silver bubble wrap in the ceiling. With the gen sets there is about $5.5K invested. Everything is off the shelf. Trailer Thread
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csa/montana
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Ken, thanks so much for posting your link!
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stars_in_my_eyes
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Greetings Tom!
We hope you two got to the Hersey Hotel. Here's a link to the thread showing my trailer. The only change is to a hinged bed on the left wall rather than a folding cot. The photos do not show the trundle table/computer center just to the rear of the side door, but one can get an idea of what is possible with a modest cargo trailer. A combination of a 1kw and a 3kw Honda inverter generators powers the ref/freezer, h/w heater, the microwave and heat/air-conditioning pump, plus equipment at just about 11 gals. of fuel per week. The 1 kw runs more or less 18 hours per day while the 3 kw is used intermittently for the micro wave, h/w heater and heat pump at about 6-8 hours at a time. It is not insulated except for silver bubble wrap in the ceiling. With the gen sets there is about $5.5K invested. Everything is off the shelf. Trailer Thread
Ken R.
Ken,
Could you discuss further this trailer setup including details about exactly what you have inside..I would like to duplicate it.
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kennyrichmond
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Stars,
I'll be taking my scope our of the trailer later today, so I'll take a few more detailed photos. The trailer is a ramp back,single axle Cargo-Mate that I purchased new in 97' for $1595. They still appear at that price from time to time on the e-bay trailer dealer sites. The roll-in porch is a Sidewinder II from Carefree of Colorado. I sectioned the drip molding on the right side, removed it and used it as a hole pattern for the back of the porch case. You could use a pop-up tent for a porch, but that's bulky and rather heavy. The reefer/freezer is a $120 (at Lowes)under-the-counter. 2 section Frigidaire. At the highest setting, the whole thing becomes a freezer. It never kicks the 1000W Honda up out of econo-mode. This generator runs underway and more or less continuously after arrival. The hot-water heater is electric, 2.5 gal. for under sink installation. It pulls 11 amps and can steam 2.5 gals in less than 10 minutes. These cost about $79-99 dollars. The ball bearing tool chest sits on the floor without casters. The bottom drawers are like two suitcases and hold my clothing/towels etc., The top drawer, when pulled out, gets a "Plasti-wood" Marine insert trimmed to fit the open drawer that is used for a food preparation counter in front of the micro-wave. 1800 watt micro-wave is less than $80, but the one I use also convectively heats with a coil for (what else?)crusty pizza and toasted muffins. Next to the Micro-waive is a dry-stores food cabinet that is pop riveted down to the reefer top which is pop riveted to the tool chest. On top of all of this is a high-lipped shelf for books, DC converters, etc. There is a fold-away step at the side door. I did not get a V-Nose because I wanted to mount a diamond-plate aluminum box at the front of the trailer for "dirty storage" ie. stove, griddle pan, extension cords and a outdoor carpet, stakes, etc., The lid becomes an out door work surface that lines up perfectly with the pickup tailgate. The heat pump/air conditioner is a Pelonis that ducts down through the floor at the rearmost corner. I originally had a regular RV rooftop air conditioner that instantly brought me the attention of Licenses and Inspections for having an "illegal RV/living quarters" in the driveway. The Pelonis unit was $450 on the internet, and, at 8K btu is just about at capacity on the hottest days and coldest night that I use the trailer in. If the trailer were insulated, it would run at half the rate. The shower/head is a pop-up sort of tent from Cabella's that sets up within reach of the "outdoor" shower spigot/hose. The house pressure comes from a 12V. boat pump and 12 gal. boat tank. Towing costs me .3 miles per gal. (ie 12.1 to 11.8 in a Hemi Ram 1500) I purchased this wireless 3 camera security set up that I plug into the laptop with DeLorme GPS. There is a camera inside the trailer and two at the rear for a rear view and for backing down. This set-up was $179 at Costco and works like a charm because of the infrared illumination. I can monitor my telescope and its "ride" after any potholes or ruts, plus see the ground or road at the back of the trailer with the press of a button.
Okay, Hope this gives you some ideas. I look forward to your suggestions for me.
I'll send photos later.
Ken R.
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kennyrichmond
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Stars,
Here are some photos from this AM. One shows my bed, folded down from the wall. The legs are bent conduit with folding braces and bent strap hinges. The bed is padded on the underside. On the right are the water tanks and plumbing and the heat pump.
Ken R.
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kennyrichmond
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Here's a photo of the trundle table. It holds a high/def 19" 900 line interlaced CRT (for a Mallincam)and a laptop at the same time and the bed is the right bench height. All of the connections to the scope exit through a simple outdoor socket cover-the kind that are square and spring loaded. All of the equipment cases fit under the bed.
Ken R.
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Tom and Beth
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Hope you don't mind some questions.
I like the idea of the wireless cameras, ESPECIALLY for backing the trailer into a tight spot. Like you, I can't park a "camper" on the property, but I could get away with with a cargo trailer as long as I raise my fence. Anyway. You mention two in the back, and so are they for long distance shot switching to close up? Might I get more detail onn these, please?
