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KennyJ
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I seem to recall a brief mention of this topic cropping up before on this board , but if so , cannot find it right now .
So at risk of asking one or two members to repeat themselves , does anyone have any comments or opinions on the following claims by Minox of Germany ?
http://www.minoxuk.co.uk/pdf%20files/Argon.pdf
Regards , Kenny
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Mark9473
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some of it is certainly relevant, and some is not.
The choice of gas by itself does not affect the rate of ingress of oxygen or water molecules. The only relevant parameters here are the barrier (i.e. how "airtight" is the item for that particular molecule) and the difference in partial pressure of the gas inside and out.
I'm not sure if the graph showing the diffusion of argon vs nitrogen, takes into account that the partial pressure difference for nitrogen is minimal (100% vs 79%) while for argon it is not (100% vs <1%). I'm not syaing it isn't, but there's no indication it is.
In my view, the real and existing benefit of argon is that it is better at removing the air from the binoculars in the gas-flushing process.
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refractory
Pooh-Bah
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How does this stack up against Freddie V Jason, or Godzilla V Mechagodzilla?
Growing legumes inside the barrels would also remove the air- no need to flush (though the powers that be might feel the need for this post....).
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grbrown
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I have read the link and by their own admission Argon is rare, whereas Nitrogen is with us in the atmosphere in substantial quantities, hence, presumably, easily extracted. 
Minox do not adequately explain the benefits of Argon to convince me that the use of it is worthwhile, or the effort and expense of producing it justified! 
In fact I am more likely to avoid them for being so wasteful in using a scarce resouce unnecessarily! 
Anyone had problems with Nitrogen-filled bins? 
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Graham
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Joad
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Here's the thread you were thinking of, Kenny: Argon
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Mark9473
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Graham, the Earth atmosphere contains about 100,000,000,000,000 tons of Argon (give or take) - I'm sure Minox is not about to deplete it.
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Mark
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KennyJ
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Thanks Joad !
I knew it wasn't THAT long ago , relatively speaking :-)
Regards to you , Kenny
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Two eyes and a preference to use both
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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Joad
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Regards back to you, K! And very sorry to hear about your Zeiss crash. Glad to hear that it still works, which is what counts. I'm obsessive about such matters, but I'm improving.
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Glassthrower
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Quote:
very sorry to hear about your Zeiss crash
Huh? What did I miss? Did your Zeiss spotter take a tumble Kenny?
Clear dark skies...
MikeG
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Joad
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See "Skymaster Crash to the Ground" for the chilling tale of Kenny's Zeiss-to-Earth experience. But beware: it will make strong men weep, and make weak men buy Tasco!
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