NairB
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This is a quick review of my new Strathspey 15x70 binoculars. I am lead to believe that these come from the same family as Garrett 15x70s and possibly Oberwerk 15x70s
Below, I have included links so you can see the bino's.
I ordered them on Monday of this week and due to courier company problems, I eventually received them this morning, otherwise they would have arrived on Wednesday. Not to worry, they got here in one piece and boy, am I happy.
Let me just say John at Strathspey is a pleasure to deal with.
I am comparing these binoculars with the Celestron Skymaster 15x70's I had so much trouble with. So lets get started...
Packaging -
They arrived in a black cardboard box, surrounded in bubble wrap and the box was inside the courier bag.
I would have liked to see more padding inside and outside the package just to be extra safe but this is a minor critism.
Visual Inspection Of Bino's Body & Lenses -
This actually blew me away. The body is rubber coated, looks and feels solid. No indication of any damage what so ever to the barrels.
The bit that blew me away was my inspection of the lenses. Clean and Scratch free, they are Fully Multicoated giving a green/purple color and when I tried to see a reflection of my face on the objectives....nothing....just a dark outline of my head and that was difficult to see.
Further inspection of the Strathspey's looking down the barrels via the objective lens, I could see the same color coatings on the lenses down at the prisms etc verifying to me that these bino's have coatings on all of its glass. Wonderful!!!
The same tests on the Celestron Skymasters had shown minute scratches on the objectives and I could see the detailed reflections of my entire face, eyes nose etc even although these are meant to be multicoated.
So Fully Multicoated and just Multicoated makes quite a difference and the Strathspeys win this test hands down!!!
The diopters are clean and no obvious scratches can be seen.
Focusing Mechanisms -
The right diopter needed to be adjusted well into the minus in order to get my right eye focused, same as Celestrons and the center focus wheel is tight but that's good as I feel the focus wont shift when using the bino's. So no great issues here.
Collimation -
Spot on. Absolutely no issues as far as I can see. My eyes do not need to refocus/adjust after looking through the bino's and I can see the image is level both horizontally & vertically relaxing my eyes 4 inches back from diopters.
The Celestrons on the other hand were a total nightmare and in one extreme case the images had crossed over.
Performance - Daytime -
Bright, clear and nicely focused. There are no serious distortions across the field until you look at the out most edges where the image bends very slightly and starts to blur. I expect this to be perfectly honest in bino's this price range. The image field through the left eyepiece seems to be slightly worse than the right, especially when looking at the field right of centre where it starts to blur around 70% out getting slightly worse going right towards the edge. No great problem as far as I am concerned as the centre of the field is wonderfully clear and this blurriness isn't that bad as to greatly distract your viewing, in fact, its barely noticeable.
I could not see any color defects at this time as it is quite dull and overcast at this time here in bonnie Scotland.
Performance - Nightime -
Will UPDATE this section when I get a clear night.
Conclusions For The Time Being -
Again, I will update this section when I can but so far, the Strathspeys are definite value and anyone looking for a low budget Big Bino, these are the real deal at a UK snip of £95 incl P&P.
Links To Photo's - (note that these pictures dont show the wonderful coatings on these lenses you see under normal light conditions because of the flash!!)
http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1010136iw9.jpg
http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1010137eo8.jpg
http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1010138yk3.jpg
http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1010140xa8.jpg
Thanks...NairB
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Strathspey 15x70's FMC - Amazing cheap bino for the price. Bright, natural color/contrast, sharp, and well collimated. Best for Daytime viewing 
Celestron Skymaster 15x70's MC - Field of view has a Smoky/Brown tint making them less bright during daytime viewing BUT this doesn't seem to affect night time viewing...Testing against the Strath's continues!!!
Oberwerk Lightweight 20x80mm FMC - Arrived - Had to collimate them. Undergoing tests.
