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APM M.Ludes
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real 100 mm Apo Binoculars
      #4533841 - 04/21/11 09:57 AM

as an info for a Tpoic on the Binocular forum, we would like to come up with some first infos about new APM Apo Binoculars 100 mm with interchangable eyepieces:

new real Douplet FPL Apos now in progress, straight modells, 45 modells and 90 modells.This Modells using FPL ED Glas and we required a usefull power up to 150 x and a illuminated circle of about 10 mm.
We have the first optical layout by hand and continue to work on them. It will take some more time before testsamples arrive. If they follow our designs, it will get a great new product, much more expensive then all others, but worth it. We want something in quality of the Myauchi Fluorite Apos and Kowa Highlander Fluorite as a final result, but much less expensive.
We keep you informed about our progress


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4533852 - 04/21/11 10:02 AM

Thanks for the redirect from the binoculars forum to here. There are a good number of us bino enthusiasts that are anxiously awaiting better quality models of 45 and particularly 90 models of 100mm binocular telescopes. I have heard very good things about your service as well. A real doublet Apo BT would be welcomed if it even comes a little close to Miyauchi or Kowa performance and build.

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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4533883 - 04/21/11 10:17 AM



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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Scopyfrank]
      #4533939 - 04/21/11 10:45 AM

Markus, could you estimate the final price to the nearest 1000 euro? Or is it anyway going to be something like the cost of your 105mm Binoptic binoscope? (or more?)

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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Mark9473]
      #4534482 - 04/21/11 02:19 PM

I have no price idea, I can only guess and my guess is, that it could be twice as the others, means around $ 2,000 , but its a guess only from experience.

I have some good hope for the quality


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4534861 - 04/21/11 05:08 PM

Wow, if it lives up to your specifications above that would be an interesting price point. Thanks Markus.

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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Mark9473]
      #4544662 - 04/26/11 05:06 AM

The Optical Design is now completed. We have a 5 mm image circle with 100 % illumination , that is more then any other high end binocular we know and should be a fanatastic result

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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4544680 - 04/26/11 05:28 AM

Will they have the same housing than the existing binos?

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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Scopyfrank]
      #4544941 - 04/26/11 09:12 AM

Any chance of a product in the 90 type available by November this year? Will you have black available as the color the the 100 ED semi-apo 45 models?

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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Vondragonnoggin]
      #4544977 - 04/26/11 09:28 AM

speaking about the housings is to early, I required as lightweight as possible housings.

I required also new focusers

plan is to start delivery in later 2011, yes

color: I am undecited , whats your wishes ? We are free in Terms of color


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4545027 - 04/26/11 09:47 AM

Thank you. Sorry for anticipating.

Re color: mmh, white with red or blue APM logo (like the 6 inch binos)?
Or red Bordeaux to fit on a black/dark red Berlebach azimutal mount (Giro style, with L bracket) and an ash-grey/dark grey Berlebach wooden tripod?
Metallic anthracit would be nice too?
Why not decline it in several, customer choice colors like Astrotech did with their cute 66mm EDs?
Black or metallic silver is nice too but these colors may create confusion with the semi APO and the simple 100m bino that already exist (if that is really an issue?).
Some metallic green could nicely fir with Ethos/Delos eyepieces
Just a few ideas.


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Scopyfrank]
      #4545037 - 04/26/11 09:50 AM

thanks for the ideas,you are right, we should do something nice here and when its time we come back to ask how you like it :-)

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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4545068 - 04/26/11 10:07 AM

Great news. As much as i want it available in black, Frank may be right in not confusing it with the semi-apo 100ED. Would prefer a darker color for sure though. As long as it is not champagne/silver/yellow/pink, I think it will be great. Dark Green/Blue/Gray/Burgundy would be alright. If you can do black, then that would suit too, even if it is the same color as the semi-apo. I would like to see something that disappears more when under dark conditions than my current white BT70/90. I would have preferred that in black too.

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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Vondragonnoggin]
      #4545089 - 04/26/11 10:14 AM

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... I would like to see something that disappears more when under dark conditions than my current white BT70/90. I would have preferred that in black too.




That's certainly much more of an astronomer's argument than my aesthetic ones. On the other hand, slightly brighter color could help to better be instantly aware about the exact orientation of the instrument. White scope tubes (refractors or newtonians) certainly have a reason to be so. Let's wait and see the end result.


