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drollere
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Re: parks on the ropes new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5456372 - 10/05/12 11:14 AM

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The niche Parks/Scope City seemed to fill was that of the vendor out of touch with the changing needs of the amateur astronomer. I suspect that those large GEM mounted Newtonians just took up floor space and were never sold.




i went to them for basic stuff, rotating rings and a telescope tube, which i got from parallax instead.

re jon's comments about reducing scope size and mass ... note that the personal ambition of olivier guyon, 2012 macarthur fellow, is to build "a high quality 1 meter telescope weighting less than 50kg." there's kool-aid, and then there's the stuff that the pastor puts in the kool-aid.

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Jon, my remarks were meant to taken as tongue-in-cheek, as indicated by the "wink" icon I placed at the end... yet I see that in the text you quoted, my comments end with a "smirk" instead.




wow, i did not know there was a subtext of emoticon etiquette. it's all "dancing baloney" to me, as the designers at yahoo used to call 'em. the text versions seem much more accurate and are fully reproducible. ;-)

still, there's no text emoticon that captures the spirit of mr. dancing banana. i love that guy!


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scopeboy42
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Re: parks on the ropes new [Re: okieav8r]
      #5456379 - 10/05/12 11:20 AM

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Who owns Lumicon right now? Isn't it Parks, or was it Parks at one time?




Based on online research it appears Maurice Sweiss owns Parks Optical, Scope City, and Lumicon. Lumicon ads use to state that they were a division of Parks Optical but I am not sure if that is still true. Mr. Sweiss does give an intro in the 1985 Parks Optical Catalog and he is listed as president so he has owned it for quite some time.

http://geogdata.csun.edu/~voltaire/classics/parks/85parkscat.pdf

Greg

Edited by scopeboy42 (10/05/12 11:39 AM)


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okieav8rAdministrator
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Re: parks on the ropes new [Re: scopeboy42]
      #5456393 - 10/05/12 11:30 AM

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Who owns Lumicon right now? Isn't it Parks, or was it Parks at one time?




Based on online research it appears Maurice Sweiss owns Parks Optical, Scope City, and Lumicon. Lumicon ads use to state that they were a division of Parks Optical but I am not sure if that is still true. Mr. Sweiss does give an intro in the 1985 Parks Optical Catalog and he is listed as president so he has owned it for quite some time.

http://geogdata.csun.edu/~voltaire/classics/parks/85parkscat.pdf




Thanks Gregory.


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astro_baby
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Re: parks on the ropes new [Re: okieav8r]
      #5457466 - 10/06/12 05:17 AM

Wow a look at the website took me back to a UK dealer circa 1977.

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csrlice12
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Re: parks on the ropes new [Re: astro_baby]
      #5457755 - 10/06/12 10:54 AM

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Wow a look at the website took me back to a UK dealer circa 1977.




Uh, there were no websites in 1977.


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RodgerHouTex
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Re: parks on the ropes new [Re: csrlice12]
      #5458286 - 10/06/12 06:21 PM

Details, details.

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Starman1
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Re: parks on the ropes new [Re: RodgerHouTex]
      #5458412 - 10/06/12 08:31 PM

Last I heard, Lumicon had sold to a former employee of Parks/Lumicon/Scope City.
That leaves Parks and Scope City stillowned by the Sweiss family.
I left in Feb.2012
Some day I'll write an essay about the history of the company.
But not today.


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Jon Isaacs
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Re: parks on the ropes new [Re: Starman1]
      #5458847 - 10/07/12 06:37 AM

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Some day I'll write an essay about the history of the company. But not today.






Jon


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Jim Rosenstock
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Re: parks on the ropes new [Re: Starman1]
      #5458930 - 10/07/12 08:33 AM

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I left in Feb.2012
Some day I'll write an essay about the history of the company.
But not today.




A story I'll read, eagerly. Tomorrow??

I had a v-e-r-y long wait for a fiberglass optical tube in 2005; a great product when it finally arrived, though. When I phoned (a couple of times) a very nice young lady assured me it would ship, and blamed delays on "Mars Madness" (it was a few weeks before the Great Opposition of 2005). Perhaps they're just not set up to handle a lot of business.

Again, their products are good. Not the folks to call if you're in a rush to finish a project, apparently, but perhaps there's a reason they've stayed in business for all these years.

Jim


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DaveJ
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Re: parks on the ropes new [Re: Jim Rosenstock]
      #5458956 - 10/07/12 09:03 AM

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..."Mars Madness" (it was a few weeks before the Great Opposition of 2005)




Hi Jim,

Not to nit pick, but the great "Mars Madness" opposition was in 2003 rather than 2005.


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scopeboy42
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Re: parks on the ropes new [Re: Starman1]
      #5460605 - 10/08/12 12:54 PM

Here is the announcement from the new owner of Lumicon.

http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5460282/page/0/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1


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careysub
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Re: parks on the ropes new [Re: scopeboy42]
      #5460787 - 10/08/12 02:57 PM

I have will be in the market for some 2" filters in the near future, and I had been considering which brand to go with. This settles it, I will buy Lumicon.

