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m1618
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Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian
      #6028400 - 08/16/13 01:20 AM

I do not own a Telrad or a dob yet. After looking through a Telrad at a star party, I was convinced!

My concern: the mounting base installation.

Most likely when I purchase the dob I'll be transporting it in a van. Will probably roll around and stay in the heat. I'd prefer something more like a shoe/base finder mount but of some reflex type. Anyone having issues with the mounting base with Telrads?

Please suggest some alternatives you use as finders for a dob. thanks in advance!


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: m1618]
      #6028460 - 08/16/13 02:24 AM

If you plan on the Dob rolling around in the back of a van, it won't last very long. Actually, the last thing to survive might be the Telrad - they are durable.

The Telrad is the best finder to start with, if the Dob is 8" or larger.


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: m1618]
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I do not own a Telrad or a dob yet. After looking through a Telrad at a star party, I was convinced!

My concern: the mounting base installation.

Most likely when I purchase the dob I'll be transporting it in a van. Will probably roll around and stay in the heat. I'd prefer something more like a shoe/base finder mount but of some reflex type. Anyone having issues with the mounting base with Telrads?

Please suggest some alternatives you use as finders for a dob. thanks in advance!




Nope, there is never much of a problem with the Telrad's base. My Telrad's base has been both bolted to my 10 inch Newtonian's tube as well as just stuck on the upper cage of my 14 inch truss-tube Dobsonian using the included adhesive tape, and the base has stayed put pretty darn well over the years in each case. I always remove the Telrad from the base when I am transporting the telescope, as that is just a question of releasing two nylon set screws and taking the Telrad off of its base, but the base is not bulky and fits fairly flush to the tube. I also have 8x50 straight through and 9x50 RACI finderscopes on both telescopes in addition to my Telrad, although much of the time, the Telrad is enough to find many objects. If you want something not quite as bulky for a smaller scope, the Rigel Quickfinder is OK, although it is a bit on the fragile side and its removal from the base not quite as easy:

CN REPORTS: Telrad Vs. Rigel Quickfinder

Here is how the Telrad (with its orange dew shield) and my 9x50 RACI finderscope fit on the front of my XX14i 14 inch f/4.6 Newtonian:


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: m1618]
      #6028563 - 08/16/13 05:03 AM

Quote:

Most likely when I purchase the dob I'll be transporting it in a van. Will probably roll around and stay in the heat. I'd prefer something more like a shoe/base finder mount but of some reflex type. Anyone having issues with the mounting base with Telrads?




I have 5 scopes with Telrads. I can only second what Lee and David have said. If your Dob is free to roll around in the back of your van, the Telrad base will be the least of your concerns. It has a low profile and it is robust. Other things like the focuser, the focuser shaft, these are going to get quickly damaged. When transporting a Dob, it should be protected and secure. Wrap it in an old blanket or sleeping bag, position it and block it in so it can't roll around.

In terms of secure finder brackets, I have never had a problem with a Telrad bracket. Dovetail brackets are more problematic, they have a much smaller footprint and often shift.

Jon


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: m1618]
      #6028731 - 08/16/13 08:52 AM

Go ahead and add me to the list above!

The Telrad base will last longer than your focuser if you allow your OTA to roll around in the back of a van.

I wrap a blanket around mine and block it with some old pillows.

Cheers,

Ron


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: RAKing]
      #6028800 - 08/16/13 09:45 AM

Mine sets in the back seat and is seat-belted in. I just leave the Telrad and finderscope on it normally, but if I travel a good distance or over rough terrain (highly unlikely), I'd probably remove them as well. If you scope is allowed to roll around by itself, it'll at a minimum require recollimation, possibly hammering out the dents, and worst case....that tinkling sound WAS your mirror.....

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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: csrlice12]
      #6028806 - 08/16/13 09:50 AM

I have my Telrad mounted on a finder scope foot from Scope Stuff here, it was just easier to get the large finder scope and Telrad mounted side by side. Here is the link to the telrad finder foot system: http://www.scopestuff.com/ss_telo.htm

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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: cliff mygatt]
      #6028921 - 08/16/13 11:02 AM

I love this forum! Great advice and feedback.
Didn't realize at first that there's an option to bolt them on not just the adhesive.

