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Re: From the Editors Desk: A tale of two astronome new [Re: Bob W6PU]
      #1092718 - 08/13/06 03:33 PM

Excellent article and discussion, helped me to understand better a number of things, thank you everyone!

For me the main moral of this story is in attitude towards happiness in general.

Alfred is a happy, secure person and he is going to stay happy no matter what, he always looks at the bright side and makes best use of whatever is available to him. There are hard moments in his life but he copes with them well and promptly returns to his normal happy state when everything is well and he is in peace with himself and world around him.

Steve, on the other hand, is not a happy person. He wants to be happy but his attitude towards life will not allow this to happen. Steve cannot be just happy. He must know that there are absolutely no reasons at all to be unhappy. If such a reason exists he must find it and do something about it. Then he might become a happy man but not before. If he can't see anything wrong he starts looking for it. Not because he wants to become unhappy, of course not, he just wants to make sure that everything indeed is well. Than of course he finds something, it is just a question of time. He is always just one step away from obtaining that last thing which stays between him and happiness If he obtains it, it works as a short term fix which does not last long and than everything starts again. Steve's life is a constant struggle, there are bright moments in his life but they don't last long as he is always quick to start yet another fight with circumstances.

And here are several possible Alfred/Steve scenarios:

Alfred have been using his 90mm f/10 achromat for over a year now. He is aware of the limitations of his telescope but that does not bother him. Planets don't look good at magnifications over 130X? Well,he does not push it above that! Limited light grasp? Well, it's plenty of bright objects to look at! Chromatic aberration? Well, he can finally see what his science teacher was talking about! Shaky mount? Well, at least he can lift the whole thing with one hand. Alfred is a happy observer and enjoys his hobby. In the future he might buy a better telescope or he might stick to what he has. If he does - he'll enjoy it, if he does not - he'll never loose excitement about astronomy and will carry on observing with his first telescope.

Steve have been using his 90mm f/10 achromat for over a year now. He is aware of the limitations of his telescope and believes that they turn his telescope in completely useless piece of junk. Planets don't look good at magnifications over 130X? But everyone knows that minimum useful magnification for planets is 150x! Limited light grasp? Of course it is, everyone knows that 150mm is the absolute minimum for observing DSOs! Chromatic aberration? How a telescope which shows a bright halo around Vega and Venus can of any use at all! Shaky mount? How can you see anything if you have to wait whole 3 seconds before vibrations go? Steve is not a happy observer and believes that he would enjoy astronomy only if he had better equipment. In the future he might buy a better telescope or he might stick to what he has but he'll never be happy because it always going to be something to be complain about.

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Alfred's set-up is already offering best possible image quality but he is always searching for a way to improve it. He talks to telescopes manufactures and optical designers and relentlessly tests new eyepieces. His choice of observing site depends on a wind direction. His observing list is short and contains only objects which he is really obsessed about. When conditions are poor for his main targets he is looking at other objects and calls it "casual observing" even if he is looking at mag. 12 galaxy or running out of fingers while counting craterlets inside Plato. His prompt to return to his main list as soon as conditions improve. Alfred has a bunch of observing friends and they are even worse than him. They all push each other and fiercely compete trying to find a new way to improve performance of their optics. When one of them gets ahead the rest is just as happy because newly found knowledge is shared and everyone benefits from it. Alfred is a happy observer. He loves night sky and has a special interest in a particular area. He is always happy about his equipment but will never stop trying to push it just a tiny bit further. He always appreciates work of designers and manufacturers but never stops hoping that one day things will get even better.

Steve already has the most expensive set-up in his club but he is always searching for a way to improve it. He is always just a step behind his ideal. His telescope is not bad but ideally he would like to have an extra inch of an aperture. His eyepiece collection is OK but he has a horrible gap between 27mm and 25mm and that really hindered his observing last night. Overall performance of his telescope is not bad but he looked at M31 through a new telescope one of the club members just bought and realised how much he was messing. His observing list consist of 10 objects because that is all he needs to evaluate optics and it's never enough time for anything else. Steve is not a happy observer and will never be. By setting up conditions for happiness he ensures that he will never reach it. It is always extra inch of an aperture his does not have, extra item for his eyepiece box he needs, darker skies or better seeing he does not have and so on.

