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Blind-Cyclops
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Are there any star parties only for binoculars?
If so ... where and when?
-------------------- Clear skies...
Duncan
"Watch the skies, everywhere! Keep looking. Keep watching the skies!"
-- Closing line in movie spoken by newspaper report Ned "Scotty" Scott (Douglas Spencer) in the Sci-Fi movie
"The Thing From Another World", RKO Radio Pictures, 1951.
Antares (refractor) 127mm f/6.45. w/2-spd Crayford
Orion (Maksutov) 150mm f/12 w/2" EP adapter
Giro 3 (twin), 18" pier, EQ5 tripod.
Garrett 20x80mm, 410 head, 055 tripod.
Edited by Blind-Cyclops (08/17/06 09:19 PM)
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Joad
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I seem to recall seeing online references to "binosaurs" gathering together, but I think the best way of finding a binocular star party is to contact a local astronomy club and see if any of the members who have astro-binos would like to organize a special session.
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edwincjones
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Several years ago we tried to get a group gettogether on the BinocularAstronomy yahoo group and a few of us went to Okie-Tex-I went with my 25x150s, another with 10x70 & 16x70, one with Nikon 20x120s, maybe one more and we found someone there with twin 5" refractors made into a binoscope.
Other than that, I am not aware of any specific binoculars star parties. Will more and more large binocs their presence are growing, but still a very small component of the larger star parties.
edj
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Rich N
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Now and then a few of us bino-nuts get together to observe the night sky.
Rich
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Phillip Creed
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I think I remember reading a post somewhere about a "Binocular Section" at the Texas Star Party. Now just imagine letting the 150mm 'Nons loose at THAT spot.
Clear Skies, Phil
-------------------- "Why suffer from insanity when you can revel in it?"
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John F
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Loc: Washington State
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I don't know of any that are formally organized in the NW part of the US where I live. However, the group of quys I usually go observing with now all have at least one nice pair of 70mm binoculars, a Unimount Light Deluxe, a LaFuma recliner and a Tele Vue apo refractor with a TV Bino Vue. When we all go together the "dream team" of 60mm and 70mm binoculars are all on the same field.
One night down at Mt. Saint Helens we did a binoculars-only night and it was relaxing to never have to get up out of the LaFuma recliner and the observing was great as well. I suspect we will do more of those types of star parties in the future altough it is hard to leave apo refractor/bino vue combination at home given some of the things it can do so much better than our binoculars.
When I now go on my summertime observing excursions at far away very dark sky sites, I usually do a pair of back-to- back all-nighters then return home both exhausted and with my observing thurst quenched for about a month. On my last trip this July I tried a new approach to observing. On my first night I did nothing but observe with binoculars and enjoyed that very much and on the second night I just observed with the telescope or telescope/bino vue combination. That method worked well and it is easier than alternating back and forth during the same night between different pairs of binoculars and the telescope.
Perhaps in future years I may try to organize a regional binocular star gaziers party here in the Northwest, but my job keeps me too busy right now to even want to think about something like that. Also, I generally prefer to observe alone or with a small group of not more than about 5 - 8 people. Right now I'm very satisfied with my current gear and there isn't another telescope, mount, eyepiece or binocular that I would really like to have to either replace something I presently have or to supplement it. However, if I ever got the chance to look through a pair of the Nikon 20x120s, Fujinon 25x150s or 40x150s then I know that it would drive me crazy afterwards debating whether or not to get a pair regardless all other practical considerations.
I don't smoke or do drugs. I'm mature enough that I drive carefully. I drink and cuss but both quite moderately. I don't womanize or physically or verbally abuse anyone that I care about. My profession as a Computer Systems Analyst requires/develops logical thinking. Two of my other interests (philosphy and psychology) further enhance my skills in the areas of rational thinking and in self-knowledge. But, show me a good optic and my powers of resistance just evaporate. Knowing this on the one hand and being content with the gear I have now on the other, I think I prefer not to know what I may be missing. So ironically that gives me a good reason not to want to go to a binocular star party where I might get a chance to look through the super giant Nikon and Fujinon binoculars. And for me it isn't just the cost issue. Even if those Nikon or Fujinon binoculars were obtainable for half their current prices I'd still resist them (unless/until I looked through them) because of their size, weight and the hassle factor of storing them, transporting them, setting them up and taking them down.