Did you weigh your trailer after it was loaded? Not only total weight, but balance on each wheel, as well as assuring you don't overload your hitch?
Thanks, in advance.
I had a Class A Motorhome for a while, but by the time you paid for storage, as well as trying to load a scope through the door..Let's just say a cargo trailer with a fold down door makes more sense.
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stars_in_my_eyes
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Stars,
I'll be taking my scope our of the trailer later today, so I'll take a few more detailed photos. The trailer is a ramp back,single axle Cargo-Mate that I purchased new in 97' for $1595. They still appear at that price from time to time on the e-bay trailer dealer sites. The roll-in porch is a Sidewinder II from Carefree of Colorado. I sectioned the drip molding on the right side, removed it and used it as a hole pattern for the back of the porch case. You could use a pop-up tent for a porch, but that's bulky and rather heavy. The reefer/freezer is a $120 (at Lowes)under-the-counter. 2 section Frigidaire. At the highest setting, the whole thing becomes a freezer. It never kicks the 1000W Honda up out of econo-mode. This generator runs underway and more or less continuously after arrival. The hot-water heater is electric, 2.5 gal. for under sink installation. It pulls 11 amps and can steam 2.5 gals in less than 10 minutes. These cost about $79-99 dollars. The ball bearing tool chest sits on the floor without casters. The bottom drawers are like two suitcases and hold my clothing/towels etc., The top drawer, when pulled out, gets a "Plasti-wood" Marine insert trimmed to fit the open drawer that is used for a food preparation counter in front of the micro-wave. 1800 watt micro-wave is less than $80, but the one I use also convectively heats with a coil for (what else?)crusty pizza and toasted muffins. Next to the Micro-waive is a dry-stores food cabinet that is pop riveted down to the reefer top which is pop riveted to the tool chest. On top of all of this is a high-lipped shelf for books, DC converters, etc. There is a fold-away step at the side door. I did not get a V-Nose because I wanted to mount a diamond-plate aluminum box at the front of the trailer for "dirty storage" ie. stove, griddle pan, extension cords and a outdoor carpet, stakes, etc., The lid becomes an out door work surface that lines up perfectly with the pickup tailgate. The heat pump/air conditioner is a Pelonis that ducts down through the floor at the rearmost corner. I originally had a regular RV rooftop air conditioner that instantly brought me the attention of Licenses and Inspections for having an "illegal RV/living quarters" in the driveway. The Pelonis unit was $450 on the internet, and, at 8K btu is just about at capacity on the hottest days and coldest night that I use the trailer in. If the trailer were insulated, it would run at half the rate. The shower/head is a pop-up sort of tent from Cabella's that sets up within reach of the "outdoor" shower spigot/hose. The house pressure comes from a 12V. boat pump and 12 gal. boat tank. Towing costs me .3 miles per gal. (ie 12.1 to 11.8 in a Hemi Ram 1500) I purchased this wireless 3 camera security set up that I plug into the laptop with DeLorme GPS. There is a camera inside the trailer and two at the rear for a rear view and for backing down. This set-up was $179 at Costco and works like a charm because of the infrared illumination. I can monitor my telescope and its "ride" after any potholes or ruts, plus see the ground or road at the back of the trailer with the press of a button.
Okay, Hope this gives you some ideas. I look forward to your suggestions for me.
I'll send photos later.
Ken R.
Thanks for the discussion.
How big is the trailer?
Any chance we could get LARGER pictures....I would like to see more detail so I could reproduce the setup.
Any improvements you would recommend?
What do you do for the black water requirements?
Thanks
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kennyrichmond
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Tom, Beth, Stars
The exterior dimensions of the box are 5'4" by 9'6". OAL is 13'4". GVW is 2450 lbs., Net 1300 lbs. I'm there, balanced side to side. The little Honda rides in front of the aluminum box locked to the tongue. The 3000W Honda rides in the back of the pickup, which is capped. The exhaust and squirrel cage fan for the bigger Honda is right at the top of the closed tail gate and cannot be heard inside the trailer when running. Blackwater is an electric flush w/6 gal holding tank-good for a week. It fits under the drop-down bed or into the Cabella Head Shower tent which you can see hanging on the left wall by its straps. The cameras are set up with one looking straight down from the rear of the trailer, one looking straight back (but it is not a mirror image-it's like you are turned-facing rear) and one inside the trailer. With a "One Touch" $35.00 USB to video connector and software, you can split the screen on a laptop showing DeLorme GPS navigation and either scroll or select your camera views on the other side of the screen. The supplied camera mounts are not too beefy, but once you have them aimed, pack the stems with epoxy, paint them black. The guest room is a carpeted heavily padded, fitted deck in the pickup bed. It's made for raucous romping (alas, I'm a hopeless optimist). The gen set is taken out with the lift I use for my telescope. Underway, the 340 lbs. of telescope counter weights ride on a cheap cart that, because of the pickup bed padding, stays put. Pictures? AS posted, they are the highest rez permitted. Try downloading them and blowing them up. Here's one of the "encampment" taken last month at the Mason Dixon S/P. You can see the Cabella's pop-up, tongue box and scope lift, porch, etc.,
Ken R.