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Alfred is obsessed about optics. He was buying and selling telescopes for last five years and at some point simply lost count. He started with achromat, than bought Newtonian, that Shmidt-Cassegrain, than Maksutov-Cassegrain, than Maksutov-Newtonian, than he went back to Newtonian, than tried apochromat and now is about to try Dall-Kirkham. He never got round to test Shmidt-Newtonian and heard something about Klevtsov-Cassegrain which he'd like to try one day as well. He is testing different eyepieces all the time and wrote article analysing various designs. He can spend hours talking about comparative performance of two eyepieces and insists that there are no universal solutions, each telescope works best with certain design which should be selected carefully. He is the person that makes useful and meaningfully contributions to "refractor vs. reflector" debates. He is happy to observe with whatever telescope he currently has. He just sold 18" dobsonian and waiting for a delivery of 10" Maksutov. In the meantime he is spending night after night observing M31 with 3" f/15 refractor and is writing a new article on light grasp and resolution. Alfred is a happy observer and is going to stay happy no matter what telescope he ends up with. He appreciates differences between designs and will never complain about lack of light grasp of a small refractor, colour in achromat, secondary obstruction in newtonian, cool-down issues of large catadioptric or a price of an eighth inch triplet. His main obsession is optics but he also manages to make a lot of interesting observations in the process and often he can see more than many dedicated observers. He is going to continue his experiments for a long time.

Steve is obsessed about optics. He was buying and selling telescopes for last five years and at some point simply lost count. His first telescope was achromat but he did not like the colour. His second telescope was a Newtonian but he could not live with the tube currents. He bought eight inch Shmidt-Cassegrain but why nobody told him this thing needed so much time to cool down! Than he bought four inch apochromat but sold it because it was not gathering enough light. Then he learned about ways to speed up the cool down time of large compound telescope and bought 11 inch Shmidt-Cassegrain. This time it was too big. He bought 6" f/15 Maksutov but did not like narrow field. He bought 80mm apochromat but once again was too low on light. He bought 16" Dobsonian but once again had to put up with the size and cool down time! Plus field of view has gone again! And with the eyepieces situation was even worse. He is buying and selling them all the time and at least five are advertised for sale at any given time. He has got four large eyepiece cases and can never remember the content. He never does any observing because he is too busy deciding on equipment. Once he has found his ideal set-up he'll start observing but until than he is too busy trying and testing. Steve is not a happy observer. His target is "ideal set-up" but he does not know what it is nor what he wants to observer with it so it's not likely that he will ever reach it. There is a hope for him however, if one day he gets tired of constant equipment swap (or runs out of money!) and actually begins to observe he might find that he actually already has got everything he needs and life is not so complicated after all!

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Alfred is a big Dobsonian guy. He has an 18" f/4.4 monster and loves it! It is big, heavy and takes a bit of time to disassemble so it can fit a boot of his small car. None the less he is happy to accept it all as he knows that the views this telescope will offer just cannot be matched by anything smaller. He understands why many people choose more portable setups but he also knows that not many of them will ever get to see the true beauty of some objects. He is a one happy observer.

Steve is a big Dobsonian guy and does not enjoy it. He bought his 20" f/4 monster and does not like it. It's too big, too heavy, too hard to collimate and it is just not enough clear nights to justify keeping such a beast. Steve is not a happy observer but cannot accept idea of loosing a light grasp. Idea of smaller and lighter dobsonian appeals to him but as soon as he looks at the advert for a 12" model he starts calculating mirror area and comes up to a conclusion that such a tiny mirror will never do. He needs at least 14", but than 16" is only a bit bigger and not that much more expensive... And wait a second, 18" is also just a tiny bit heavier, but than again if you for 18” why not to consider 20”? Wait a second, I've got an idea! May be if a bought 22" inch version the increased light grasp would convince me to observe more often! Let's make it 24" just to be sure and that's it! Even bigger and heavier telescope is on its way. Steve will not use it all and will keep complaining about cold, wind, clouds or luck of time but he'll never be to slow to point out how his new 24” would outperform any 80mm...

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And so on, and so on

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Re: From the Editors Desk: A tale of two astronomers new [Re: asaint]
      #1092768 - 08/13/06 04:00 PM

Allister,

Thanks for writing such a thought provoking article. This is problably the best thread I've ever read on Cloudy Nights.

The contrast in your story between Steve and Alfred is fairly stark; black and white. As most things in life there is usually a gray area. Most of us on Cloudy Nights probably are a hybrid of Steve and Alfred. I come to the conclusion that we should not judge one side to be right and the other wrong, there are merits to both.

There is one point I would like to bring up. We can take great enjoyment from this hobby with only meager equipment. Sometimes we assume that the person with the best, most expensive equipment is the more knowledgeable astronomer. That is often times not the case as the story points out. I frequently chuckle to myself when the frequent poster on Cloudy Nights asks advise on upgrading his eyepieces. The advice is almost always to get a $300 eyepiece, or maybe even two or three to "fill in the gaps." Who is giving that advice; all the "Steve" astronomers on this forum. Think about it-how often does an Alfred step in and say stay with the equipment you have, it will serve you fine?

