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YankeeJeff
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I was told by S&T staff that they would refund the subscription price to Night Sky since I only ordered it a couple of weeks ago, so no problems there -I'm sad to see it go of course. Oh well, I look forward to my new subscription to S&T. I'll now be subscribing to Astronomy & S&T, I'll also consider Sky at Night (I just can't get enough)- thanks for the link Roger. Also, big thanks to Rick Fienberg for the personalized response.
-------------------- "When I see your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and stars that you set in place...What are humans that you are mindful of them, mere mortals that you care for them?" (Psalm 8:3,4)
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John Flannery
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For those interested in BBC Sky at Night magazine, I subscribed through bbcamericashop.com The suscription is only $60 for a full year which is way less than I've seen it anywhere else.
It certainly is! The price on the BBC web site for the magazine is £79 to the US. It's £69 to Ireland which is €102!!! A staggering amount of money when you can actually buy it cheaper off the newsstand. No thanks BBC! And btw, why is such a honorable company still calling Ireland "Eire" ... a major problem on a lot of UK web sites. It's either "Republic of Ireland" or just plain old "Ireland". You don't see Finland called "Soumi" just because it appears on their stamps. Sorry folks if I've gone off topic ... just one of those days!
Many thanks Rick for letting us know directly about the changes in the Sky Publishing business and sorry to see a recent child in "Night Sky" leave the fold. I was going to subscribe over Christmas for my niece in L.A.
Best wishes to all at Sky Publishing,
John
-------------------- Oscail do Shuile D'iontas na Cruinne/Open Your Eyes to the Wonder of the Universe
Bliann Idirnáisiúnta Réalteolaíochta 2009/International Year of Astronomy 2009
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desertstars
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Also, big thanks to Rick Fienberg for the personalized response.
This did indeed make a big difference.
Thanks are also due to all the Cloudy Nights members who, in three different threads (the other two are in Off Topic and Beginners) have expressed their disappointment with such respect and civility.
-------------------- Tom W.
SVP8 'She turned me into a 3-legged Newt' EQ
Ralph, the All-Purpose 102mm Refractor
Under the Desert Stars
All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. - Galileo Galilei
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starramus
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Posts: 1124
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BUMMER! Dang nabit...
All good things must come to an end...
But the bad things we seem to retain on and on and on.
I received a gift subscriptions to Night Sky with an order I placed with Sky Publishing last year. I found it to be a beautiful and informative magazine. I am a regular subscriber to S&T, and it was a nice little adjunct to my main subscription. Unfortunately I did not subscribe to the magazine after the promotional issues. This magazine would have been a gold mine for me some decades ago during my Jason Empire days when I found it difficult to digest S&T. I mourn for the great loss to the newly amateurized. This magazine certainly hit the target for them. Once again we see profitability taking precedence over "real worth".
Regards and clear skies,
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Tony Flanders
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Loc: Cambridge, MA, USA
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I thought there was more visual observing "meat" in Night Sky than in either S&T or Astronomy, even taking into account the bi-monthly nature of NS.
Actually, though the proportion of visual observing is higher in Night Sky, the total quantity is much higher in Sky & Telescope. Sue French alone covers more each month in "Deep-Sky Wonders" for S&T than she covered every two months in Night Sky's "Take a Star-Hop".
The difference in that case is largely the target audience. Sue does an incredibly good job of speaking to a wide range of abilities, but she can only perform minor miracles. A typical Deep-Sky Wonders column includes one or two objects that could easily be in Night Sky, ranging all the way to things that challenge highly experienced observers with giant scopes under dark skies. But there are bound to be plenty of people who think it too hard and plenty of others who think it too easy.
Also, there's a question of how much knowledge and skill you can take for granted. Will people know what to do when you ask them to nudge your scope 1.6 degrees north-northwest, or do you have to spell it out each time?
For instance, each issue of S&T includes a list of ten or fifteen variable stars that are particularly interesting that month. It doesn't look like much -- just a few square inches of real estate. But every now and then I "do" the whole list, and believe me, it represents a huge amount of observing time. You have to locate each star, then compare its brightness to surrounding stars, then repeat the process several times over a period of weeks or months, keeping records of what you're doing. But it assumes that you have your own star charts (each maybe for one or two stars) and that you can locate things by RA and Dec. It would never work for the Night Sky audience.
Anyway, I think there's universal agreement here at S&T that we have to include more material that's easily accessible to beginners and to people who are only a little bit fanatical about observing. Fortunately, there's already some stuff at that level; Fred Schaaf's discussion in S&T of what's happening in the sky every month is really very much like Alan MacRobert's "Sky Tonight" in Night Sky.
I regret to say that my own "Constellation Close-up" column is clearly dispensable. I've had incredible fun writing it -- more fun than I've had at any job since I started working for a living at age 14. But it's basically a feel-good piece more than a helpful observing guide, and in any case, I was beginning to run out of bright, interesting constellations.
