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Vondragonnoggin
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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: rodb]
      #4578539 - 05/13/11 01:15 AM

Rod, you'll have to be on the #3 spot. My email was sent awhile ago.

I think for weight and portability, 100mm is perfect.

Now I am really looking forward to it if we can get mount, tripod, UHC filters and a couple great eyepiece sets for $3000. I know there is nothing definite yet on price, but a package bundle like that would be pretty awesome for an apo BT if it turns out it can be done.

Somehow I don't think any other instrument would see much starlight after buying this one. well, maybe for planetary and globulars or an occasional peek at dust and gas up close, a big scope will still get pulled out, but 95% of the time would be the apo BT.

Crossing my fingers for full illumination in the 90° model.


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APM M.Ludes
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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Scopyfrank]
      #4579326 - 05/13/11 12:09 PM

the 10" is going on side of a 32" R.C. :-)

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APM M.Ludes
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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Vondragonnoggin]
      #4579329 - 05/13/11 12:11 PM

I have the optical layout and beams on my computer and yes the 90° is fully illuminated

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Vondragonnoggin
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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4579541 - 05/13/11 01:48 PM



Excellent! Started my savings already. between what I can do now, two bonuses by mid december, I'll be ready. Hopefully a Christmas present for myself.


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rodb
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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4579543 - 05/13/11 01:49 PM

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I have the optical layout and beams on my computer and yes the 90° is fully illuminated




Be still my heart. Now if the bino weight can be kept to less than 15-16#, and maybe the whole package to no more than about 30#, that would further help my decision. Sure, I want sturdy, but portability is still a priority for me (and, I suspect, many BT buyers).

Von, I duly concede to your being #2. #3's not bad for a "young"/old goat.

Rod


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rodb
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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Vondragonnoggin]
      #4579562 - 05/13/11 01:58 PM

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Excellent! Started my savings already. between what I can do now, two bonuses by mid december, I'll be ready. Hopefully a Christmas present for myself.




One (maybe the only) advantage of being old is I have discretionary $$ for these toys. What with taking care of my middle-aged son due to the recession (he only works part time), and no longer running around with women, boy does that ever save big bucks (been there, done that), and having a good pension from working 39 years in my profession, I can afford this - without having to "ask the boss" (as some of you younger ones refer to your wives). That phrase always amuses me. Never used it myself.

Regards, Rod


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Vondragonnoggin
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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: rodb]
      #4579800 - 05/13/11 03:31 PM

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Quote:



Excellent! Started my savings already. between what I can do now, two bonuses by mid december, I'll be ready. Hopefully a Christmas present for myself.




One (maybe the only) advantage of being old is I have discretionary $$ for these toys. What with taking care of my middle-aged son due to the recession (he only works part time), and no longer running around with women, boy does that ever save big bucks (been there, done that), and having a good pension from working 39 years in my profession, I can afford this - without having to "ask the boss" (as some of you younger ones refer to your wives). That phrase always amuses me. Never used it myself.

Regards, Rod




I'll have to duly concede to you being #2 then Rod. You have the funds already.

I think Markus might have a line forming as soon as one of us adopts the early buy in and reports back with favorable experiences.

No Mrs. dragonnoggin to have to check with here. Have to buy up before that ever changes.


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rodb
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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Vondragonnoggin]
      #4579874 - 05/13/11 04:06 PM

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I'll have to duly concede to you being #2 then Rod. You have the funds already.

I think Markus might have a line forming as soon as one of us adopts the early buy in and reports back with favorable experiences.

No Mrs. dragonnoggin to have to check with here. Have to buy up before that ever changes.




No, Markus will have to assure me (us) that it works to specs as advertised. I'm not gonna play the beta testing game.

Yup, Von, love is wonderful. I've tried it a number of times myself. But there's nothing like the freedom of one's own $$. But then adult marriages typically conduct their finances that way, especially with both partners working and not too dissimilar in salaries, as many professional couples experience. During my marriages , we each kept our own accounts, and just shared mutual bills: mortgages, rents, food, utilities, etc. No woman I was ever with would imagine having to come to me for permission to buy whatever she wanted.

Ok, way off topic - but interesting, no?

Rod


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Scopyfrank
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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4579996 - 05/13/11 05:21 PM

Quote:

the 10" is going on side of a 32" R.C. :-)




I start understanding where it will end up: one day, Binoptic will achieve an bino with 2 APM/LZOS 510mm apos, right?


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4580458 - 05/13/11 10:05 PM

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So, you see you have some great choices at the moment, speak with your wallet :-)




Speak with your product.


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APM M.Ludes
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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: rodb]
      #4580938 - 05/14/11 08:41 AM

Hi Rod

to make it very clear :

we do NOT take deposits !!!

we ask for payment from buyers , after the binoculars are in my hand and after I have tested them and after they are ready for shipping. Then buyers pay and we ship

so there will be no betatesters

have a great weekend


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rodb
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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4581177 - 05/14/11 11:15 AM

Quote:

Hi Rod

to make it very clear :

we do NOT take deposits !!!

we ask for payment from buyers , after the binoculars are in my hand and after I have tested them and after they are ready for shipping. Then buyers pay and we ship

so there will be no betatesters

have a great weekend




Thanks, Markus. Good to know. I didn't mean to impugn your professional integrity (in case you got offended by my last post), just trying as a customer to get the best quality product right out of the box.

