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Re: Northwest Unknown Star Party July 4 - 7 2013 new [Re: zerro1]
      #5935474 - 06/22/13 10:27 PM Attachment (14 downloads)

but much more is not devoid of life. The entire viewing field was completely untouched and the vast amount of meadow lands on Table mountain sustained little damage from the fire. It's all part of the process that takes place in the life up there. I don't think we should shy away from it and leave the location unused. There is no "healing" that needs to take place or "rest" that is required. Table Mountain will recover whether we use the observing field or not...

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Re: Northwest Unknown Star Party July 4 - 7 2013 new [Re: zerro1]
      #5935480 - 06/22/13 10:29 PM Attachment (12 downloads)

+1

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Re: Northwest Unknown Star Party July 4 - 7 2013 new [Re: zerro1]
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last one for now

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Re: Northwest Unknown Star Party July 4 - 7 2013 new [Re: zerro1]
      #5935508 - 06/22/13 10:47 PM

So... I'll be going to the "dis-organized-unknown-star-party". I'll be bringing a chainsaw in case any trees drop accross the road while we're up there. Most of the truly questionable snags have been dropped already either by the fire, wind or the USFS. But if conditions got relly windy I wouldn't be shocked to see a few down. NOT reccomended that anyone camps or sets up near the burn area's

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Re: Northwest Unknown Star Party July 4 - 7 2013 new [Re: zerro1]
      #5935858 - 06/23/13 04:04 AM

Wow, thanks guys for the scouting report!!
I look forward to meeting you on the mountain!!


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Re: Northwest Unknown Star Party July 4 - 7 2013 new [Re: zerro1]
      #5936011 - 06/23/13 08:45 AM

Thanks guys for some great photos. Very sad to see the damage, but glad some parts escaped the fire.

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Re: Northwest Unknown Star Party July 4 - 7 2013 new [Re: csa/montana]
      #5936526 - 06/23/13 02:41 PM Attachment (10 downloads)

thanks Ron and Carol!

It's certainly better than I expected in some aspects.. The burn pattern reminds my a lot of the yellowstone fire. it will be a few more years bfore the full impact on the remaining trees will be known. Some will not survive, some will come back very strong. As charred black bark begins to shed from the stands, it'll take on a bleached white look as the exposed wood weathers.

In doing some research it appears that there is some salvage logging going on, but much of what we saw up there is beyond salvage and clearly rot is setting in quickly. Pine doesn't keep, so the only stuff that might be usable in a comercial sense is fir tree's. There were quite a few firewood harvesters up there, as there are every year.


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Re: Northwest Unknown Star Party July 4 - 7 2013 new [Re: zerro1]
      #5936906 - 06/23/13 06:35 PM

A Panoramic eastern view. 1620 pixels wide

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/8471/veiu.jpg


A little wider lens setting 3000 pixels wide intersects with the previous pano but different scale

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/6787/r14t.jpg


Lets not forget what it looked like last September
Iconic Photo of the Plume reaching 42,000 feet

Edited by zerro1 (06/23/13 06:50 PM)


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Re: Northwest Unknown Star Party July 4 - 7 2013 new [Re: zerro1]
      #5937462 - 06/24/13 03:29 AM

Stacy and Robert, thanks much for the report and photos. I am heartened by the photos, yes damage and the forest will take years to recover, but the Table Mountain site looks great, and the grass, sage and heather is thriving.

Any interest in making an August trip there?

Thanks again!

Doug


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Re: Northwest Unknown Star Party July 4 - 7 2013 new [Re: svtdoug]
      #5937889 - 06/24/13 11:58 AM

Thanks for the tour, guys. That was a fine little piece of photojournalism.

I expected wider incidence of the "totally sanitized" areas, based on my one previous trip up there. I did a fair amount of wandering through the woods then, and there was a tremendous amount of dead wood "fuel" lying around virtually everywhere. It looks though, as if a few trees survived in most areas and the long term results of the fire in those areas will be typical forest fire house cleaning regeneration. In about 2002, 2 or 3 years after the epic north Cascades fire that swept from south of Leavenworth up to Lake Chelan, I took a carload of kids camping up the Entiat River. When departing we took forest service roads overland to Lake Chelan and it was many square miles of Robert's "totally sanitized" shot -- areas that will require decades, rather than years, to regenerate.

It's still looking as if I'll be able to sneak up there for a night the weekend of July 6, even though I'll start a drive to North Dakota in the middle of the following week.


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Re: Northwest Unknown Star Party July 4 - 7 2013 new [Re: svtdoug]
      #5938378 - 06/24/13 05:04 PM

Quote:

Any interest in making an August trip there?

Thanks again!

Doug




As a matter of fact, depending on how the July trip works out, I may forgo OSP in favor of Table. It's such a *BLEEP*-shoot for the seeing at OSP that I am considering trading the darker skies (and the new chef!) for the closer proximity of Table.

Have to see how it goes.