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4545488 - 04/26/11 01:03 PM

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I required as lightweight as possible housings




With all due respect, I hope that light weight will not be a trade-off for adequately solid/ruggedly built... I tend to prefer things that are built like a tank, as opposed to lightweight/not as well made... I realize there's a happy spot in there somewhere for all, but just a thought. Just hoping it will be a solid build quality!

One additional thought- how about incorporating rubber plug-covered ports of some sort- or some sort of access to lend easy access to collimation adjustments? Seems there's always a bit of tweaking required- and it's a pain to have to take a plate off with an eyepiece holder on it to give a little tweak, put it back on, and see if you went the right way or not... and to keep having to do that! Man, if you could tweak the adjustments- then look to see the immediate effect, it'd be another whole ballgame!


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Wes James]
      #4546018 - 04/26/11 05:05 PM

Hi Wes

I believe I have more aligned than anybody else, so I am fully with you and your idea, which is a part of my wish list :-)
I do my best to build a very userfriendly model
let see how many of our wished can be fullfilled :-)


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4546034 - 04/26/11 05:19 PM

All the communication over the attempt to get a product like this is much appreciated. Really looking forward to see what comes out of this.

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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Vondragonnoggin]
      #4547080 - 04/27/11 05:03 AM

Highly looking forward, I agree.
May be there will also be an attachment base for small finder or Telrad or GLP or other aiming/pointing device.


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Scopyfrank]
      #4547108 - 04/27/11 05:50 AM

the plan regards finder is to sell it with a optical finder as Myauchi did , you see we think how to get a great product :-)

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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4547385 - 04/27/11 10:27 AM

Wow, Markus-
You're making it like Christmas... writing a letter to Santa!!
Wes


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Wes James]
      #4548981 - 04/28/11 04:15 AM

Markus,
Here are some suggestions as I know people want it:

1- Twist lock eyepiece holder so it will be easy to remove or inserted.
2- Collimation Screws radily available without opening the "CAN"
3- Front Objective cover can be converted as masking when needed.
4- Spacing or placement of a finder or RDF.
5- Incorporated for 3/16 -18 as well as 1/4" hole to be competible for different mounts.
6- A guide about its focal length, Number of elements, Field stop and prism type.
7- Keep the weight low but retain the quality.
8- Buffling in dewshield as well as in the barrel.

The number seven is also importent just as from number 1-6. Most users hesitate to buy heavier instrument because of the mounts they already have it. If the weight is under 13# then it can work with most of the mounts that have rated at around 15#.

For colour; it is purely business. Most attract on White, Black or a hint of red into it but you can setup a page and ask for it.

Once it available; I would love to review for it.
Thank you


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Jawaid I. Abbasi]
      #4549011 - 04/28/11 05:36 AM

Hi Jawaid,

1, eyepiece holders are still under design
2, is done already, design is completed , easy access now from outside while you look with 2 eyes :-), great improvement for anybody.
3, baffles : why baffles ? No binocular worldwide has baffles
4, threads 3/8" and 1/4" is standart
anything else no problem


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4549202 - 04/28/11 08:51 AM

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2, is done already, design is completed , easy access now from outside while you look with 2 eyes :-), great improvement for anybody.







If this thing comes in at under $3000, under 16 lbs, and isn't champagne or silver, I'm on for sure at end of the year. Bonus would be a full or close to full aperture with no obstruction at 90, but so many on the binocular forum have expressed liking their current 45 models, that I would settle for a quality 45 model with no problem also.

Thankfully enough US customers have expressed that buying from APM is really no problem as their are at least two options for US service. Thanks again!


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Vondragonnoggin]
      #4549316 - 04/28/11 10:25 AM

This "little thing" really seems on the right track.

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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Vondragonnoggin]
      #4549501 - 04/28/11 11:48 AM

this binocular will be build as a straight version, a 45 version and a 90 version, all will have 10 mm field with 100% illumination of full aperture !!!!

Edited by APM M.Ludes (04/28/11 11:49 AM)


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4549560 - 04/28/11 12:28 PM

A challenger not only for the former Miyauchis, but also for Docter's Aspectems (straight versions with less aperture). I wonder if for exclusive or main star-observing purpose, the right angled will not be preferred to 45 or straight binos?