One other thing I really liked about the Telrad approach was not hitting my eyeglasses on a magnified finder.

The only other concern now is remembering to turn it off when not in use.

Thanks again everyone!


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: m1618]
      #6028930 - 08/16/13 11:10 AM

I've found mine left on after weeks at a time and still have the original batteries. Man, why can't they make everything use juice like this thing!!!

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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: m1618]
      #6028937 - 08/16/13 11:14 AM

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The only other concern now is remembering to turn it off when not in use.




Even leaving it on has not been much of a problem for me - sometimes I have inadvertently left mine on for a month at time. The power draw at low settings is minimal, although that being said the wise astronomer always has a pack of spare batteries in the tool box.

BTW, when I have had to remove a Telrad base (move to a better location, different scope, etc.) it has been quite a task to get the old base off due to the length (and surface area) of the double-stick surface. Naptha works well against the adhesive and has minimal effect on finishes (although you would of course want to test that discretely).

When archaeologists dig up our civilization millions of years from now, Telrads will probably be the only devices intact and functioning.


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: Jeff Morgan]
      #6028951 - 08/16/13 11:19 AM

Well, there will still probably also be eyepiece cups intact...functioning is another story altogether.....

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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: csrlice12]
      #6028968 - 08/16/13 11:27 AM

By the way, you might want to purchase the Telrad pulser kit and install it, very nice upgrade. Available here. Good Luck!

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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: cliff mygatt]
      #6030100 - 08/16/13 11:32 PM

You may also want to look at a flip mirror addition to the Telrad. Makes it even more useful at weird viewing angles. Is dew a concern where you live? If so the Telrad will dew up first. You'll need to look at adding some warming resistors or dew shields. All said, the telrad still works well.

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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: m1618]
      #6030150 - 08/17/13 12:08 AM

Quote:

I love this forum! Great advice and feedback.
Didn't realize at first that there's an option to bolt them on not just the adhesive.

One other thing I really liked about the Telrad approach was not hitting my eyeglasses on a magnified finder.

The only other concern now is remembering to turn it off when not in use.

Thanks again everyone!




Also try gluing flexible fridge magnets to the bottom of the telrad base. Then you can remove it and snap it back on at will. Works great for me.


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: m1618]
      #6030998 - 08/17/13 01:43 PM

As others have said, the Telrad base should not be an issue.

But have you considered wrapping your dob tube in a blanket or two? It will minimize rolling and denting as well as provide insulation from the heat. I always wrap my dobs in a blanket when transporting. Just my 2 cents.


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: m1618]
      #6031725 - 08/17/13 08:50 PM

Quote:

Please suggest some alternatives you use as finders for a dob.



A green laser pointer.
After I bought the GLP I quit using the Telrad, so I sold it.


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: dan777]
      #6031848 - 08/17/13 10:10 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Please suggest some alternatives you use as finders for a dob.



A green laser pointer.
After I bought the GLP I quit using the Telrad, so I sold it.




That's what I'm doing on the new scope. I just need two short bursts to get ServoCAT alignment and it's off to the races. I could even remove the GLP from that point, but it's location doesn't really affect balance at all.

If this works out long-term I'll sell one or both of my Telrads.


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: m1618]
      #6033751 - 08/18/13 11:06 PM

Quote:

Anyone having issues with the mounting base with Telrads?

Please suggest some alternatives you use as finders for a dob. thanks in advance!



1) No. 2) No serious alternatives. I still have the Rigel and I don't like it.

Quote:

dan777
A green laser pointer.
After I bought the GLP I quit using the Telrad, so I sold it.


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I had tried the GLP on my Dob and found it didn't make finding objects much easier. So, I went the opposite direction and bought the Telrad instead. But YMMV.