John Finnan
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Glassthrower
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My 25x100 binoculars are probably the biggest binoculars in Terrebonne parish! Seriously. We don't have many astronomers around here, and the binoculars I have seen are in the 50mm range. I am dying to take a look through the GIGANTO-NIRVANA-GLASS (Fujinon 150mm, Miyauchi 141mm) just to experience the views. As for spoiling the enjoyment of my lesser glass after experiencing the big elite binoculars, I'm not worried about that. If someone let you drive their Ferarri around for a day, you'd still need to drive your own Toyota to work the next, so why not take the wild ride when given the chance?
I am happy with my binocular rig right now - the Raytheon Heavy surveyor tripod, AstroWood HD parallelogram, and Stellarvue RDF. Optically, I am not satisfied with my current big binocular. Once I can finally replace this 25x100 Skymaster with a 22x85 or 20x110 Garrett, then I will feel sufficiently "buck" to bring my rig out to a real star party. Right now, I suffer from a case of "gear inferiority"....I wouldn't want to dirty up the field by setting up a pair of Celestron Skymasters amongst the likes of the Kowa Highlander, Fujinon 150, or Miyauchi Galaxy.
However, a big pair of Grizzlies/Ultras would give me the gusto I need to pretend with the big boys...
Long rambling answer to the original question : I've never been to a binocular star party (or any big star party), but I would like to and plan to.
Clear dark skies...
MikeG
-------------------- Michael Gilmer - Member of the Meteoritical Society & Collector of Falling Stars.
Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Specializing in exotic and rare meteorite falls.
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Blind-Cyclops
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Loc: Kitchener, ON, Canada
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Hello John F,
WOW. Thanks for the very nice report John. It sounds like your bino excursions are very satisfying. Many people on CN may take your advice and try your schedule of binos the first night and the scope on the second. The schedule seems like it is very relaxing -- sitting or laying down with nice wide views for satisfying and soothing the soul while pondering how small Earth and humans really are... (how lucky we are to exist in this huge expanse of hostile space). And on the second night with the scope for a little excitement of being up-close-and-personal with some DSOs from a couple billion miles away.
I think for some folks your kind of individual or small group observering parties are a nice quiet way to conduct astronomy -- your personal choice. Others may like the slightly more crowded carnival style of star parties, and thats ok too.
I think there are enough dedicated binocular folks, and enough folks who use both binos and scopes routinely, that they would come out to a few well placed all bino star parties across North America. I'm sure the bino manufactures would love to see bino-parties spring up. Maybe if a couple thousand more "super-binos" (binos with eyepieces) could be sold each year the prices would become more affordable. Who nows -- maybe the wave of the future IS bino-scopes -- with telescopes going the way of the dinosaurs. However, right now bino-viewers are a nice option for the scope-folks. For those of us, either by choice or by the price tag, choose to stay dedicated to our comfortable and trusty binoculars, its a nice way to conduct astrononmy.
SO..... WHO WANTS TO HAVE A BINO PARTY ?
-------------------- Clear skies...
Duncan
"Watch the skies, everywhere! Keep looking. Keep watching the skies!"
-- Closing line in movie spoken by newspaper report Ned "Scotty" Scott (Douglas Spencer) in the Sci-Fi movie
"The Thing From Another World", RKO Radio Pictures, 1951.
Antares (refractor) 127mm f/6.45. w/2-spd Crayford
Orion (Maksutov) 150mm f/12 w/2" EP adapter
Giro 3 (twin), 18" pier, EQ5 tripod.
Garrett 20x80mm, 410 head, 055 tripod.
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Blind-Cyclops
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Hi there Mike G,
You should feel no "gear inferiority" in owning your SkyMaster binos. I love my "new" month-old SkyMaster 15x70s, and I don't care if they are SkyMasters. They perform very well for me and for the price I've paid. If I have to pay 2-3 times more to get 10 percent more in performance -- it isn't worth it -- even to own an "elite name." Hundreds of others have expressed their happiness with their SM15x70s right here for all to see -- and proudly list them in their signatures. They are simply grrrrrreat.
Because of my 15x70s, I've now been smitten by Moon-shine-lunacy. Therefore, I'm struggled with a whole new set of decisions for what I want to observer (Moon and/or DSO) which affects which scopes I place on the short list... decisions-decisions. I may never get a scope -- maybe only bigger binos...
-------------------- Clear skies...
Duncan
"Watch the skies, everywhere! Keep looking. Keep watching the skies!"
-- Closing line in movie spoken by newspaper report Ned "Scotty" Scott (Douglas Spencer) in the Sci-Fi movie
"The Thing From Another World", RKO Radio Pictures, 1951.
Antares (refractor) 127mm f/6.45. w/2-spd Crayford
Orion (Maksutov) 150mm f/12 w/2" EP adapter
Giro 3 (twin), 18" pier, EQ5 tripod.