Edited by NairB (11/17/06 09:50 AM)
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edwincjones
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Thank you for the review-70mm binoculars are a good size for astronomy and there are many options.
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KennyJ
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Thanks for the update Nair .
I'm very pleased for you , and this report will do no harm for the reputation of John and Strathspey !
Hope you get some clear night skies soon :-)
Regards , Kenny
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If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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grbrown
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Well done! Our BTs came from John too. We have also visited him and he is a great pleasure to do business with. 
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NairB
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Hi All,
An update to the review above regarding the Strathspey 15x70. I had intended to write it in the original post but there is a limited edit time set for posts.
Performance - Night Sky -
Well I got a clear sky last night with a little light pollution but still very clear indeed.
The stellar objects where bright and clear through both barrels but I could see that there are slight distortions when viewing the brightest objects.
This makes me feel the need to adjust the focus all the time particularly when there are two stars side by side, one brighter than the other. Is this chromatic distortions??
Otherwise the binoculars perform well looking at the rest of the sky when stars are side by side that are equal in brightness and I have noticed they seem to pick out RED stars, which is wonderful.
The sharpness across the entire field in both barrels is the binos strongest attribute - very clear and in focus throughout, maybe slight distortion at the very outermost edges of the field to be honest.
In comparison to the Celestron Skymasters I had, I am certain I can see more coloured objects with the Straths and sharpness across the entire field is more consistent.
There is less internal reflections inside the barrels due to the FMC optics.
BUT the one thing the Celestron Skymasters has got over the Straths is the overall object sharpness. I reckon that the Straths FMC has degraded the overall sharpness in image quality in comparison to the Skymaster's MC, although not by a great amount by any means.
I am considering purchasing a pair of 15x70 Skymasters AGAIN just to do this comparison.(I Know, I'm crazy).
Overall, between the two binoculars I have looked through, the Strathspey win hands down for overall performance and the fact I didn't have any issues with collimation etc.
Where they gain by having FMC optics, is seeing Red Stars, less internal reflections etc but they lose in overall image sharpness in my opinion....but not by any great amount.
The Skymasters have MC optics, slightly sharper image quality but bad internal reflections and poor collimation. Sharpness across the entire field is less consistent too.
Edited by NairB (12/09/06 11:17 PM)
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sftonkin
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This is a quick review of my new Strathspey 15x70 binoculars. I am lead to believe that these come from the same family as Garrett 15x70s and possibly Oberwerk 15x70s
Yup, they are identical to the Oberwerk (both come from Kunming Optical).
I'm glad that my experience of dealing with John at Strathspey appears to be the norm.
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NairB
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Folks,
I have just purchased another pair of Celestron Skymaster 15x70's to compare the color & contrast with my Strathspey or(Oberwerk, Garrett) 15x70's and the difference is immediate!!!
It has also been bugging me how much of a difference FMC optics have over just MC optics.
After all the problems I had with the Skymaster's in the past I got a "perfect" set this time round....after I splash the cash on another make!!!!! Was worth it though.
Anyways, as I mentioned, the entire field color/contrast between both sets is COMPLETELY different.
The Skymasters give a tinted brown like contrast across the entire field of view in daylight, similar to wearing spectacles with a slight tint through them. This is something I hadn't noticed with these binos before.
The Strathspey's are life like and true to color when looking through them, with no tint or false color/tint making them brighter in contrast.
This has satisfied my curiosity on the immediate difference between the MC Skymasters & the FMC Strathspey's.
I now need a clear night sky to see what stars I can or cannot identify between them.
I know the Strath's will see red stars etc but the real question is just how many more faint stars will the Strath's show over the Skymasters????
Will keep you updated.
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Strathspey 15x70's FMC - Amazing cheap bino for the price. Bright, natural color/contrast, sharp, and well collimated. Best for Daytime viewing
Celestron Skymaster 15x70's MC - Field of view has a Smoky/Brown tint making them less bright during daytime viewing BUT this doesn't seem to affect night time viewing...Testing against the Strath's continues!!!