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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Vondragonnoggin]
      #4549749 - 04/28/11 01:49 PM

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If this thing comes in at under $3000, under 16 lbs, and isn't champagne or silver, I'm on for sure at end of the year.





$3,000.00 is a lot of money...
I'd probably be in at a $2000.00 ceiling for a 45 degree version.
Wes


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Wes James]
      #4553717 - 04/30/11 03:48 PM

Markus,

Any possibility that these will work with the 20x - 50x Vario eyepieces like the Docter binos on your website?


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Vondragonnoggin]
      #4554707 - 05/01/11 08:38 AM

sorry , no chance , the required infocuse is just to much on this eyepiece , sorry

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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4570210 - 05/08/11 08:16 PM

Hi Markus...

I hereby place the FIRST ORDER...
just let me know how much $$$ to send, and when to send it!

Mike Harvey


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Mike Harvey]
      #4571369 - 05/09/11 01:01 PM

Hi Mike

we do not take any deposit but I am happy to put your name on my notification List for Nr.1

I keep you informed

Edited by APM M.Ludes (05/09/11 01:02 PM)


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4571774 - 05/09/11 04:14 PM

Hi Markus,
Any teaser of this novelty on the ATT near Essen last week-end? I had finally to cancel my trip.


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Scopyfrank]
      #4572598 - 05/10/11 02:01 AM

what do you mean with teaser please ?

BTW I was able to try at ATT if the new Tele Vue Delos works in the 100 mm ED and yes they do well and leave room for screw in filters too


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4572664 - 05/10/11 04:23 AM

Hi,

Kind of pre-production model or project pictures, the kind of commercial objects or photos you "tease" potential clients with
Re: Delos: that's good news.
Thanks.


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Scopyfrank]
      #4577328 - 05/12/11 12:51 PM

Hi, Markus,

You're making it very difficult for me. I've been on the fence between your 100mm ED and the Garrett 100mm. Now I learn about your exciting new 100mm APO coming (near end of this year?).

If the total price with set of good EPs (or of customer choice) and a finderscope or RDF, is not more than $3000, including $200+ for a tripod/mount like Garrett's 5000, then I'm sold. Of course, if the price were closer to $2000, that would be much better.

If it met your design goals and expectations, and it were available today - I'd buy it today!

Please put me on your list (I guess I'd be # 2) for further info and expected delivery times.

If you need to, PM me and I'll send you my e-mail address.

Thank you and regards, Rod

PS - I'm not getting any younger, so please hurry with getting it to market!


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: rodb]
      #4577586 - 05/12/11 03:21 PM

Quote:

Hi, Markus,

You're making it very difficult for me. I've been on the fence between your 100mm ED and the Garrett 100mm. Now I learn about your exciting new 100mm APO coming (near end of this year?).

...




That's part of the game: first I wanted to get the "simple" 100mm bino, the the ED 100mm came out, the there was this 6 inch bino (over 40 pounds !!!), could not make my mind and now I am glad because the real apo 100mm bino is on its way. Where will it stop?
Any apo projects to go the same way for the 6 inch bino?


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: rodb]
      #4577831 - 05/12/11 05:24 PM

Hi Rod

if you want to spend $ 3,000 I am pretty shure we can drop in some very nice eyepiece sets , a mount, a tripod and UHC filters.
drop me a email to anfrage@apm-telescopes.de, so I have your contact datas.


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Scopyfrank]
      #4577849 - 05/12/11 05:31 PM

they have a good controle on small 100 mm versions, but my experiece with 150 mm is mixed. But never say no :-)

you can get my Fuji 25 x150-45 ED, then I ask Binoptic to build me a 150 mm APO BINO WITH LZOS OPTICS.

this week our first 10" LZOS Apo Bino should see first light, the owner has left his 8" Apo Bino for sale , maybe you want ? Now he start dreaming about a 12" LZOS Bino , just like my customer in Peking , who ordered already 50% = 1 OTA 12" APO.