We may think we are an Alfred but in reality there are probably not many pure Alfreds on this forum.

Thanks again for starting this discussion.

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Re: From the Editors Desk: A tale of two astronomers new [Re: RRaubach]
      #1092951 - 08/13/06 06:20 PM

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I suppose that I'm sorry for BOTH Steve and Alfred. What drew me to this hobby is the sheer beuaty of the night sky, in addition to the philosophical reasons. I am a physical chemist by profession, but I have always been an astronomer for the sheer love of it.




I think you said it.

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Re: From the Editors Desk: A tale of two astronomers new [Re: reflector74]
      #1093670 - 08/14/06 07:45 AM

The point I attempted to make with these "hobby" posts is;

My friend Lenny who reads bodybuilding magazines, takes and posts about cutting edge supplement but doesn't lift weights - is he a bodybuilder?

I who collect and test boxing gear and post about it - am I a boxer?

Steve who collects and tests astronomy equipment - is he an astronomer?

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Re: From the Editors Desk: A tale of two astronomers new [Re: asaint]
      #1093699 - 08/14/06 08:34 AM

It seems to me that this excellent story describes the two types of astronomers, those that like to look through their scopes and those who like to look at their scopes.

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Re: From the Editors Desk: A tale of two astronomers new [Re: asaint]
      #1093746 - 08/14/06 09:22 AM

Quote:

The point I attempted to make with these "hobby" posts is;

My friend Lenny who reads bodybuilding magazines, takes and posts about cutting edge supplement but doesn't lift weights - is he a bodybuilder?

I who collect and test boxing gear and post about it - am I a boxer?

Steve who collects and tests astronomy equipment - is he an astronomer?

Allister




Ohhhhh, now we're starting to tread on some mushy ground.

"Astronomer"?
That's gotta have a very wide ranging definition, if we include the sort of casual stargazing that most amateurs enjoy doing. If Steve looks at celestial objects during his test sessions and makes some mental notes about what he's seeing in the sky, then I'd say he can be considered an amateur astronomer of sorts. At the very least a "stargazer". Pretty much on the fringe of the hobby.
But, it's kinda hard to say, considering that we don't know exactly what's going through Steve's mind when he's observing with a scope... and Steve is a fictional character in a parable.

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Re: From the Editors Desk: A tale of two astronomers new [Re: Clive Gibbons]
      #1093940 - 08/14/06 11:35 AM

I would have to say that Steve is either an astronomer or physicist in this case. Anyone with enough curiousity to conduct tests has some scientist in them!

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Re: From the Editors Desk: A tale of two astronomers new [Re: asaint]
      #1094019 - 08/14/06 12:40 PM

Quote:

The point I attempted to make with these "hobby" posts is;

My friend Lenny who reads bodybuilding magazines, takes and posts about cutting edge supplement but doesn't lift weights - is he a bodybuilder?

I who collect and test boxing gear and post about it - am I a boxer?

Steve who collects and tests astronomy equipment - is he an astronomer?

Allister




If his purpose behind viewing a double star or globular cluster is to test the capacity of his equipment, I'd say no, he's not an astronomer. He's a technician.

Such a dichotomy (Alfreds and Steves) is useful for illustrating points in a discussion, but I have to admit that I have not yet met any amateur astronomers who were just Alfred, or just Steve. I identified most strongly in a previous post with Alfred, and I hold to that. But when I'm just getting started on a session I almost always have some "chores" to do, involving new equipment or some adjustment I hope will make observing easier. From the other end, the most gear and technology oriented amateur astronomer I know here in Tucson is also one of the most accomplished observational astronomers I've ever met. I'm closer to Alfred than to Steve; this fellow is much closer to Steve than to Alfred. We both say "Wow!" a lot while at the eyepiece.

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Re: From the Editors Desk: A tale of two astronome new [Re: desertstars]
      #1094036 - 08/14/06 12:51 PM

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If his purpose behind viewing a double star or globular cluster is to test the capacity of his equipment, I'd say no, he's not an astronomer. He's a technician.




I dunno whether he's an astronomer or not (that's too deep for me), but if he's choosing the equipment and the tests, and interpreting the results himself, he's not a technician. The guy who replaces your brake pads is a brake technician. Burnham, performing astronomy-related tasks under the direction of astronomers, was an astronomy technician.