Oberwerk Lightweight 20x80mm FMC - Arrived - Had to collimate them. Undergoing tests.
Edited by NairB (12/22/06 06:54 AM)
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I was literally just heading out to buy a pair of skymasters to take on holiday next week, when I logged on to look at Edz's post on testing binos in the shop and saw your thread. Think I'll hang on and make do with my 10x42's till you get a chance to report your night time findings. 
Merry Christmas!
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NairB
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I was literally just heading out to buy a pair of skymasters to take on holiday next week, when I logged on to look at Edz's post on testing binos in the shop and saw your thread. Think I'll hang on and make do with my 10x42's till you get a chance to report your night time findings.
Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas to you Sgt 
Sgt, The difference in brightness and natural color is unbelievable. I have spent the last couple of hours since my last post comparing them over and over and the Strath's win hands down right across the board. I'm certain my night viewing will only verify what I already know!!!
If your in UK then go for the Strath's, if your in USA or Canada go for the Oberwerks or Garretts as they are the same stock bino.
Failing that buy BOTH sets to see for yourself the difference....night and day as they say 
Will keep you posted, hopefully I will get a clear sky over the weekend at some point 
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Strathspey 15x70's FMC - Amazing cheap bino for the price. Bright, natural color/contrast, sharp, and well collimated. Best for Daytime viewing
Celestron Skymaster 15x70's MC - Field of view has a Smoky/Brown tint making them less bright during daytime viewing BUT this doesn't seem to affect night time viewing...Testing against the Strath's continues!!!
Oberwerk Lightweight 20x80mm FMC - Arrived - Had to collimate them. Undergoing tests.
Edited by NairB (12/22/06 09:29 AM)
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This has satisfied my curiosity on the immediate difference between the MC Skymasters & the FMC Strathspey's.
I thought i read somewhere that the Skymasters were also fully multi-coated, but i guess that can't be right as the box says only 'multi-coated'. Hmmm...
This is a great thread by the way, keep going with the comparison, it is very helpful. I've been thinking about moving on from my 15x70mm Skymasters to either the Strathspey 20x90mm or 22x100mm so thanks for the heads up on the quality.
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KennyJ
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I've been toying with the idea of adding a 20 x 80 to my modest collection for a considerable period of time , but a few months ago , when I'd almost set my sights on a Strathspey , I noticed there is no 20 x 80 Strathspey model available , but only a 20 x 90 !
Regards , Kenny
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If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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JohnnyC
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Thanks for the review NairB.
It was partly the comments in this thread and partly a pointer from Kenny in another thread that led me also to buy a pair of the Strathspey 15x70 a few days ago as a means of "upgrading" a pair of Helio 15x70 I already owned. Unsurprisingly(!) the weather has been diabolical since and I have only had a very brief opportunity to test it. However, initial views were most encouraging. Thanks.
John
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KennyJ
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Johnny ,
Forgive me if I've already forgotten ( it's been a busy week or two ! ) but have you been able to compare the FMC Chinese Strathspey 15 x 70s to the FMC Japanese Helios 15 x 70s in ANY shape or form , yet ?
If so , any comments ? ( apart from the obvious eye relief factor , which is almost as diabolical on the Helios as the recent fog is for binocular use ! )
Regards , Kenny
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If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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JohnnyC
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Kenny,
Not in any meaningful way because I've ownly been able to try the Strathspey out for a few minutes one night. Forecast is bad for the next few days, so it may not be until the middle of next week before I get to have a longer look. My intial impression, however, was that the Strathspey was sharper, easier to focus and with fewer aberations. I do want to stress though that this was a very quick viewing.
On the other side, I do think the Helios is better built and personally I prefer the leatherette finish to the rubberised finish of the Strathspey - which I am not convinced at this stage will be quite as durable.
