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I noticed that the subject of binocular mounts has come up on several different threats here recently so thought it may be helpful to have a subject-specific thread started where binocular mounts can be discussed and then more easily searched later on.
After doing a bit of research on the web and here at Cloudy Nights, I had thought about purchasing a parallelogram-type binocular mount for my Takahashi 22x60 binos (4.8 pounds). However, while searching for ready-made products I also ran across several articles on Do-It-Yourself bino mount plans and throught it may be both a fun project and a way to save a bit of money along the way.
Well, I have just finished making an all mental parallelogram-type binocular mount for under $48 (US) total and it works perfectly. Did I save money? Yes. Was it a fun project? Depends upon your definition of fun, but it was gratifying (that I completed it, it works, and I didn't damage myself in the process).
I don't have any photos yet but will post major web sites I used to come up with a set of plans (probably more like idea sketches and hints). I used the basic ideas of Jan van Gastel's article on an aluminum binocular mount, however, I used my own ideas for the binocular adapter and tripod adapter. In addition, I used 3/4"x3/4" aluminum square tubing but would highly recommend 1"x1" aluminum square tubing. The 3/4" was all I could find at the time.
A word of caution. If you are going to make your own mount, you must be very careful to line up all matching drilled holes. Otherwise, the arms of the parallelogram will be out of line and it may bind, stick, wobble, or shimmy (may even do the Boogalu).
I went with Jan van Gastel's design over several others because I wanted to use the mount while reclining on a lawn lounger (but the mount will work equally as well with a chair). A mount used while reclining appears to work best when it comes from either the left or right hand side as opposed to sitting in front of the observer.
I would also submit that it may be easier to make such a mount from wood. Wood is much more foregiving than metal and, I have read, dampens out vibrations faster than metal.
Would I recommend a commercial product over making your own? Sure. Depends upon how skilled you are with sawing, drilling, etc. If you don't have the tools or a place where you can borrow them, then it would be more economical to purchase a ready-made mount. There is no doubt that there are some value-for-dollar mounts when one considers the cost of labor and the engineering that has gone into the product. But, all things being equal, there is no reason to be intimidated by such a project and there is the satisfaction of making something yourself that works.
With all that being said, here are the web sites where I was able to get information on binocular mounts sufficient to go and make one myself (Disclaimer: I have no economic interest in any site, author, article, product, or concept presented in any of the sites listed and provide these only as a reference and do not guarantee the accuracy of the information in any of them.): (1)Jan van Gastel, "Building an aluminum binocular mount", http://home.wanadoo.nl/jhm.vangastel/Astronomy/binocs/binocs.htm ; (2) Dale Keller's Parallelogram Bino Mount, http://home.att.net/~dale.keller/atm/binoculars/keller/kellerbino.htm ; (3) The Boulton Group, "A New Binocular Mount", http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/david-ratledge/tm6.htm ; (4) Steve Lee, "My Binocular Mount - a simple parallelogram masde of wood and aluminum", http://www.aao.gov.au/local/www/sl/sl-tels#bino-mount [url=http://www.aao.gov.au/local/www/sl/sl-tels]; (5) Scott Wilson, "A binocular mount", must register to enter "astronomydaily.com" to reach this article ; and (6) Philip Harrington, "Starware", purchase or may be available at your local library.
I apologize in advance if this is somewhat long, and for not having the photos to accompany the piece. But, it is meant as a "starter" for anyone thinking of making their own binocular mount. I am happy to say that I was able to do it below the budget I had set and it works as I had intended.
Best of luck, Nick
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KennyJ
   
Reged: 04/27/03
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Well done with your project Nick.
Having just spent yet another 2 hours lying on my back looking through my open skylight window at the region of Cygnus holding up several pairs of binoculars I've decided I must try to get something sorted out whereby I can enjoy the views without using my arms !
An "indoor" type of chair/ mount presents different problems in my case due to lack of space , but I'm going to think about it.
In the meantime , good luck with your projects and I hope a few people add to this thread.
Clear skies -- Kenny.
-------------------- Two eyes and a preference to use both
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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Anonymous
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Thanks for the kind words Kenny. Sounds like one of those automated recliner chairs with built-in binocular mount would be just the right thing for your particular viewing needs.
