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Erik D
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Hopefully this will be readable.
Bruce
It's NOT. And it made the scroll bar appear...now it's difficult to read the rest of the threads.
Why don't you delete the unreadable post and provide a link instead? Or just order a pair and save $$...;-))
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Bruce
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EdZ,
Thank you.
Bruce
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Bruce
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Erik D
I attemped to post a link. Sorry if posting some meaningful
information by an incorrect method ruined your afternoon.
Bruce
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Bonco
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(20x80LW) A very convient, high performance bino
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If the LW 20x80 is fashioned after the Burgess LW, which the Oberwerk is, I would not consider that model of 20x80LW a high performance binocular.edz
Well ok. As soon as I hit the send button I knew the high performance would come back to bite me. Let me word it more clearly to reflect my intent.
The 20X80 LW 3.6 bino delivers a lot of performance in a convenient light weight package. Performance, meaning pleasing deep views of dim extended objects, milkyway scanning etc. Obviously $200 bino's are NOT going to deliver the same performance as very expensive bino's. The main point of my response was to express that frequently the beneficial aspect of these LW bino's is not mentioned in discussions and recommendations. For me I'll likely not buy a heavy bino due to the mounting requirements. The optics of the LW serve my needs and I suspect others might enjoy their convenience too.
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KennyJ
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< Obviously $200 bino's are NOT going to deliver the same performance as very expensive bino's. The main point of my response was to express that frequently the beneficial aspect of these LW bino's is not mentioned in discussions and recommendations. For me I'll likely not buy a heavy bino due to the mounting requirements. The optics of the LW serve my needs and I suspect others might enjoy their convenience too. >
Bonco ,
If you , or anyone else , missed the MAIN intention of my last post to this thread , it was MY fault for trying to incorporate a little friendly " IN " humour into the message .
So I'll be blunt this time !
In other words , I TOTALLY AGREE with you !
Regards , Kenny
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EdZ
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The 20X80 LW 3.6 bino delivers a lot of performance in a convenient light weight package. Performance, meaning pleasing deep views of dim extended objects, milkyway scanning etc. Obviously $200 bino's are NOT going to deliver the same performance as very expensive bino's. The main point of my response was to express that frequently the beneficial aspect of these LW bino's is not mentioned in discussions and recommendations. Bonco
That's a very fair assessment of that class binocular. And for some folks that's sometimes the right choice to get into the 20x80 size without needing to upgrade everything else.
I've been occasionally using an Anttler Sky Sweeper 20x80 that (i think) is the same as the Zhumell. I guess that depends on what we find out about the coatings. But that Anttler 20x80 is a lot lighter than my GO 20x80 and it can be mounted much lighter.
The Anttler and the Burgess (I own a Burgess LW also) 20x80 are exactly the same from the entire prism housing to the back end of the body. They do use slightly different eyepieces. It pretty much looks like the Anttler and the Zhumell are exactly the same from the prisms forward. They have the same objective housing. So I think these three are all relatively the same binocular (pending coating info). Neither the Anttler nor the Burgess are FMC. But either one can be mounted on an Orion paragon tripod easily.
No, they don't see as deep nor do they have the best contrast, but they still beat out some 15x70s. They don't beat out the new Oberwerk 15x70 Ultra in any measure, but, except for fov and sharpness, they can see deeper than the Oberwerk LER 2003v 15x70. They don't beat out the old Oberwerk 20x80 Deluxe, the one that comes in the same housing that looks like the 22x100, but they come closest to that one. The Oberwerk Standard and the Garrett Gemini top off the list.
edz
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Erik D
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EdZ,
I have some more thoughts to share in reponse to BONCO's comments about the 80mm LW. But they have nothing to do with the orginal question comparing Zhumell 20X80 to the latest offering from Garett Optical & Oberwerk. Can we break out this thread about the LW starting with BONCO's comments a few days back?
I don't want to take the dicussion far off the orginal topic.
Erik D
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EdZ
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Well I just added all those comparisons, which is what this thread asked for. I think all these LW binoculars are related, and I've compared the ones I've used to the Oberwerks and the Garrett.
edz
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Mike Rapchak
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Loc: Indiana, USA
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From the photo I saw of the Garrett Gemini 25x100s, it's the same bino as the Zhumell Tachyon 25x100 (the carrying cases are also indentical).
The Zhumells can now be had for around $350. Last month I bought a pair; also returned them as I was not satisfied with their optical performance.
Mike Rapchak Jr.
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