John
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KennyJ
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Thanks Johnny ,
I can't make my mind up either about whether or not I PREFER a rubberised finish to pebble vinyl , or leatherette .
I like the feel of the Nikon SE though , and Swarovski ELs !
Regards , Kenny
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If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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NairB
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Hi folks,
Well no clear sky last night but I thought you would like an update anyway looking through both sets for general night time viewing with no stars but lots of street lights & lovely colored christmas lights in the city.
I am fortunate as I live on a slight hill looking down onto the city so I have lots of excellent landmarks to aim the bino's at.
I have already mentioned that there is an immediate difference in brightness, natural color during the day, however, this is NOT the case at night, much to my surprise. The Celestrons turned into a different beast altogether!!
Although this was not ideal testing conditions as there was lots of light pollution, I still had various objects etc to point at in the meantime.
Both sets performed extremely well indeed and it actually took me alot of comparing to get a fair judgement between them.
OK so how did they do? The Strath's did marginally show brighter images and in particular, picked out the various different colored street lights easily, ie the white lights seemed more white etc.
Luckily, because its Christmas, there is an abundance of those neon type deep blue and red bulbs everywhere and again the Strath's seemed to absorb these colors slightly better than the Celestrons to a point where the little bulbs where seen in detail. Can I stress here that the Strath's were only SLIGHTLY better than the Celestrons!!
A red neon sign above a cinema in the city was clearly legible with the Strath's with no effort but the Celestrons was able to do the same after a little movement of the focus etc.
The Celestrons do have one thing over the Strath's. For some reason, they are better at eliminating internal barrel reflections when the binos are aimed at an object away in the distance with a bright street light between you and the object, below the field of vision but not in the vision if you understand me. Why could this be?? Both bino barrels have the same black coatings inside and the Straths are FMC. Is it because the Celestrons being MC, reflect this light outside the bino and the Strath's being FMC absorb it??
Contrary to what I said in previous posts, both binos are equal in focus & sharpness of image. I can say this as fact now that I possess both bino's and not recalling from memory as I was doing when I wrote in posts further up in the thread!!
Anyways, the real test will be pointing the binos up into a clear dark starry sky to see the advantages of FMC over MC.
Even although the Strath's are without doubt winning in overall clarity, especially at day time....the good old Celestrons came very very close during this night time test.
Oh can I add, Celestron have improved the packaging and now new Skymaster's are boxed with foam things at the sides of the bino's and a foam thing between the two barrels...hip hip hooray. Maybe this is why I finally got a set that are perfectly collimated for a change 
Will keep you updated the next clear sky I get
Edited by NairB (12/23/06 04:06 AM)
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KennyJ
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Nair ,
Thanks for the update .
From what you've concluded thus far , it seems it would be just as easy to find two specimens of the SAME model with more perceived differences !
Regards , Kenny
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If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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NairB
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Nair ,
Thanks for the update .
From what you've concluded thus far , it seems it would be just as easy to find two specimens of the SAME model with more perceived differences !
Regards , Kenny
Hi Kenny, I don't quite get what you mean, can you expand??
I'm trying to see the difference between FMC & MC. A specimen of the same model will not tell me this.
I am also trying to explain the performance of these two binos, not from a technical point of view but more of what I exactly see as I look through them. I have near perfect eyesight and I feel my observations will be spot on.
I'm also trying to give as many scenarios as possible, again commenting what I see rather than any technical data(professor Edz is the man for that) 
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Strathspey 15x70's FMC - Amazing cheap bino for the price. Bright, natural color/contrast, sharp, and well collimated. Best for Daytime viewing
Celestron Skymaster 15x70's MC - Field of view has a Smoky/Brown tint making them less bright during daytime viewing BUT this doesn't seem to affect night time viewing...Testing against the Strath's continues!!!
Oberwerk Lightweight 20x80mm FMC - Arrived - Had to collimate them. Undergoing tests.