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Re: Northwest Unknown Star Party July 4 - 7 2013 new [Re: Spaced]
      #5938802 - 06/24/13 10:09 PM

Quote:

Thanks for the tour, guys. That was a fine little piece of photojournalism.

I expected wider incidence of the "totally sanitized" areas, based on my one previous trip up there. I did a fair amount of wandering through the woods then, and there was a tremendous amount of dead wood "fuel" lying around virtually everywhere. It looks though, as if a few trees survived in most areas and the long term results of the fire in those areas will be typical forest fire house cleaning regeneration. In about 2002, 2 or 3 years after the epic north Cascades fire that swept from south of Leavenworth up to Lake Chelan, I took a carload of kids camping up the Entiat River. When departing we took forest service roads overland to Lake Chelan and it was many square miles of Robert's "totally sanitized" shot -- areas that will require decades, rather than years, to regenerate.

It's still looking as if I'll be able to sneak up there for a night the weekend of July 6, even though I'll start a drive to North Dakota in the middle of the following week.




That was the Tyee Creek Fire. I think there was a second fire in the Icicle River and into the Tumater Canyon at the same time. I had a photo of a helicopter dipping water out of the Wenatchee River; you could just see the main rotor blades peeking above the guardrail along Highway 2...


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Re: Northwest Unknown Star Party July 4 - 7 2013 new [Re: zerro1]
      #5939561 - 06/25/13 11:32 AM

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As a matter of fact, depending on how the July trip works out, I may forgo OSP in favor of Table.




My one trip to Table was, I think, in 2006. I haven't gone back, mostly because of the disappointing level of light pollution to the south. If I go up for a night in July and (fingers crossed!) hit a good night I'll reevaluate. My $.02 US.

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That was the Tyee Creek Fire. I think there was a second fire in the Icicle River and into the Tumater Canyon at the same time.




Hmmmm, Maybe we're talking about two different events, or the two separate burns you mentioned merged. When the woods are that dry there's usually more than one fire. I remember the fire jumping US 2 west of L/worth and continuing north.


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Re: Northwest Unknown Star Party July 4 - 7 2013 new [Re: Spaced]
      #5939841 - 06/25/13 01:52 PM

So what's needed to go up there for the upcoming NUSP? A Discover Pass?

I've been called up for jury duty. Let's see how things go.



Edited by bluedandelion (06/25/13 02:08 PM)


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Re: Northwest Unknown Star Party July 4 - 7 2013 new [Re: bluedandelion]
      #5940018 - 06/25/13 03:39 PM

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So what's needed to go up there for the upcoming NUSP? A Discover Pass?

I've been called up for jury duty. Let's see how things go.






No passes or permits are required. Just drive safe and if high winds are present, be extra careful driving through the "hot spots".

Stacy


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Re: Northwest Unknown Star Party July 4 - 7 2013 new [Re: Stacy]
      #5940413 - 06/25/13 08:20 PM

Hi Mike, the Tyee creek fire was massive. Largets in washington state in the 20th century. It burned uncheked for 33 days in 1994. 135,000 acres... When I drove up the Entiat river there were places 5 miles away that clearly looked like the bottom of a campfire pit that was just white ash. The fire that was over in the Tumwater Canyon was the Hatchery Creek fire/Rat Creek Fire + Round Mountain fire.

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On Sunday evening, July 24 [1994], a lightning storm moved through Central Washington,
igniting more than forty-one fires on the Wenatchee National Forest and a total of ninety-nine
fires in Washington State....The storm came on the heels of record-breaking summer temperatures,
reaching into the 100 degrees range, to forests already impacted by several years of
drought-like conditions....Extreme fire behavior thwarted significant containment efforts through
the first few days of initial attack on these fires. Fire behavior was said to defy description or
comparison with what most seasoned firefighters had previously seen.
USDA Forest Service (1994)




http://www.fs.fed.us/pnw/pubs/pnw_gtr479.pdf


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Re: Northwest Unknown Star Party July 4 - 7 2013 new [Re: bluedandelion]
      #5940679 - 06/25/13 11:37 PM

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So what's needed to go up there for the upcoming NUSP? A Discover Pass?

I've been called up for jury duty. Let's see how things go.






Just be sure to bring your winter wear. It is over 6,000' elevation and conditions can get extreme in short order.


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Re: Northwest Unknown Star Party July 4 - 7 2013 new [Re: astronomania]
      #5940742 - 06/26/13 12:33 AM

Yup, Robert, that's the one. Miles O' Moonscape.

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Re: Northwest Unknown Star Party July 4 - 7 2013 new [Re: Spaced]
      #5940799 - 06/26/13 01:21 AM

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Miles O' Moonscape.


Exactly.

I just did the math, 211 square miles (about 2 1/2 times the land area that Seattle occupies)


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Re: Northwest Unknown Star Party July 4 - 7 2013 [Re: zerro1]
      #5941507 - 06/26/13 02:24 PM

My Table experience was awesome...about "07" time frame. Dark, warm, dry..great 4 days I have ever enjoyed at a star party.
Looks like for me that West Texas looks pretty nice too...if things come to fruition.

Rob


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