So, you see you have some great choices at the moment, speak with your wallet :-)


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4577884 - 05/12/11 05:55 PM

Quote:

they have a good controle on small 100 mm versions, but my experiece with 150 mm is mixed. But never say no :-)

you can get my Fuji 25 x150-45 ED, then I ask Binoptic to build me a 150 mm APO BINO WITH LZOS OPTICS.

this week our first 10" LZOS Apo Bino should see first light, the owner has left his 8" Apo Bino for sale , maybe you want ? Now he start dreaming about a 12" LZOS Bino , just like my customer in Peking , who ordered already 50% = 1 OTA 12" APO.

So, you see you have some great choices at the moment, speak with your wallet :-)





I could speak to my wallet, but not sure it will answer my questions?
10" apo bino: OMG, what kind of mount will bear that one?
The Fuji is 45, not sure that I'll be happy with that one, and AFAIK, you can't change eyepieces.
Well, as you know my current needs for portability, these beauties are not for me now.
Scope manufacturer/vendor: what a beautiful job!
Some pics for 10 inch apo bino first light to come?
Greetings.


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4577972 - 05/12/11 06:56 PM

Quote:

Hi Rod

if you want to spend $ 3,000 I am pretty shure we can drop in some very nice eyepiece sets , a mount, a tripod and UHC filters.
drop me a email to anfrage@apm-telescopes.de, so I have your contact datas.




Hi, Markus,

I sent you an e-mail.

Rod


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: rodb]
      #4578539 - 05/13/11 01:15 AM

Rod, you'll have to be on the #3 spot. My email was sent awhile ago.

I think for weight and portability, 100mm is perfect.

Now I am really looking forward to it if we can get mount, tripod, UHC filters and a couple great eyepiece sets for $3000. I know there is nothing definite yet on price, but a package bundle like that would be pretty awesome for an apo BT if it turns out it can be done.

Somehow I don't think any other instrument would see much starlight after buying this one. well, maybe for planetary and globulars or an occasional peek at dust and gas up close, a big scope will still get pulled out, but 95% of the time would be the apo BT.

Crossing my fingers for full illumination in the 90 model.


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Scopyfrank]
      #4579326 - 05/13/11 12:09 PM

the 10" is going on side of a 32" R.C. :-)

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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Vondragonnoggin]
      #4579329 - 05/13/11 12:11 PM

I have the optical layout and beams on my computer and yes the 90 is fully illuminated

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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4579541 - 05/13/11 01:48 PM



Excellent! Started my savings already. between what I can do now, two bonuses by mid december, I'll be ready. Hopefully a Christmas present for myself.


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4579543 - 05/13/11 01:49 PM

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I have the optical layout and beams on my computer and yes the 90 is fully illuminated




Be still my heart. Now if the bino weight can be kept to less than 15-16#, and maybe the whole package to no more than about 30#, that would further help my decision. Sure, I want sturdy, but portability is still a priority for me (and, I suspect, many BT buyers).

Von, I duly concede to your being #2. #3's not bad for a "young"/old goat.

Rod


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Vondragonnoggin]
      #4579562 - 05/13/11 01:58 PM

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Excellent! Started my savings already. between what I can do now, two bonuses by mid december, I'll be ready. Hopefully a Christmas present for myself.




One (maybe the only) advantage of being old is I have discretionary $$ for these toys. What with taking care of my middle-aged son due to the recession (he only works part time), and no longer running around with women, boy does that ever save big bucks (been there, done that), and having a good pension from working 39 years in my profession, I can afford this - without having to "ask the boss" (as some of you younger ones refer to your wives). That phrase always amuses me. Never used it myself.

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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: rodb]
      #4579800 - 05/13/11 03:31 PM

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Excellent! Started my savings already. between what I can do now, two bonuses by mid december, I'll be ready. Hopefully a Christmas present for myself.




One (maybe the only) advantage of being old is I have discretionary $$ for these toys. What with taking care of my middle-aged son due to the recession (he only works part time), and no longer running around with women, boy does that ever save big bucks (been there, done that), and having a good pension from working 39 years in my profession, I can afford this - without having to "ask the boss" (as some of you younger ones refer to your wives). That phrase always amuses me. Never used it myself.

Regards, Rod




I'll have to duly concede to you being #2 then Rod. You have the funds already.

I think Markus might have a line forming as soon as one of us adopts the early buy in and reports back with favorable experiences.

No Mrs. dragonnoggin to have to check with here. Have to buy up before that ever changes.