Garrett 20x80mm, 410 head, 055 tripod.
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edwincjones
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Duncan,
Good luck. When I have tried in the past I was only marginally successful. CNers are all over the world with binos users in Europe, Asia, Austrailia, etc. It is difficult to get a group together.
I am interested, but time and distance are realities I have to deal with. Set it up, maybe we will come.
edj
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edwincjones
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My above note is too negative.
I think the easiest way to set up a binocular star party is to try for a "binosection" at an established star party like a note above said about a binocular section at TSP. Decide who is intersted and try to pick a star party that is central to the majority. For me, Okie-Tex was best (see my note from several days ago). You can have a very good time with a few observers.
edj
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edwincjones
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cont again
TSP and WSP are too difficult to get in, Okie-Tex and Nebraska are central (US), as is your StarFest The NW and NE star parties would be regional
edj
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John Flannery
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Hi all,
The Irish Astronomical Society used to have a Binocular Users Group (BUGs as disinct from the MOGgies - Moon Observer Group ) The group met once a month to just scan the sky amongst friends and learn a bit about binocular observing. As was said above, it'd be hard have a binocular-only star party but certainly a series of workshops along with a section of the observing field devoted to binocular observing would be a runner. Not sure if any of the established star parties would consider slotting in binocular workshops and talks? In a way, people tend to travel to the star parties for the talks, swap-meets, etc. but learning more about binoculars would be a bonus!
atb,
John
-------------------- Oscail do Shuile D'iontas na Cruinne/Open Your Eyes to the Wonder of the Universe
Bliann Idirnáisiúnta Réalteolaíochta 2009/International Year of Astronomy 2009
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Phillip Creed
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Quote:
My 25x100 binoculars are probably the biggest binoculars in Terrebonne parish! Seriously. We don't have many astronomers around here, and the binoculars I have seen are in the 50mm range. I am dying to take a look through the GIGANTO-NIRVANA-GLASS (Fujinon 150mm, Miyauchi 141mm) just to experience the views. As for spoiling the enjoyment of my lesser glass after experiencing the big elite binoculars, I'm not worried about that. If someone let you drive their Ferarri around for a day, you'd still need to drive your own Toyota to work the next, so why not take the wild ride when given the chance?
Mike,
I distinctly remember an experience like that at the 2002 Hidden Hollow Star Party (Mansfield, OH). I brought my 16x80s there, and from a dark sky that's quite a bit of firepower...
...then we came across Kevin B. He brought the 150mm Astromeccanica binoscope with him. Talk about an incredible view! I looked through my 16x80s after that it suddenly felt like someone had handed me a BB-gun after firing a bolt-action rifle! It's kind of like this:
150mm binoscope: (just dumbfounded silence, broken only by the sound of jaws hitting pavement) 16x80: whimper, whimper, sad puppy face...
I think that one of the reasons why there haven't been many bino-star parties is because in years' past 50mm was about as high as the majority went, with 70 or 80mm being the max. Now, 100mm binoculars have become affordable enough that it's CRASHING the prices of the 70- and 80mm glasses. Additional downward pressure on price would be anticipated once the 110-mm models hit the streets.
There are specialty star parties, too. One of the threads in the refractor forum is about a 6" APO "shootout" in West Texas. Once enough 100mm+ models become available, and especially if larger glasses (is a BT-120 really that far off?) from China become available, we're talking enough firepower under dark skies for something truly special. So perhaps an organized binocular star party has serious hope.
Clear Skies, Phil
-------------------- "Why suffer from insanity when you can revel in it?"
Wilderness Center Astronomy Club member since 1995
ICQ Comet Observer Code: CRE01
*****
16" f/4.5 Truss Dobsonian (FOR SALE!!)
Orion 120mm ST Refractor
23mm Axiom LX
13mm Nagler Type 6
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1.75X Siebert Barlow
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edwincjones
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SO AGAIN-WHO WANTS A BINOCULAR PARTY ? (the thread is dying)
I would consider comming next year, depending on time and location-but this year is booked.
edj
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Blind-Cyclops
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OK -- HERE IT IS...
------------------------- ------ Last Minute ------ ------------------------- --- BINO STAR PARTY --- --------- FREE ---------- -------------------------
October (27-28 -- Fri-Sat.) ALSO -- in case of cloudy nights/bad weather... November (17-18 and/or 24-25)
Just outside Kitchener, Ontario, Canada 10 minutes off our major 4-lane Highway #401
Anyone interested in showing up... please leave a message here... we'll see how many are really interested. -------------------- If we get 10 people listed here -- I'll make a new Posting specifically for the party. -------------------- Plenty of motels/hotels nearby -- I'll get a list together. Plenty of restaurants nearby too. -------------------- I'll post more info here as I can pull it together.