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Re: From the Editors Desk: A tale of two astronomers new [Re: asaint]
      #1094142 - 08/14/06 01:48 PM

Quote:

The point I attempted to make with these "hobby" posts is;

My friend Lenny who reads bodybuilding magazines, takes and posts about cutting edge supplement but doesn't lift weights - is he a bodybuilder?

I who collect and test boxing gear and post about it - am I a boxer?

Steve who collects and tests astronomy equipment - is he an astronomer?

Allister




There once was a more-used name for having an interest in something but lacking the actual *doing* that defines an actual participant in an active endeavor--"armchair" whatever. To me it is misleading to call someone a boxer if they do not, in fact, *box*. It's why we have qualifying adjectives, for instance...a "boxer" who once boxed but no longer does is a former boxer. A person who has an interest in watching boxing is a boxing fan. A person who collects boxing gear is a boxing equipment collector. A person who studies boxing is a boxing student, etc. The only way to be a plain old boxer--is to get out and box! Studying something and actually doing it are certainly never the same experience and failing to differentiate that simply leads to confusion and misunderstanding.

Pursuits which involve significant physical effort as a defining criteria usually have their participants defined by doing the act the noun implies. One can be a student of bodybuilding without doing any bodybuilding of course--but to be a bodybuilder one would be expected to be doing some of it! Someone calling themselves a motorctycle racer who does not actually race motorcycles would most likly be considered to be misrepresenting themselves, especially by those who actually *do* race motorcycles.

If one beigins to appropriate the noun used for describing the doer for any interested non-participant, then what noun is left to describe the actual doer? Do they become a "boxing boxer"? A "bodybuilding bodybuilder">?


Applied to this hobby, it can get difficult as the basis defining participation has not only changed over the years--one can be an astronomer these days and never ever look through a telescope (like most professionals) but that wasn't always the case. The definer of participation has become doing the science, more of a cerebral participation instead --and the equipment used is simply appropriate to the level of inquiry and so secondary in importance to the cerebral level of doing the science--more the technician's turf actually. So to be accurate I'd call Alfred a visual amateur astronomer. I'd call Steve an optical gearhead because he reminds me of some wannabe dragracer--always looking for that last bit of mechanically sourced edge to guarentee a win before ever actually entering his first race.

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Re: From the Editors Desk: A tale of two astronomers new [Re: photonovore]
      #1094195 - 08/14/06 02:18 PM

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Pursuits which involve significant physical effort as a defining criteria usually have their participants defined by doing the act the noun implies. One can be a student of bodybuilding without doing any bodybuilding of course--but to be a bodybuilder one would be expected to be doing some of it!




Guess I'm a bodybuilder... but lack of activity is building the wrong part of my body.

Re-reading Allister's parable, I'm growing more convinced that Steve is a very rare individual.
Early in the description of Steve's activities, it's mentioned "Steve spends the first month learning both the constellations and looking for the issues with his scope...".
But, a bit later on, this becomes "He hasn't learned the constellations or bright stars yet as he was field testing the sucker telescope for his first month in the hobby." This situation appears to continue (Steve's complete ignorance of things astronomical) as he carries on testing and testing.
So, if Steve is actually completely ignorant of what he's looking at and his entire involvement in the hobby consists of pointing his latest scope at unknown stars to determine it's optical quality, then I'd have to say Steve isn't so much an astronomer (or casual, beginning stargazer), as an optical nutbar.

Fortunately, I've never run into anybody as far gone as Steve...
Maybe he's so rare as to be non-existent?

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Re: From the Editors Desk: A tale of two astronomers new [Re: photonovore]
      #1094228 - 08/14/06 02:39 PM

I love that story! I check the Cloudy Nights Telescope Review site every now and then just to see what's new out there, but after I bought a good selection of quality eyepieces I realized I had pretty much everything I need already. My 6" f/5 Newtonian has been pooh poohed by numerous big spenders in these forums but I still get a great deal of enjoyment out of it after owning it for one year now. The main thing that keeps me going in the hobby is my CDROM star atlas and my desire to learn the sky. I use my Deep Sky Observer's Guide for ideas about good target objects for a small aperture 'scope. Then I check out my star atlas to see what's up tonight. I make my observing plan for the night and print out star maps for each object I want to "bag". Once I get my 'scope outside and roughly polar aligned, I start visually star hopping using my star charts. It gets easier with practice. I've realized that a motor drive is a luxury but not a necessity. I see a great deal of "keeping up with the Joneses" going on in these forums, and if you enjoy spending alot of money on the latest and greatest thing out there I think that's great. But I'll be honest with you and admit that I quit reading these forums months ago. The only thing that got me back here was the Tale of Two Astronomers article. There's a great deal of wisdom there.