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: Vondragonnoggin]
      #4579874 - 05/13/11 04:06 PM

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I'll have to duly concede to you being #2 then Rod. You have the funds already.

I think Markus might have a line forming as soon as one of us adopts the early buy in and reports back with favorable experiences.

No Mrs. dragonnoggin to have to check with here. Have to buy up before that ever changes.




No, Markus will have to assure me (us) that it works to specs as advertised. I'm not gonna play the beta testing game.

Yup, Von, love is wonderful. I've tried it a number of times myself. But there's nothing like the freedom of one's own $$. But then adult marriages typically conduct their finances that way, especially with both partners working and not too dissimilar in salaries, as many professional couples experience. During my marriages , we each kept our own accounts, and just shared mutual bills: mortgages, rents, food, utilities, etc. No woman I was ever with would imagine having to come to me for permission to buy whatever she wanted.

Ok, way off topic - but interesting, no?

Rod


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: APM M.Ludes]
      #4579996 - 05/13/11 05:21 PM

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the 10" is going on side of a 32" R.C. :-)




I start understanding where it will end up: one day, Binoptic will achieve an bino with 2 APM/LZOS 510mm apos, right?


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      #4580458 - 05/13/11 10:05 PM

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So, you see you have some great choices at the moment, speak with your wallet :-)




Speak with your product.


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      #4580938 - 05/14/11 08:41 AM

Hi Rod

to make it very clear :

we do NOT take deposits !!!

we ask for payment from buyers , after the binoculars are in my hand and after I have tested them and after they are ready for shipping. Then buyers pay and we ship

so there will be no betatesters

have a great weekend


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      #4581177 - 05/14/11 11:15 AM

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Hi Rod

to make it very clear :

we do NOT take deposits !!!

we ask for payment from buyers , after the binoculars are in my hand and after I have tested them and after they are ready for shipping. Then buyers pay and we ship

so there will be no betatesters

have a great weekend




Thanks, Markus. Good to know. I didn't mean to impugn your professional integrity (in case you got offended by my last post), just trying as a customer to get the best quality product right out of the box.

Speaking of box , will there be extra sturdy shipping packaging for these APOs more than your normal shipping, considering their extra expense? Along these lines, will these APOs be more sensitive to collimation issues, i.e., can be more easily knocked out of alignment that non APOs? Maybe not, but just wondering. I know you said easy user collimation will be built in, which is great. Would these adjustments be truly simple even for someone who has never done anything like this before?

Will there be an American vendor/servicer for these new APOs?

Sorry for all these questions. I'm a detail person (wrote technical manuals for field meteorologists to use as part of my job), so just trying to get as much info as possible for this potential major purchase, especially since it'll be shipped from overseas.

Regards, Rod


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Re: real 100 mm Apo Binoculars new [Re: rodb]
      #4582635 - 05/15/11 04:05 AM

Hi Rod

the binoculars are packed in a nice padet case. The padet case is sorounded by nice styrophom, then packed in a nice strong carton.
About sensitivy of collimation, I can speak only after I have had testing sample and made some tests.
I have a PDF file showing the rough drawing, but I believe here we cannot upload pdf, right ?
you have 2 removable covers at the rear binoside , aside of the eyepiece holder. This you remove and now while you observe you tweak the colimation, its priciple similar working as binocular telescopes from Binoptic, Hutech and others, supereasy even for zero experienced people.
Our service place is Luntoptical in Arizona


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      #4582946 - 05/15/11 10:26 AM

Hi, Markus,

Thanks very much for your quick and informative replies (and for the separate e-mails).

In "tweaking" the collimation, is it just turning some screws that are revealed inside the eyepiece covers?

Thanks again, Rod


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      #4583834 - 05/15/11 07:42 PM

I want one too...IF...it is built right, built tough like a KOWA. I bought two 100's from two big name dealers claiming multiple inspection. BS ! Both arrived with prisms misaligned. I couldn't merge both images. I lost my money on the customs, and Can sales taxes...and had to pay to ship them back. Both ordeals cost me 100's of dollars...a waste of my hard-earned money. Optics mean nothing if the mechanics don't hold up. If Markus can come up with a mechanically solid platform like that of KOWA, then I'm in. If not, he should let us know. I don't want to be scammed anymore by cheap Chinese mechanicals from dealers tooting their multiple point inspection. What a rip-off experience.

