Richard Scott
professor emeritus
Reged: 07/25/06
Posts: 719
Loc: Tampa FL
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Well, I got the go ahead to build my humble under $1,000 observatory.
The working name of my little piece of heaven observed is “The Blue Moon observatory” Being as a chance like this comes along about once in a Blue Moon. I am planning on using a Rubbermaid Big Max shed as the starting point for the Observatory. It is still a work in progress, but here is my plan.
The roof being mostly roto-molded plastic can’t weigh more than maybe 60-80 lbs? OK I am guessing at this point, I’ll let you know how close it gets. And fitted with hinges on one side, and maybe case locks on the other, ought to be openable by hand. I think after reinforcing the top of the walls and roof edge with aluminum angle stock, I can weatherproof the pop top very nicely as well. At this stage, I see the option of both doors open and covered with 1’4” ply or maybe PVC and tarpaulin material, and making a perfect computer nook.
I see the Blue Moon carpeted and with power via an extension cord for the present time. I promised my wife that if I could build this, I would move all my astronomical stuff out of the corner of the living room. I see a book case/shelf, fold down computer work surface, storage for my cases and tripod etc. all fitting inside. Snug perhaps, but I believe doable.
I want to thank everyone here for their willingness to share their building experiences and their most useful pictures. I was a ghost on this forum for months just soaking up information before I began this project.
-------------------- 11” Celestron XLT SCT
Orion ED80 APO
CG-5 GEM
JMI NGF-CM Focuser
Orion SSDSI
Meade DSI Pro
an assortment of 1.25” & 2" stuff
all tucked inside the Blue Moon Observatory
http://tinyurl.com/29b9wn
Basically more scope than my abilities warrant
"I know I can never look upon the stars without wondering why the whole world does not become astronomers."
Thomas Wright
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Richard Scott
professor emeritus
Reged: 07/25/06
Posts: 719
Loc: Tampa FL
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My apologies, I didn’t get any shots of the empty hole. It was a 24” x 24” x 36” deep chunk of Central Florida. I discovered that nibbling at the bottom of the hole with a post hole digger is a fine way to get a flat and undisturbed bottom to a hole.
The first pour I poured 15 80 lbs bags of concrete in that 12 cubic foot hole to get it flush with the surface. At bag #4 I set three 16” long 1/2” thick pieces of rebar on top of the wet pour running north and south. At bag #8 I did the same thing again, just this time they ran east and west. At bag #15 I set two full sized cement blocks in the center of the wet pour. They sank in maybe three inches.
I then set four 48” pieces of rebar through the cement blocks and into the still wet pour. I set them in until maybe 6” were still sticking above the two cement blocks. I didn’t touch it again for three days.
-------------------- 11” Celestron XLT SCT
Orion ED80 APO
CG-5 GEM
JMI NGF-CM Focuser
Orion SSDSI
Meade DSI Pro
an assortment of 1.25” & 2" stuff
all tucked inside the Blue Moon Observatory
http://tinyurl.com/29b9wn
Basically more scope than my abilities warrant
"I know I can never look upon the stars without wondering why the whole world does not become astronomers."
Thomas Wright
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Richard Scott
professor emeritus
Reged: 07/25/06
Posts: 719
Loc: Tampa FL
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The second pour Next I set two more full size (16”) blocks on top of the first two. And then set the first of six half blocks (8” square sorta) on top of that. I added one 80 lbs bag of concrete, filling the blocks completely, and set four more 48” long 1/2” thick pieces of rebar setting to the bottom of the full blocks and coming up out of the center of that central half block. After getting that half block level I left that pour alone for three more days.
-------------------- 11” Celestron XLT SCT
Orion ED80 APO
CG-5 GEM
JMI NGF-CM Focuser
Orion SSDSI
Meade DSI Pro
an assortment of 1.25” & 2" stuff
all tucked inside the Blue Moon Observatory
http://tinyurl.com/29b9wn
Basically more scope than my abilities warrant
"I know I can never look upon the stars without wondering why the whole world does not become astronomers."