There is one that has been reviewed here on Cloudy Nights but the costs is a bit prohibitive for me at the present time. I have, however, thought about the possibility of taking a driver's seat from a salvage auto to make into such an automated viewing chair. I think the success I had with making the parallelogram binocular mount has encouraged me to think of bigger projects.
I definitely would enjoy hearing from anyone that has taken on such a project.
Thanks again for the reply. Nick
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Scott Hamilton
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Reged: 05/22/03
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I have revised and extended this material which was originally posted in another thread and reposted it here:
Parallelogram mount.
A good one is on an adjustable tripod so that it can be varied in height. This means it can be used either standing or when sitting in a chair. Using a garden chair which also can be tilted in elevation results in the capability to view absolutely vertically while laying back in the chair. The downside of this arrangment is that you are constantly getting up and shifting the chair around every time you want to look somewhere else. It gets better with time, but it's a pain nevertheless.
Another approach is a revolving platform, upon which the chair sits and which contains a mounting mechanism for the binos integrated with the platform. Sim Pichelcoup's "Couch Potato Telescope" is an example of this type. The name is misleading, it IS a binocular mount. You can buy it in various stages of completion from just plans to completely assembled. Ckeck http://www.geocities.com/lwraif/SimP/
For examples of other configurations including the common parallelogram type look at: http://www.astro-tom.com/projects/binocular_mount.htm http://www.timphiz.co.uk/funstuff.htm http://www.deep-sky.co.uk/tm6.htm http://home.wanadoo.nl/jhm.vangastel/Astronomy/binocs/sillasen.htm http://home.att.net/~dale.keller/atm/binoculars/keller/kellerbino.htm http://www.rocklandastronomy.com/articles/tripodhead.html http://www.testrite.com/telescop.htm for parts related to tubing
A google search on "binocular mount" will reveal many other interesting devices of this type.
In fact, I've built one myself ($50 - $100) depending on your individual buy/scrounge ratio. I can put up some images if there is interest but alot is already available on the net in this space. Mine does not use the typical counterweight arrangement, as I just cannot bring myself to lug all that extra weight around. What I did, was to put a plywood storage box and wheels on the back side of my mount which provides a storage bin for my tripod, binos etc. The wheels allow me to pull it behind me when underway. As an added bonus, I designed it so that it almost perfectly counteracts the weight of the binoculars when in use. To take care of the small moments on the beam that inevitably crop up and to allow different binoculars to be used without completely upsetting the dynamics of the system, I have used Tom Kracji's virtual counterweight set up. See: http://education.gsu.edu/spehar/FOCUS/Astronomy/krajci/krajci.htm This concept was also featured in Sky and Telescope in an article written by Tom himself.
My next project will be the revolving chair, as I feel that viewing while sitting down has more advantages. The chair should be situated on a revolving platform as this makes changing the azimuth a simple function of rotating the entire mechanism while you're sitting on it. Nothing could be simpler.
I believe that the a design could be incorporated that used the rocker box/ground board parts of the dobsonian telescope mount, except that instead of a rockerbox, a simple chair platform would be used. The only open point in my mind is the loading of the teflon pads. 12 pounds per square inch, which is recommended for a telescope is probably too little friction. The other problem is that the loading changes every time someone else sits in the chair. If anybody has done any heavy thinking or can speak from expereince in this point, please post.
Getting the binoculars adjusted in elevation is another matter and will consider considerable thinking on my part before I will ready to start building. But again, I will not incorporate counterwieghts of any sort. I think the Kracji spring system will work here too.
Believe me, it is worth the effort to build a mount of this type and be able to use binoculars in this fashion. A good mount allows you to completely relax and totally immerse yourself in the viewing experience.
All the best,
Scott
-------------------- 49 53 5 N
08 16 1 E
GSO 8" Dobsonian Reflector
KRONOS 26 x 70 Binoculars
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Anonymous
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Scott, Great addition to the thread. Thanks for the additional resource links.
The revolving/automated observing chair is an intriguing concept. I recall reading in one of the articles on the topic that the user mentioned vibrations generated to his binoculars by the beating of his heart. That is one reason I thought about the thick-bodied automobile driver's seat (can you image one from a Cadillac or one of equal mass?). I would think that a thicker seat would absorbe that type of vibration.
I also believe that the "Couch Potato" chair used PVC and the mount was kind of overhead. I have tried PVC in other non-astronomical projects and there was considerable vibration.