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kennyrichmond
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Stars,
Improvements? This is actually a philosophical question. I dwell on ways to simplify/eliminate. Everything should have at least a dual purpose. Picture this: New Moon, weather outlook improves. Piper, PA overlook is accessible by a logging road. Pack in 6 days clothing change in the drawers, fill the head, and fresh water tanks, hitch-up, load Murphy and his dog food, and we're off. On the way, fill the gas tanks, stop at the food market, buy 8 lbs. of filet,(for the cast iron griddle pan) ice cream, frozen mashed potatoes, pizza for one, juice, wine, bread and eggs, paper plates, towels and plastic forks. Pack the reefer, start the little genset. Start the laptop and 120 Volt, AC wireless cameras. Call the office, kill the appointments while I'm underway. Time spent in prep = 30 minutes or less. I could improve this all with a triple axle 5th. wheel. But, I'd hate it. I would be adding things, rather than eliminating them I've spent days of deluge inside the trailer, reading, or Photoshopping. Murph coming in from the rain is the only problem here. I do not use storage batteries except for a UPC (in case the gen runs out of gas). Before you ask, I'll tell you - set-up/breakdown as you see it above is less than two hours by myself. With help, it's about six hours.
Ken R.
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Tom and Beth
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Hi Ken,
Thanks for your detailed answer, ESP on the cameras! I've played with security cams before, and so should have no problems in getting a system to work. Also had problems before with an unbalanced (side to side) trailer..Sounds like you're well aware of that issue and made plans to compensate.
Thanks again for these posts. With the rising price of gas and HOA association "Anti-camper" mentality, something like this allows for a dry storage as well as comfortable camping/telescope outing.
Also laughed at the "6 hours to set up with help"
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stars_in_my_eyes
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Tom, Beth, Stars
The exterior dimensions of the box are 5'4" by 9'6". OAL is 13'4". GVW is 2450 lbs., Net 1300 lbs. I'm there, balanced side to side. The little Honda rides in front of the aluminum box locked to the tongue. The 3000W Honda rides in the back of the pickup, which is capped. The exhaust and squirrel cage fan for the bigger Honda is right at the top of the closed tail gate and cannot be heard inside the trailer when running. Blackwater is an electric flush w/6 gal holding tank-good for a week. It fits under the drop-down bed or into the Cabella Head Shower tent which you can see hanging on the left wall by its straps. The cameras are set up with one looking straight down from the rear of the trailer, one looking straight back (but it is not a mirror image-it's like you are turned-facing rear) and one inside the trailer. With a "One Touch" $35.00 USB to video connector and software, you can split the screen on a laptop showing DeLorme GPS navigation and either scroll or select your camera views on the other side of the screen. The supplied camera mounts are not too beefy, but once you have them aimed, pack the stems with epoxy, paint them black. The guest room is a carpeted heavily padded, fitted deck in the pickup bed. It's made for raucous romping (alas, I'm a hopeless optimist). The gen set is taken out with the lift I use for my telescope. Underway, the 340 lbs. of telescope counter weights ride on a cheap cart that, because of the pickup bed padding, stays put. Pictures? AS posted, they are the highest rez permitted. Try downloading them and blowing them up. Here's one of the "encampment" taken last month at the Mason Dixon S/P. You can see the Cabella's pop-up, tongue box and scope lift, porch, etc.,
Ken R.
As for the picture size, the first two are showing as low res while the third picture is a much higher res.
A question about the bed...I am looking for a bed/couch setup that would work in a narrow trailer...any suggestions?
I find it strange that few amateur observatories don't have a bed...almost all professional ones do.
Thanks
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kennyrichmond
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Okay, my uploads get rejected, but I've tried something else. Here's photos showing the trailer contents in road mode. The first shows the cameras and the bed folded "up" against the wall, so the width of cart wheels for the scope lift could clear. This required some fabricating(adding bent straps to H/D door hinges). The Stainless bug sprayer heats 2.0 gals. of water on the gasoline Coleman stove. The water for it comes from the heat pump that produces about 2gals in 5 hours on a humid summer day. The entire mount assy. is bolted to the yellow cart for travel. The cart has been modifed with outrigged pneumatic casters.
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kennyrichmond
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Stars, It looks like this picture upload thing worked, so here is another view of the rear, as loaded, showing the h/w heater and fresh water tank. This is sitting on a tig welded aluminum frame, but it could be easily done with inexpensive perforated angle. The bed is made up of foam and folded moving pad covered in cheap painter's vinyl coated canvas drop cloth stapled tightly to the wooden frame. The height and width was established for comfortable position relative to the trundle desk/table and passage down the length of the trailer. Also, all of the equipment cases and electric head had fit under the bed when it is at a sleeping/sitting position-so the height of the trundle desk was adjusted to a 32" working height.
Ken R.
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