Thomas Wright
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Richard Scott
professor emeritus
Reged: 07/25/06
Posts: 719
Loc: Tampa FL
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Over the next week I stacked the rest of the half blocks. The four pieces of rebar came to within about 5”of the top of the last block in the stack. I let that set for several days while I worked out details on my plate system.
The third and last pour One more 80 lbs bag carefully poured down the stack one cup full at a time until almost flush with the top. At that point I took my plate assembly and lowered it into the wet concrete. Four 18” lengths of threaded stock with a dog leg beaten into the bottom of each one. The rebar went to the inside the threaded stock, and the threaded stock went down the outside of the rebar. As the plate assembly sank into the wet concrete, the mix rose flush with the top of the block. Perfect! I let that last pour set for a full week before I touched it.
-------------------- 11” Celestron XLT SCT
Orion ED80 APO
CG-5 GEM
JMI NGF-CM Focuser
Orion SSDSI
Meade DSI Pro
an assortment of 1.25” & 2" stuff
all tucked inside the Blue Moon Observatory
http://tinyurl.com/29b9wn
Basically more scope than my abilities warrant
"I know I can never look upon the stars without wondering why the whole world does not become astronomers."
Thomas Wright
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Richard Scott
professor emeritus
Reged: 07/25/06
Posts: 719
Loc: Tampa FL
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A look down the stack
-------------------- 11” Celestron XLT SCT
Orion ED80 APO
CG-5 GEM
JMI NGF-CM Focuser
Orion SSDSI
Meade DSI Pro
an assortment of 1.25” & 2" stuff
all tucked inside the Blue Moon Observatory
http://tinyurl.com/29b9wn
Basically more scope than my abilities warrant
"I know I can never look upon the stars without wondering why the whole world does not become astronomers."
Thomas Wright
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StarManSteve
professor emeritus
Reged: 09/21/06
Posts: 504
Loc: White Hall, MD
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Richard,
I wish I could draw out plans like that, a space for everything, very nice. Nice neat job on the pier too.
I was wondering why only 8 inches for the pier? I have the same scope and my pier plate bolts would be way too outboard for comfort.
-------------------- "I'm not afraid of the dark"
www.sola-virtus-observatory.org
Sola Virtus Observatory
3942.15N LAT 07632.68W LONG
Elevation 738ft
"Alba Gu Brath"
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Richard Scott
professor emeritus
Reged: 07/25/06
Posts: 719
Loc: Tampa FL
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the plate assembly
-------------------- 11” Celestron XLT SCT
Orion ED80 APO
CG-5 GEM
JMI NGF-CM Focuser
Orion SSDSI
Meade DSI Pro
an assortment of 1.25” & 2" stuff
all tucked inside the Blue Moon Observatory
http://tinyurl.com/29b9wn
Basically more scope than my abilities warrant
"I know I can never look upon the stars without wondering why the whole world does not become astronomers."
Thomas Wright
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Richard Scott
professor emeritus
Reged: 07/25/06
Posts: 719
Loc: Tampa FL
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the plate assembly set in the pier
-------------------- 11” Celestron XLT SCT
Orion ED80 APO
CG-5 GEM
JMI NGF-CM Focuser
Orion SSDSI
Meade DSI Pro
an assortment of 1.25” & 2" stuff
all tucked inside the Blue Moon Observatory
http://tinyurl.com/29b9wn
Basically more scope than my abilities warrant
"I know I can never look upon the stars without wondering why the whole world does not become astronomers."
Thomas Wright
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Richard Scott
professor emeritus
Reged: 07/25/06
Posts: 719
Loc: Tampa FL
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After my pier set undisturbed for a week, I began the sub floor for my Rubbermaid Big Max flip top observatory. I used only pressure treated lumber. Starting with six 4x4’s buried 26” deep and then bolting 2x6’s to them to set the outside dimensions. I did not set the 4x4’s in concrete, I thought I would when I was drawing up my plans, but because the floor is only 22” high it seemed overkill. More 2x6’s to box in, but not touch the pier and to support the plywood sub floor.