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      #4584656 - 05/16/11 09:33 AM

Just my two cents here, but I don't think you can get Kowa build quality unless you pay Kowa prices. I think these new ones coming are going to be substantially less money than a prominar Highlander and if you rack up extra ep's for the highlander, there just is no price comparing. Something neat in the binocular forum is a nice shootout with the Kowa Highlander prominar and the APM 100 ED semi-apo. here is a difference of some $4000.00 in product, yet the APM did very well. These new ones will be a step up from those it sounds like.

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      #4584731 - 05/16/11 10:23 AM

The Kowa using a expensive Calcium Fluorite design with a polished quality as you see in a takahashi doublet.Far to good for a binocular. I have never ever seen such quality in any binocular, no matter how expensive and from what company it was made. Such level we can offer only with Binoptic binoculars, who makes a 80/500 doublet and 102 mm F/500 doublet ED-Apo Binocular. The 100 mm is even cheap, around 2500 Euro only.
My strict requirements to this new apo binocular is a usefull power up to about 150 x , a good 100% illuminated FOV ( which is also done )and if ever needet supereasy customers alignment , which is already done in the new design.
The new 100 mm Apo is made by a diffrent factory where we have muchz more influence and a much better quality controle, then on present binocular factorys. In fact it is not even build by a binocular factory, but at a telescope factory.
So we have the chance to tweak it until we are all happy :-)


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      #4584778 - 05/16/11 10:46 AM

Hi, Markus,

It sounds like you are doing everything possible to bring a new level of "affordable" BT to market. It appears your potential customers can (hopefully) expect terrific design, quality control and your rigorous testing before shipment of each BT. I'm all ears/eyes on the final product's stats, price and performance. Any preliminary info you can provide before finalizing is also highly appreciated, especially weight and size, among the other characteristics. This will go along way, I think, in generating real buying interest for some of us.

I know it's along way off before these APO BTs are available, but people like me love to be "teased" along the way with any info you care to provide.

Regards, Rod


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      #4699938 - 07/18/11 10:56 PM

Hi Markus
How is the design coming along ?


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      #4908255 - 11/10/11 10:19 AM

Hi all, newcomer to CN and to this thread. Very, very interested in this project, Markus, any Update?

It would be a great gift for Christmas!!

Edited by FlanaganV (11/10/11 03:28 PM)


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      #4908881 - 11/10/11 04:04 PM

no update yet, if we would work such super slow, as they do, my business would be closed 20 years ago :-(

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      #5285349 - 06/23/12 01:53 PM

during my visit in China last week, I also have had a meeting with the 100 mm Apo-Binocular maker. They still working on some details how to make it most stable against misscollimation and the new idea is excactly what I was waiting for.

the actual forecast for release of this new Apo Binocular is around end of the year 2012


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      #5456206 - 10/05/12 08:25 AM

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the actual forecast for release of this new Apo Binocular is around end of the year 2012




Hi Markus;

Any further news?

Tx.
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      #5456327 - 10/05/12 10:37 AM

some weeks ago I got the info, end of the year is still realistic

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      #5456479 - 10/05/12 12:29 PM

Great news Markus...thanks!
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      #5538633 - 11/25/12 12:14 PM

Still hoping for this one....

I will keep following your posts. Great job on the 6" ED scope too. That one didn't appeal to me at first when F/8 was decided, hoping for shorter, but after looking at specs and weight, that is an amazing offering.

Hoping this apo bino will deal with up to 80x power without too much collimation issues. I think normal use at 22x - 50x should make for hours and hours of enjoyment in a night.


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      #5538643 - 11/25/12 12:17 PM

Any updates on predicted price? Still going to offer 90 degree model?

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      #5538782 - 11/25/12 02:03 PM

the 100 mm Apo Binoculars will come straight, 45 and 90, and designed to handle power up to 150 x ...but still working on them

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      #5539808 - 11/26/12 04:43 AM

new info this morning from my manufacturer:

Some of molds already finished, some of optical parts are ready also, but we still have some of parts are making, if moving well, final sample will be ready at the end of February or March.

Markus, binoculars project is much difficult than telescope, which need spend time for tooling, especially die cast tooling.


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      #5838897 - 05/03/13 06:49 PM

Hi Markus, do you have an update on this bino? thanks

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