Speaking of box , will there be extra sturdy shipping packaging for these APOs more than your normal shipping, considering their extra expense? Along these lines, will these APOs be more sensitive to collimation issues, i.e., can be more easily knocked out of alignment that non APOs? Maybe not, but just wondering. I know you said easy user collimation will be built in, which is great. Would these adjustments be truly simple even for someone who has never done anything like this before?

Will there be an American vendor/servicer for these new APOs?

Sorry for all these questions. I'm a detail person (wrote technical manuals for field meteorologists to use as part of my job), so just trying to get as much info as possible for this potential major purchase, especially since it'll be shipped from overseas.

Regards, Rod


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APM M.Ludes
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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: rodb]
      #4582635 - 05/15/11 04:05 AM

Hi Rod

the binoculars are packed in a nice padet case. The padet case is sorounded by nice styrophom, then packed in a nice strong carton.
About sensitivy of collimation, I can speak only after I have had testing sample and made some tests.
I have a PDF file showing the rough drawing, but I believe here we cannot upload pdf, right ?
you have 2 removable covers at the rear binoside , aside of the eyepiece holder. This you remove and now while you observe you tweak the colimation, its priciple similar working as binocular telescopes from Binoptic, Hutech and others, supereasy even for zero experienced people.
Our service place is Luntoptical in Arizona


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rodb
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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4582946 - 05/15/11 10:26 AM

Hi, Markus,

Thanks very much for your quick and informative replies (and for the separate e-mails).

In "tweaking" the collimation, is it just turning some screws that are revealed inside the eyepiece covers?

Thanks again, Rod


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Jayo
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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: rodb]
      #4583834 - 05/15/11 07:42 PM

I want one too...IF...it is built right, built tough like a KOWA. I bought two 100's from two big name dealers claiming multiple inspection. BS ! Both arrived with prisms misaligned. I couldn't merge both images. I lost my money on the customs, and Can sales taxes...and had to pay to ship them back. Both ordeals cost me 100's of dollars...a waste of my hard-earned money. Optics mean nothing if the mechanics don't hold up. If Markus can come up with a mechanically solid platform like that of KOWA, then I'm in. If not, he should let us know. I don't want to be scammed anymore by cheap Chinese mechanicals from dealers tooting their multiple point inspection. What a rip-off experience.

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Vondragonnoggin
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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Jayo]
      #4584656 - 05/16/11 09:33 AM

Just my two cents here, but I don't think you can get Kowa build quality unless you pay Kowa prices. I think these new ones coming are going to be substantially less money than a prominar Highlander and if you rack up extra ep's for the highlander, there just is no price comparing. Something neat in the binocular forum is a nice shootout with the Kowa Highlander prominar and the APM 100 ED semi-apo. here is a difference of some $4000.00 in product, yet the APM did very well. These new ones will be a step up from those it sounds like.

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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Vondragonnoggin]
      #4584731 - 05/16/11 10:23 AM

The Kowa using a expensive Calcium Fluorite design with a polished quality as you see in a takahashi doublet.Far to good for a binocular. I have never ever seen such quality in any binocular, no matter how expensive and from what company it was made. Such level we can offer only with Binoptic binoculars, who makes a 80/500 doublet and 102 mm F/500 doublet ED-Apo Binocular. The 100 mm is even cheap, around 2500 Euro only.
My strict requirements to this new apo binocular is a usefull power up to about 150 x , a good 100% illuminated FOV ( which is also done )and if ever needet supereasy customers alignment , which is already done in the new design.
The new 100 mm Apo is made by a diffrent factory where we have muchz more influence and a much better quality controle, then on present binocular factorys. In fact it is not even build by a binocular factory, but at a telescope factory.
So we have the chance to tweak it until we are all happy :-)


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rodb
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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4584778 - 05/16/11 10:46 AM

Hi, Markus,

It sounds like you are doing everything possible to bring a new level of "affordable" BT to market. It appears your potential customers can (hopefully) expect terrific design, quality control and your rigorous testing before shipment of each BT. I'm all ears/eyes on the final product's stats, price and performance. Any preliminary info you can provide before finalizing is also highly appreciated, especially weight and size, among the other characteristics. This will go along way, I think, in generating real buying interest for some of us.

I know it's along way off before these APO BTs are available, but people like me love to be "teased" along the way with any info you care to provide.

Regards, Rod


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Jayo
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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: rodb]
      #4699938 - 07/18/11 10:56 PM

Hi Markus
How is the design coming along ?


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FlanaganV
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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Jayo]
      #4908255 - 11/10/11 10:19 AM

Hi all, newcomer to CN and to this thread. Very, very interested in this project, Markus, any Update?

It would be a great gift for Christmas!!

Edited by FlanaganV (11/10/11 03:28 PM)


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