The plywood went quickly, and seems fairly stiff. Yet in retrospect, if I had it to do over, I might have gone for 3/4” instead of the 1/2”. But the shed I am going to use has a floor that is part of it’s design, and between the two of them, I think I am OK.
I modified my original design to extend the front an additional 3 feet. I plan on using PT 2x6’s as a deck in front, but I am not sure exactly what the clearance is under the door as it opens, so until I have the shed set I will not deck the front porch.
-------------------- 11” Celestron XLT SCT
Orion ED80 APO
CG-5 GEM
JMI NGF-CM Focuser
Orion SSDSI
Meade DSI Pro
an assortment of 1.25” & 2" stuff
all tucked inside the Blue Moon Observatory
http://tinyurl.com/29b9wn
Basically more scope than my abilities warrant
"I know I can never look upon the stars without wondering why the whole world does not become astronomers."
Thomas Wright
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Richard Scott
professor emeritus
Reged: 07/25/06
Posts: 719
Loc: Tampa FL
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more details
-------------------- 11” Celestron XLT SCT
Orion ED80 APO
CG-5 GEM
JMI NGF-CM Focuser
Orion SSDSI
Meade DSI Pro
an assortment of 1.25” & 2" stuff
all tucked inside the Blue Moon Observatory
http://tinyurl.com/29b9wn
Basically more scope than my abilities warrant
"I know I can never look upon the stars without wondering why the whole world does not become astronomers."
Thomas Wright
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Richard Scott
professor emeritus
Reged: 07/25/06
Posts: 719
Loc: Tampa FL
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From underneath
-------------------- 11” Celestron XLT SCT
Orion ED80 APO
CG-5 GEM
JMI NGF-CM Focuser
Orion SSDSI
Meade DSI Pro
an assortment of 1.25” & 2" stuff
all tucked inside the Blue Moon Observatory
http://tinyurl.com/29b9wn
Basically more scope than my abilities warrant
"I know I can never look upon the stars without wondering why the whole world does not become astronomers."
Thomas Wright
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Richard Scott
professor emeritus
Reged: 07/25/06
Posts: 719
Loc: Tampa FL
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closeup of pier exiting subfloor
-------------------- 11” Celestron XLT SCT
Orion ED80 APO
CG-5 GEM
JMI NGF-CM Focuser
Orion SSDSI
Meade DSI Pro
an assortment of 1.25” & 2" stuff
all tucked inside the Blue Moon Observatory
http://tinyurl.com/29b9wn
Basically more scope than my abilities warrant
"I know I can never look upon the stars without wondering why the whole world does not become astronomers."
Thomas Wright
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Rusty
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Lookin' good, there, Richard!
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Vintage C5
Megrez II 80mm ED Triplet APO
SolarMax 40
NJP Temma II
Sirius EQ-G
ST8XE/CFW-8(LRGBHa)/AO-7/DF-2/STV Dlx/ST237a/350D (Unmodded)/Mallincam Color Hyper Plus/DSI III Color/DSI II Pro
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GordonCopestake
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Reged: 03/02/06
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Loc: Newcastle-under-Lyme, UK
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Looks like a great start! Well done 
Very neat pier. I'm thinking of using the breeze block method for my pier when i finally get around to it
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Richard Scott
professor emeritus
Reged: 07/25/06
Posts: 719
Loc: Tampa FL
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StarmanSteve… I have followed your observatory project from it’s onset, and my humble project isn’t even in the same league with it. What you are building is a real observatory, what on the other hand I am building is a sanctum Santorum. I love my wife and daughters, but the possibility of spending a few hours under the stars, and not with the latest chick flick on the tube is very compelling.
Also… I work in advertising, and in a good ad campaign, there is a overarching theme. Mine was to get this thing built, down to the last detail, for under $1,000. An everyman’s observatory if you will.