They are (as it is said) the "benchmark" and we need to support a key supplier.


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scopeboy42
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Re: parks on the ropes new [Re: amicus sidera]
      #5462428 - 10/09/12 04:09 PM

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Parks fills a niche in amateur astronomy, and has for some time.




I have considered a few times on getting the AZ8 and Gold Series Eyepiece Set. I guess I have a warm spot for USA/Japanese optics and gleaming white tubes.

Unluckily my field of work (architecture) has been hit hard by the economy so no new purchases for me.


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SeattleScott
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Re: parks on the ropes new [Re: scopeboy42]
      #5464473 - 10/10/12 09:41 PM

I personally like Parks reputation for great optics and would have liked to buy American when purchasing my last telescope, a premium eq mounted Newtonian. But I went with OO UK instead because:
-OTA weight for 10" Aperture was about 25% less for OO, enabling me to mount it on a CG5 instead of an Atlas.
-Mirror thickness was 2" compared to OO at 1.5" which yields faster cool down.
-97% reflectivity coatings for OO
-Detailed report on quality of optics for OO
-And the big one, length of the OO optical tube was 45", length of the Parks tube was 52", length of the back seat in my Subaru is 50". There is a reason that 10" dobs are F4.7 instead of F5 - that way they will fit in the back of a typical car! A minor detail that eliminates a good portion of their target audience.

Oh, and the price. Parks would have been $1,622 including shipping. OO UK was about $1,625 including international air freight, customs fee and foreign exchange transaction fee, and an extra set of rings to use for rotating rings. I received the OO scope in a matter of weeks, while I was told the wait on the Parks was 6-12 months.


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Jon Isaacs
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Re: parks on the ropes new [Re: SeattleScott]
      #5464955 - 10/11/12 07:53 AM

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There is a reason that 10" dobs are F4.7 instead of F5 - that way they will fit in the back of a typical car!




The 10 inch F/5 GSO Dobs are about 48 inches long, at least mine is.

There is only about 2 inches difference in focal length and there are various places one can find those 2 inches... Mine has fit in every car I have owned including a 1989 Nissan Sentra...

Jon


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Jim Rosenstock
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Re: parks on the ropes new [Re: DaveJ]
      #5464974 - 10/11/12 08:22 AM

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..."Mars Madness" (it was a few weeks before the Great Opposition of 2005)




Hi Jim,

Not to nit pick, but the great "Mars Madness" opposition was in 2003 rather than 2005.




Indeed. (where does the time go.... )


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csrlice12
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Re: parks on the ropes new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5464977 - 10/11/12 08:28 AM

Pretty much all 10" scopes will fit into the back seat of a midsize or larger car; although there may be some compacts it won't fit. From what I've read here (not sure if true) is that a 10" Dob was Al Naglers favorite scope. I've also heard Jon is putting a hemi in that scope he's standing next to; giving a whole new meaning to the term GoTo....

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Re: parks on the ropes new [Re: rmollise]
      #5464980 - 10/11/12 08:41 AM

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Granted, it's a small niche, but they filled it well... it's not their fault that so many amateurs became inordinately enamored of alt-az 'scopes... and as for "We don't believe in laser collimators"... gotta love it! These are my kinda folks, but I can see why they might be having difficulties, seeing as how the multitudes have drunk deep of the the alt-az/laser collimation kool-aid in the past two decades.




Yeah, who DOESN'T want an overpriced GEM mounted scope whose design hasn't changed or improved since the 1960s? They oughta be ON TOP OF THE WORLD!




On the other hand, stuff built in the 60s was quality merchandise, made to last. Just remember, nothing happens overnight (except maybe supernovas), what we have today, we owe to those who came before us...question is...what do we plan to leave.....

Edited by tecmage (10/16/12 08:56 PM)


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Re: parks on the ropes new [Re: csrlice12]
      #5464998 - 10/11/12 09:01 AM

My memory of Parks was their fiberglass tubes, but not much else. Looking at their web site is like a trip down memory lane. Back in the good old days where if you wanted to own a telescope of any size you had to either build your own or mortgage your house. I could not believe their prices on 60mm achromats and the descriptions that went with them. Brilliant images? From a 60mm? Maybe of the sun! Not even a modern 60mm Apo/ED would sell for those prices, perticularly not on what looks like an EQ-1 mount. Oh well, if they fill a niche that's great. It's not necessary that I agree with it.

Edited by tecmage (10/16/12 08:14 PM)


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Re: parks on the ropes new [Re: okieav8r]
      #5465051 - 10/11/12 09:46 AM

Parks and Scope City are owned by the same bunch. Lumicon may be independent now. I have had nothing but good service from Scope City, btw.

Edited by rmollise (10/11/12 09:50 AM)


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