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Re: From the Editors Desk: A tale of two astronomers new [Re: asaint]
      #1094268 - 08/14/06 02:57 PM

Thanks for article that prompted this worthwhile discussion, Allister!

Now that I know your boxing interest I'll make sure to stop calling you Alistair...

Best, Jay

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Re: From the Editors Desk: A tale of two astronomers new [Re: gordon]
      #1094360 - 08/14/06 04:02 PM

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It seems to me that this excellent story describes the two types of astronomers, those that like to look through their scopes and those who like to look at their scopes.




In that case alone, Allister makes a startlingly true point! For me personally, what I see THROUGH my scopes completely upstages what I think the scope looks like on the outside. Who cares in the end about the latter.. And to me, and telescope is not a piece of furniture decoration. We all appreciate a fine looking scope for sure, but I'd rather be outside looking through what I own and what performs the best for my needs.

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Re: From the Editors Desk: A tale of two astronomers new [Re: Clive Gibbons]
      #1094428 - 08/14/06 04:38 PM

Points out the fundamental difference between the optics being a means to an end (observing) and the optics being the main focus themselves. It seems to me that refractors seem to bring out the latter more than other types of optics. To some, stargazing is a way of checking out the diffraction patterns of their optics.

Hopefully a little of both is ideal...each is a worthwhile pursuit.

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Re: From the Editors Desk: A tale of two astronomers new [Re: Mr. Bill]
      #1094484 - 08/14/06 05:12 PM

Another thought.....what happens when astrophotgraphy requires no input from the individual. The hardware and software is seamless and requires no human intervention to obtain perfect images. Where is the sense of individual accomplishment?

I saw this when staying at New Mexico Skies this May.....completely automated robotic systems owned by wealthy remote "observers."

As a purely visual observer, it gives one pause to see where the future of amateur astronomy is going.

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Re: From the Editors Desk: A tale of two astronomers new [Re: Mr. Bill]
      #1094518 - 08/14/06 05:24 PM

They are astronomers too. Probably more so than the guy that just tests the optics of his system.

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Re: From the Editors Desk: A tale of two astronomers new [Re: spaceydee]
      #1094563 - 08/14/06 05:52 PM

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They are astronomers too. Probably more so than the guy that just tests the optics of his system.




I think it points out the difference between being actively and passively involved in the activity. It certainly points out a difference in the process.

Whether one is "better" than the other is debatable; that there is a fundamental difference is not.

What is the difference between playing baseball and watching it on TV?

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Edited by Mr. Bill (08/14/06 05:55 PM)


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Re: From the Editors Desk: A tale of two astronomers new [Re: Mr. Bill]
      #1094610 - 08/14/06 06:21 PM

The thing about the robotic scope observers (haven’t seen any robotic observers yet) is that many of them are DOING a lot – either high end imaging, or even ‘better’ or ‘more useful’ on my subjective astro-karmic scale, some kind of research like VSO, ALPO participation, NEA searches, occultation tracks, etc…

And that type of work may be remotely controlled, but it’s not passive at all – just highly technical vs. hands-on-dob, and it includes almost all professional astronomy.

Sky and Telescope has good articles every so often on professional-amateur collaboration which describe how amateurs can do ‘real’ astronomy much better than I’m trying to say here. Electronic imaging opened up many new ways for amateurs to be involved and some satellite programs (Hipparcos? SOHO or NEAT comet discoveries? gamma bursts, others?) put some traditional amateur tasks in a new perspective.

I confess feeling a tiny twinge of conscience for mostly looking and saying ‘wow’ without any sort of diligent note-taking or sketching, let alone imaging or research participation, etc...


I count outreach opportunities when I do at least share the pretty views as offsetting the guilty twinge that comes from not doing ‘real astronomy’ instead of just ‘stargazing’.

This thread has highlighted thoughts eveolving from reading all CN forums over the last several months - to make me resolve to start and stick with a logbook and try sketching…

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Re: From the Editors Desk: A tale of two astronomers new [Re: Mr. Bill]
      #1094617 - 08/14/06 06:29 PM


There are all sorts of "shades of grey" here. I was hoping to be a professional astronomer when I was an undergrad - ended up doing theoretical space plasma physics instead.. However I imagined myself as that "professional astronomer" being at the helm of a large telescope behind a computer. Not exactly the same as our amateurs with their fancy photo equipment, but like I said, there are all these shades of grey. I think anyone who is inspired enough by the heavens to participate to any degree deserves the title amateur astronomer whether they like it or not There's far too few of us to nit-pick.

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