As to your question on the 8” bock, Convenience alone. I looked at sonotubes, but my home center had them in 8” and 12” diameters, they only offered 4’ lengths. My stack is closer to 5’ high, so I opted for the blocks.
I used 4 pieces of threaded stock going into the block at aprox. 6” sq. Although not in the same ballpark with your most excellent pier, it seems quite solid.
Gordon, just out of curiosity, what is the breeze block method?
-------------------- 11” Celestron XLT SCT
Orion ED80 APO
CG-5 GEM
JMI NGF-CM Focuser
Orion SSDSI
Meade DSI Pro
an assortment of 1.25” & 2" stuff
all tucked inside the Blue Moon Observatory
http://tinyurl.com/29b9wn
Basically more scope than my abilities warrant
"I know I can never look upon the stars without wondering why the whole world does not become astronomers."
Thomas Wright
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Richard Scott
professor emeritus
Reged: 07/25/06
Posts: 719
Loc: Tampa FL
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I gleaned much information about pier design, shed design etc. here, but I was unable to find as much about plate design for a CG-5 GEM. And even less on how to secure the mount to the plate.
Here is what I did. I started with two 8” x 8” x 1/2” aluminum plates from McMaster Carr. I used four 1/2” holes for the threaded stock going into the concrete, and four more for the 8” long threaded stock tying the upper and lower plates together. This much I learned from you guys. Here is how I clamped my CG-5 to the top plate. I went to my local home center and bought a 2 3/8” metal cutting hole saw. The tapered sleeve at the bottom of the mount that sets in the tripod head is almost exactly 2 3/8” at it’s widest.
I cut the hole in the top plate, and saved the plug that I cut out. That hole is a tighter fit than the hole in the top of the tripod’s head. And the GEM sat down onto the plate nicely. Another smaller hole tapped for a bolt of it’s own makes mounting the right ascension post on the upper plate a piece of cake.
With my upper plate all but finished, I turned my attention to mounting my mount to the plate. Taking that plug of aluminum I cut out of the upper plate, I started to fashion a hand knob to cinch down my rig. I picked up a 2.5” long 10 mm bolt with a 1.5 thread count as it is what is needed to thread into the bottom of the mount. I drilled the plug to accept the 10 mm bolt as a press fit. After pressing (read hammering) them together, I chucked the bolt/plug combo into a hand drill and clamped the drill in a bench vice as a poor man’s metal lathe, I then shaped with a flat file and polished with steel wool the aluminum plug until I had fashioned it into a fine hand knob. I slipped a bronze sleeve over the bolt just to act as a spacer, until it seated onto the hand knob, and then set a large flat steel washer on top of that.
I then cut another 2 3/8” hole in a piece of 1/2” plywood, then cut the hole out to make a 3 1/2” outside diameter, 2 3/8” inside diameter donut. I cut another 3 1/2” circular piece and glued them together. And I slipped the bolt/hand knob through the center of this wooden spanner to finish my tie-down. The hole in the upper piece of plywood slips past the mounts sleeve as it is coming down and passing through the aluminum plate. The lower piece of plywood stops the bolt as it is passing up into the mount. It is an very elegant and effective solution to how to securely tie the CG-5 GEM to the plate.
-------------------- 11” Celestron XLT SCT
Orion ED80 APO
CG-5 GEM
JMI NGF-CM Focuser
Orion SSDSI
Meade DSI Pro
an assortment of 1.25” & 2" stuff
all tucked inside the Blue Moon Observatory
http://tinyurl.com/29b9wn
Basically more scope than my abilities warrant
"I know I can never look upon the stars without wondering why the whole world does not become astronomers."