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: CeleNoptic]
      #6034162 - 08/19/13 09:00 AM

Lasers & red dot pointers work fine, but I prefer the bullseye rings of the Telrad!

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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: Shawn H]
      #6036983 - 08/20/13 05:39 PM

I prefer the Rigel..smaller foot print, it's just to get one close ayway..

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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: SKYGZR]
      #6036993 - 08/20/13 05:46 PM

Quote:

it's just to get one close ayway..




I find that using the Telrad with charts with the Telrad circles, I get right on the target, unless there are few stars around the target in order to place the circle; then I can use my RACI.


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: SKYGZR]
      #6037189 - 08/20/13 07:33 PM

I think it's time for a Telrad update. A little less plastic would work for me.

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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: David Knisely]
      #6037473 - 08/20/13 11:13 PM

Quote:

Here is how the Telrad (with its orange dew shield) and my 9x50 RACI finderscope fit on the front of my XX14i 14 inch f/4.6 Newtonian:




David,
Is that the Astrosystems Telrad dew shield? Where did you get an *orange* one?!!

Clear skies,
-- Shane


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: csa/montana]
      #6037491 - 08/20/13 11:29 PM

Quote:

Quote:

it's just to get one close ayway..




I find that using the Telrad with charts with the Telrad circles, I get right on the target, unless there are few stars around the target in order to place the circle; then I can use my RACI.






If the skies are dark, then most often, a Telrad is all that is necessary.

If there is insufficient room for the Telrad, in my experience, a Rigel can be used but with the increased parallax error and without the 4 degree ring, I did not find it as effective as the Telrad.

Jon


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: gravitino]
      #6037501 - 08/20/13 11:38 PM

So Telrad it is. Mine came in the mail today. Impressive. I do think that the magnet strip idea is great. They better have strong ones at the hardware store.

Yes I will be sure to wrap my scope with a sleeping bag.
Telrad does need a makeover. The components inside are very radioshack. A lot of excess plastic. Wondering what the purpose of the big battery compartment was. I can hide my car keys in there during star parties I guess. But what a great invention. I wish Telrad continued success!

Thank you all for your advice and setting me straight about going with the "industry standard."


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: gravitino]
      #6037622 - 08/21/13 01:55 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Here is how the Telrad (with its orange dew shield) and my 9x50 RACI finderscope fit on the front of my XX14i 14 inch f/4.6 Newtonian:




David,
Is that the Astrosystems Telrad dew shield? Where did you get an *orange* one?!!

Clear skies,
-- Shane




Yup, it is indeed one from Astrosystems. I got it at the Nebraska Star Party many years ago when Astrosystems was there. I originally put it on my 10 inch Newtonian, and that orange color really got some looks. Clear skies to you.


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: David Knisely]
      #6037928 - 08/21/13 09:18 AM

The Double Lyra Mounting Bracket will support a Telrad quite nicely. It has the additional advantage of easily being used for different sighters, so you can change from the Telrad to a finder scope, or use the thing on different scope.

One of these days I will write a full review.


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: Wmacky]
      #6038047 - 08/21/13 10:31 AM

Quote:

I think it's time for a Telrad update. A little less plastic would work for me.




Speaking for myself, I love the old clunky look and feel of the Telrad!

But, if less plastic works for you, here you go:

Cutting the Telrad in half


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: csa/montana]
      #6038225 - 08/21/13 12:04 PM

Wow I love that Telrad Jr.! Someone should sell those.

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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: csa/montana]
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Speaking for myself, I love the old clunky look and feel of the Telrad!




Careful, Carol! "Clunky" is in the eye of the beholder.

IIRC, the Telrad was originally designed for D cell batteries, thus the large battery compartment. Considering the life expectancy of the AA batteries I have in there now, I suspect that D cells would last for centuries.

I, for one, have loved my Telrads since I came back to astronomy in the late 1980s. The design and function are perfect for me and I hope they never change.

Long live the King!