Edited by NairB (12/23/06 12:29 PM)
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KennyJ
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Hi Nair ,
What I meant was that anyone could buy TWO outwardly identical models of binoculars , meaning literally of the same name , and STILL get the impression that one of them eliminates reflections and / or absorbs colours better than the other .
Based upon a combination of HANDS - ON experiences and even more upon reading thousands of posts from other experienced users , I think there is FAR more specimen variation from one to the next , even amongst very expensive binoculars and scopes .
Hope that helps to clarify my point , Nair !
Regards , Kenny
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If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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NairB
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Hi Nair ,
What I meant was that anyone could buy TWO outwardly identical models of binoculars , meaning literally of the same name , and STILL get the impression that one of them eliminates reflections and / or absorbs colours better than the other .
Based upon a combination of HANDS - ON experiences and even more upon reading thousands of posts from other experienced users , I think there is FAR more specimen variation from one to the next , even amongst very expensive binoculars and scopes .
Hope that helps to clarify my point , Nair !
Regards , Kenny
LoL I edited my post above just as you posted Kenny. I do agree with you and believe me, your experience in this subject far exceeds me by light years. BUT, As I touched on above is that if something is blatantly obvious then I will mention this(without doubt)....if there is slight differences I might(in this case, like you say, might be subjective) although I try to be absolutely sure.
The internal reflections are blatantly obvious as is the difference in color/contrast when viewing during daytime.
I am going to try and take a photo of these differences if I can because they are so obvious, only thing is, can my little digital camera do the job.
One thing is certain. Both these binos might look the same, weigh the same but optically they are very different beasts. I would love yourself or professor Edz to see this for yourselves and give a head to head technical comparison(Skymaster Vs Strath/Garrett/Oberwerk) as these in my opinion are the two 15x70 budget binos folk will be looking to buy.
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Strathspey 15x70's FMC - Amazing cheap bino for the price. Bright, natural color/contrast, sharp, and well collimated. Best for Daytime viewing
Celestron Skymaster 15x70's MC - Field of view has a Smoky/Brown tint making them less bright during daytime viewing BUT this doesn't seem to affect night time viewing...Testing against the Strath's continues!!!
Oberwerk Lightweight 20x80mm FMC - Arrived - Had to collimate them. Undergoing tests.
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Steve B
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Can you tell me what the distance is between the outer edges of the objectives of the Strathspey 15x70 when in viewing position. I'm considering buying them to use with the Binoflex mirror mount but thought they might be too wide for the mirror. Thanks.
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JohnnyC
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Steve,
If I understand you correctly and you actually mean the edge of the "objectives", I measure it at about 20.2cm. This is with the barrels at their widest. Because of the rubber armouring though, the equivalent distance to the "outside" of each barrel is another 1cm. Hope that helps.
John
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Steve B
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Thanks for that John. The width of the Binoflex mount mirror is also 20.2cms.
Steve
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NairB
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I agree with JohnnyC at 20.2cm on both the Strath's and Celestrons.
I'm still waiting for a clear sky!!
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Strathspey 15x70's FMC - Amazing cheap bino for the price. Bright, natural color/contrast, sharp, and well collimated. Best for Daytime viewing
Celestron Skymaster 15x70's MC - Field of view has a Smoky/Brown tint making them less bright during daytime viewing BUT this doesn't seem to affect night time viewing...Testing against the Strath's continues!!!
Oberwerk Lightweight 20x80mm FMC - Arrived - Had to collimate them. Undergoing tests.
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Steve B
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I still don't fully understand how you use double stars to check the collimation of binoculars. Is it just a matter of whether they can be split or not? If so can anyone recommend a winter double which I could use to check the collimation of a pair of 15x70's. Thanks.
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You can very easily check collimation on a single star. If they instantly merge, then collimation is fine.
Checking collimation on a double star of known separation allows you to not only see it (if it is present), but also to measure it.
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