Thomas Wright
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Richard Scott
professor emeritus
Reged: 07/25/06
Posts: 719
Loc: Tampa FL
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The reason I went with an 8” square plate is clearance. With a fork on a wedge, it doesn’t seem as much of an issue, but with three counterweights swinging past the plate, how far the plate extends north really is critical. I have right at one inch of clearance between the counterweights and the north side of the plate. I am at 28.06º here in central Florida, and in order for my Gem to get down to that latitude, I needed to remove the front set screw from the mount. For more northern locations, the weights would set further out and a bigger plate would be a way to go. Clearance when slewing to anything near zenith is an issue either to the east or west side of the plate as well.
I have just spent one night with my 11” SCT on my new pier, but I am very pleased. At around 400 power (a 15 mm EP and a 2x Barlow), a stiff rap on the side of the concrete produces a surprisingly high frequency but fairly low amplitude vibration for maybe 2 seconds until it damps down. At lower magnifications it is hard to see any disturbance at all with a rap to the pier. I am used to the vibration patterns of a steel legged tripod, and they are not the same. My guess is the vibration pattern on the tripod is larger, but more slushy. The pier is much more solid, much less prone to move, but when it does vibrate, it seems to me to do so at a higher frequency.
I am still figuring out if a 7’ square observatory is big enough for me, my observing chair, assorted equipment, a computer, a drop down table? maybe a small book case, and any other necessities I may find indispensable (read tunes). I have been able to get around on the plywood floor with little trouble, and as long as I am good to go with cozy, I think I will be fine.
Santa tells me he is bringing my Rubbermaid Big Max for Christmas.
-------------------- 11” Celestron XLT SCT
Orion ED80 APO
CG-5 GEM
JMI NGF-CM Focuser
Orion SSDSI
Meade DSI Pro
an assortment of 1.25” & 2" stuff
all tucked inside the Blue Moon Observatory
http://tinyurl.com/29b9wn
Basically more scope than my abilities warrant
"I know I can never look upon the stars without wondering why the whole world does not become astronomers."
Thomas Wright
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Richard Scott
professor emeritus
Reged: 07/25/06
Posts: 719
Loc: Tampa FL
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One more looking Southeast
-------------------- 11” Celestron XLT SCT
Orion ED80 APO
CG-5 GEM
JMI NGF-CM Focuser
Orion SSDSI
Meade DSI Pro
an assortment of 1.25” & 2" stuff
all tucked inside the Blue Moon Observatory
http://tinyurl.com/29b9wn
Basically more scope than my abilities warrant
"I know I can never look upon the stars without wondering why the whole world does not become astronomers."
Thomas Wright
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Richard Scott
professor emeritus
Reged: 07/25/06
Posts: 719
Loc: Tampa FL
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In the for what it’s worth column, bubble levels on CG-5’s, OK, on my CG-5 is way off. I always had trouble with tracking over any length of time, even after polar aligning my mount. I thought it was me, my setting things up poorly. Until I mounted my GEM on a plate that I knew was dead on level, and took a look at the built in level on the mount!
That little piece of plastic was a mile off.
I won’t be using it in the future when I take my scope out and set it on the tripod. I am putting a torpedo level in my field bag from now on.
-------------------- 11” Celestron XLT SCT
Orion ED80 APO
CG-5 GEM
JMI NGF-CM Focuser
Orion SSDSI
Meade DSI Pro
an assortment of 1.25” & 2" stuff
all tucked inside the Blue Moon Observatory
http://tinyurl.com/29b9wn
Basically more scope than my abilities warrant
"I know I can never look upon the stars without wondering why the whole world does not become astronomers."
Thomas Wright
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StarManSteve
professor emeritus
Reged: 09/21/06
Posts: 504
Loc: White Hall, MD
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Richard, Very nice mount. Looks sturdy enough to me. I see the mounting plate set up now. If your pier vibration settles down reasonably fast I would say you accomplished what you set out to do and more. A complete observatory for around a $1000.00. Excellent job
-------------------- "I'm not afraid of the dark"
www.sola-virtus-observatory.org
Sola Virtus Observatory
3942.15N LAT 07632.68W LONG
Elevation 738ft
"Alba Gu Brath"
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