Ron


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: n1wvet]
      #6038378 - 08/21/13 01:38 PM

Quote:

You may also want to look at a flip mirror addition to the Telrad. Makes it even more useful at weird viewing angles. Is dew a concern where you live? If so the Telrad will dew up first. You'll need to look at adding some warming resistors or dew shields. All said, the telrad still works well.




Is that the Dew Shield plus?


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: cliff mygatt]
      #6038385 - 08/21/13 01:41 PM

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By the way, you might want to purchase the Telrad pulser kit and install it, very nice upgrade. Available here. Good Luck!




Is that the dew shield plus?

Also...I take it the Pulser blinks the red target on and off?


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: Brett Carlson]
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Quote:

You may also want to look at a flip mirror addition to the Telrad. Makes it even more useful at weird viewing angles. Is dew a concern where you live? If so the Telrad will dew up first. You'll need to look at adding some warming resistors or dew shields. All said, the telrad still works well.




Is that the Dew Shield plus?




Yes; here's mine with the Dew Shield plus.


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: RAKing]
      #6038430 - 08/21/13 02:09 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Speaking for myself, I love the old clunky look and feel of the Telrad!




Careful, Carol! "Clunky" is in the eye of the beholder.

IIRC, the Telrad was originally designed for D cell batteries, thus the large battery compartment. Considering the life expectancy of the AA batteries I have in there now, I suspect that D cells would last for centuries.

I, for one, have loved my Telrads since I came back to astronomy in the late 1980s. The design and function are perfect for me and I hope they never change.

Long live the King!

Ron




Ahhh Ron, "clunky" is beloved with the Telrad! I wouldn't change a thing on it, have had the same one since I got my first scope!

I agree with your thoughts on battery life!


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: m1618]
      #6046272 - 08/26/13 12:39 AM

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Telrad does need a makeover. The components inside are very radioshack.




Don't be deceived. The interior components may look flimsy and cheap, but Telrads are all but unkillable!


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: Diana N]
      #6046630 - 08/26/13 09:46 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Telrad does need a makeover. The components inside are very radioshack.




Don't be deceived. The interior components may look flimsy and cheap, but Telrads are all but unkillable!





Indeed they are! I'm still using the original one I purchased in 2005, from Telrad themselves. I for one, would be very disappointed to see our beloved Telrad undergo changes.

For those that don't know the history of the Telrad, this might be of interest; and also explain why it's still the same unchanged Telrad today.

Telrad history


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: csa/montana]
      #6046683 - 08/26/13 10:22 AM

Another suggestion on the Dob rolling around:
Buy an Orion Soft case to protect it! Also with Perhaps something large and heavy put up against it to keep it from rolling ;I.e. The Dob Base and I think You will be in good shape.


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: csa/montana]
      #6046737 - 08/26/13 10:45 AM

For those that don't know the history of the Telrad, this might be of interest; and also explain why it's still the same unchanged Telrad today.

Carol:

Thanks for that link. Here's another interesting link about the Telrad story.

Lew Chilton tells the story of Steve Kufeld and the Telrad

Jon


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #6046910 - 08/26/13 12:24 PM

Thanks for the history links, great reads.

I always figured the design remained unchanged because the inventor had to do a very large run to justify the injection molding costs, and units sold today were still from the original run


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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #6046971 - 08/26/13 12:59 PM

Jon, thanks for the additional link. I think knowing the history of the Telrad lets others know why we absolutely love them exactly as they are now, with no changes! It's a "love" thing for the man that gave us the Telrad!

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Re: Telrad alternative suggestion for dobsonian new [Re: csa/montana]
      #6047422 - 08/26/13 05:48 PM

Quote:

Jon, thanks for the additional link. I think knowing the history of the Telrad lets others know why we absolutely love them exactly as they are now, with no changes! It's a "love" thing for the man that gave us the Telrad!




Amen, Carol.

I still have my original Telrad and the family has now grown to four. I think Steve can rest in peace knowing that his wonderful tool has been accepted by so many of us.

It's probably still one of the best bargains in our hobby!

Thanks again, Steve.

Ron


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