Perhaps someone has built something that can shed some new light on this subject. At any rate, I am more encourage more than ever to pursue this idea. The next step will be to check into chairs, then the platform. I like your suggestion of using a rocker box.
This all reminds me of a number of years back when I came across a surplus WW II aircraft gunners chair. It was aluminum, mostly, but had all sorts of attachments and cables hanging off of it. At the time I just didn't see the possibility of using it as an observing chair. Darn, I regret not buying it then. Wish I lived over in Arizona where the US Government has that big aircraft storage depot. I would love to go in there and see if I could purchase an appropriate surplus chair.
Scott, thanks again for the great information. It provides more encouragement towards starting on this new project.
Clear skies, Nick
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KennyJ
   
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Pleased to see so many interesting links / ideas on this subject already .
Not having the spare money to BUY any of luxurious versions , nor the space nor inclination to accomodate such large constructions , I really wish I could find the time to design and make my own .
I'm still convinced that two basic ideas could be expanded upon here that would take up less space and move more easily than some if not all of the ones already available.
My thoughts start from the eyes and bino OUTWARDS , rather than the other way around.
For example , consider the standard "window mount" with attached heavy duty L -bracket.
The effective Alt -Alz capability with lever facing away from the face provides all one needs at the "front -end "
My "full blown " vision would basically consist of attaching the above to a contraption that takes the basic shape of miniature aluminium or wooden football "goalposts" wide enough to span a comfortable free -standing reclining chair of one's own choice, that are flanged at floor -level with adjustable "anchors" , so that the chair can be placed inside the structure or the structure pulled into the chair.
Alternatively it is not inconceivable to bolt a smaller similarly shaped structure to the sides of the chair itself.
It is just a matter of the mechanics of joining the window mount assembly to the steel( or wood ) providing support of sufficent sturdiness whilst allowing full freedom of movement.
This can surely not be rocket science !
An even simpler idea ( which admittedly would not overcome some bodily movements ) is to expand upon the "harmonica stand" design as used by Bob Dylan et al .
-------------------- Two eyes and a preference to use both
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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Anonymous
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Kenny, Yes, I believe I understand what you are describing. Actually, it appears that there are two concepts with which to play with. One being a mount to use with a window frame, and one with a regular chair. But, both being used from within a home as opposed to having to go outdoors.
There have been times when I have been tempted to just open the window for a quick scan of the southern sky (except that invites all manner to problems during May through September at my location).
I am going to give the ideas a thought but actual drawing of plans and construction will have to wait as I have just had surgery on the right shoulder for a torn rotator cuff and there won't be any sawing, drilling or hammering for awhile.
Perhaps some others here on the forum will pick-up the challenge.
Best wishes and cheers, Nick
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Scott Hamilton
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Reged: 05/22/03
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Nick,
I have only experienced the "heartbeat" problem when the binoculars are directly coupled to my body, for example when push the oculars against my cheek bones. Otherwise I have not experienced this problem, indeed a mount allows you to overcome coupling problems because you don't need to come into direct contact with the binos. Instead of PVC you can used aluminum tubing if you want more stiffness (see the Testrite link).
Kenny,
what you are describing (...goalposts...) sounds essentially like the Couch Potato device - check out this web site.
Meanwhile I am working hard on my revolving chair design and am making good progress. I have also interfaced my new KRONOS 26x70s with my patrallelogram mount and am very satisfied with the results.
Keep the comments coming...
Scott
-------------------- 49 53 5 N
08 16 1 E
GSO 8" Dobsonian Reflector
KRONOS 26 x 70 Binoculars
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Anonymous
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Scott, I'm looking forward to learning how the observing chair you are building comes out.
I checked the price on the Starchair 3000 and it is up to $ US 4,600 (I think I read that correctly). Wow! They have made several improvements but that is still a chunk of change.
The "How To" article by Eugene Artemyeff, "My Comet Couch!", here in Cloudy Nights is interesting. It looks like an improvement over the "Couch Potato Telescope" by incorporating both the revolving chair platform and a parallelogram bino mount (and Eugene even adds cup holders, nice touch).
Congrads on the Kronos 26 x 70's. I would imagine that you would definitely have to have a good steady mount to enjoy viewing.
Keep us posted on the chair. Nick
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