-------------------- Clear skies...
Duncan
"Watch the skies, everywhere! Keep looking. Keep watching the skies!"
-- Closing line in movie spoken by newspaper report Ned "Scotty" Scott (Douglas Spencer) in the Sci-Fi movie
"The Thing From Another World", RKO Radio Pictures, 1951.
Antares (refractor) 127mm f/6.45. w/2-spd Crayford
Orion (Maksutov) 150mm f/12 w/2" EP adapter
Giro 3 (twin), 18" pier, EQ5 tripod.
Garrett 20x80mm, 410 head, 055 tripod.
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Blind-Cyclops
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Hi Folks,
For those thinking of attending this first bino gathering... I think one of the topics we can discuss is a Bino Observer's Certificate for RASC.
A second topic could be Youth Observer's Cerfiticate(s) either one or a group -- intro-sampler-explorer, moon, deep sky.
-------------------- Clear skies...
Duncan
"Watch the skies, everywhere! Keep looking. Keep watching the skies!"
-- Closing line in movie spoken by newspaper report Ned "Scotty" Scott (Douglas Spencer) in the Sci-Fi movie
"The Thing From Another World", RKO Radio Pictures, 1951.
Antares (refractor) 127mm f/6.45. w/2-spd Crayford
Orion (Maksutov) 150mm f/12 w/2" EP adapter
Giro 3 (twin), 18" pier, EQ5 tripod.
Garrett 20x80mm, 410 head, 055 tripod.
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Loren Toole
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Just in support of star party BINOCULAR SECTIONS at established events, this year (my first at the Texas Star party in late April) I was faced with a tough choice: attend with my camping gear and binos or don't attend at all. I opted to take my 10x70s and 15x60s. Of course, I was surrounded by large scopes on all sides, there were actually quite a few binos mainly 80s and 100s nearby. Several people had bino chairs to mount their instruments on, I just used mine handheld or with a light monopod.
This was actually the best of all options, I saw incredible views all night with my equipment, occasionally looked through 12-16" scopes but stayed with my planned observing program. Conclusion: this can work fine if you can ignore aperture envy. I was so thrilled with the views in my binos as compared my normal backyard views, the issue never came up.
-------------------- My binos: Nikon 7x35/8x40, Fuji 10x70, Obie 15x60, Barska 20x80
My scopes: 5"f5 newt, 4"f5 TV Genesis, 3"f9, 3"f5
ARCO OBSERVATORY 7400'
Edited by Loren Toole (08/22/06 09:40 PM)
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Blind-Cyclops
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That's great Loren,
Isn't it nice to know you can be one of the group and still be slightly different, yet not feel out of place. Glad to hear you had a good time and enjoyed the better views. It sounds like there are enough bino folks attending star parties so "we" don't feel out of place.
Just curious as to whether folks were asking for peeks in binos as well as scopes?
The wide views binos give are surely the attraction for many, to see so many stars you don't normally see. Even using a wide angle eyepiece in a scope you don't get the same sense of the huge expanse as you do in binos. Hope you have more enjoyable events.
-------------------- Clear skies...
Duncan
"Watch the skies, everywhere! Keep looking. Keep watching the skies!"
-- Closing line in movie spoken by newspaper report Ned "Scotty" Scott (Douglas Spencer) in the Sci-Fi movie
"The Thing From Another World", RKO Radio Pictures, 1951.
Antares (refractor) 127mm f/6.45. w/2-spd Crayford
Orion (Maksutov) 150mm f/12 w/2" EP adapter
Giro 3 (twin), 18" pier, EQ5 tripod.
Garrett 20x80mm, 410 head, 055 tripod.
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Loren Toole
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Duncan There was more than enough equipment to go around for everyone, yes, we swapped views between 16" reflectors and 70mm binoculars. Actually, this just confirmed the superiority of binos (for me) when certain objects are involved. The Veil Nebula was obvious in my Fujis but hard to identify in the larger scopes. I was often more excited about the bino's wide field views in many cases, and I had VERY minimal equipment in comparison optically.
Loren
-------------------- My binos: Nikon 7x35/8x40, Fuji 10x70, Obie 15x60, Barska 20x80
My scopes: 5"f5 newt, 4"f5 TV Genesis, 3"f9, 3"f5
ARCO OBSERVATORY 7400'
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