-------------------- Tony Flanders
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desertstars
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For me the difference wasn't the amount of visual observing material relative to other thing, but the manner of presentation. Everything about Night Sky said "this is for you new guys" as clearly as possible, without dumbing it down or sounding even remotely patronizing. Everyone involved did a great job putting the magazine together and making it work for the beginners among us, which explains why the reaction to Night Sky's demise has been so heartfelt. For the time that it was available Night Sky made a big difference for a lot of people. I hope that knowledge offers some consolation for those of you who worked to make it happen.
-------------------- Tom W.
SVP8 'She turned me into a 3-legged Newt' EQ
Ralph, the All-Purpose 102mm Refractor
Under the Desert Stars
All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. - Galileo Galilei
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Rick Woods
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Tony, Since you're here, I'll ask you: I really miss Alan MacRoberts' "Backyard Astronomy" column, and I love his book. Will there ever be a Volume 2, or, (dare I hope), a return of his column? Thanks! - Rick
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Jay_Bird
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I've always enjoyed S&T, and will return to it with Night Sky going away.
I left our first 2 NS issues out for kids to pick up and read along with a small stack of Sky Publishing sale books, which were what led me to the Night Sky subscription.
Perhaps a little Night Sky will make it into S&T - you can't have too many observing columns and maybe a beginner-focussed one would fit in 2 added S&T pages.
Tony, after I noticed your name here, I also saw it on Night Sky bylines - NS is an effort that all involved can be proud of.
Best, Jay
-------------------- 'these things stand like stone - kindness in another's troubles, courage in your own' Gordon
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Rick Fienberg
Editor, Sky & Telescope
Reged: 12/11/06
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Can you shed any light if you will be keeping O'Mearas books?
Yes, we will continue to sell the books that Steve has published with us. These include his Deep-Sky Companions volumes on the Messier and Caldwell objects and his Deep-Sky Wonders compilation of Walter Scott Houston's S&T columns, all available from our online store at ShopatSky.com. I don't yet know if we'll be selling Steve's third Deep-Sky Companions volume ("Hidden Treasures"), which is forthcoming from Cambridge University Press.
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wrather1
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Rick,
I am an enthusiastic subscriber of your magazine. I understand the business reasons behind the cancellation of NIGHT SKY but I must echo what others on this forum have stated about the excellent quality of the publicaton. Our local astronomy club had been handing out copies at every meeting for visitors and newbies. We will miss that for sure. Thank you for your candor and enlightenment on this issue; it is much appreciated.
Dave W.
-------------------- "Don't worry about what telescope you own, or its quality. Just get out under the night sky, and enjoy God's wondrous universe." - T. M. Back
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chascar
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Thanks Rick It saddens me that the magazine will be discontinued, I to used it for aiding those new to the hobby and whenever I went to the local clubs Public night I would be sure to bring several copies to hand out as the night went on. I second the opinion that you should archive the whole collection on a CD and sell it as a tool for introducing the Night Sky to the public.
Regards Charles
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Rusty
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Well, while it's sad that Night Sky will be no more, I for one would like to give a hearty salute to Rick and the S&T staff and management for having the inclination to launch Night Sky. Birthing a new mag, especially in the electronic age, takes an incredible amount of planning and grunt work.
I can't express enough admiration for the efforts required, and for having sustained Night Sky for what has to have been an arduous period.
So from my alter-ego, Captain Doom, here's three cheers for Rick and his colleagues!
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Canadian
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Posts: 625
Loc: Calgary, AB, Canada
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Hello, my name is Garry, and I'm a recovering hobby magazine junkie.
But I'm much better now, than I was 15 or so years ago, when I was really into cars and bikes, and bought (never subscribed as part of the high is the hunt) almost 30 different magazines every month, always buying first issues in case they were also last issues. (which did happen occasionally) Always having a list in my pocket to remind me which new issue I was on the lookout for. I have boxes and boxes, cataloged, ready for the day I will list them for sale, if I can.
That being said, losing even one Astronomy magazine hits hard, since there are so few. Even with the extra internet type publications, there is nothing like having a good glossy magazine, that gets read over and over, until the next issue comes out, and sometimes even a year later, I will find myself reading it again. Did I mention I love to read magazines?
Night Sky will be missed. Hopefully, like some other magazines have done when they have a sister publication that isn't doing to well, Sky & Telescope will open a section in the their magazine dedicated to the same format as Night Sky, and called such. That way, Sky & Telescope gets a little bigger, we can read it a little longer and we don't lose everything that made Night Sky such a good read for so many of us.
-------------------- Just my thoughts, subject to change at any time.
Garry
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Ron B[ee]
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Thank you Rick. I too very appreciate you coming here to tell us about it. I hope you will take this opportunity (albeit not under the best circumstances) to partipate at CN Forums from time to time as your busy schedule permit.
I wish you and S&T well and a great successful 2007.
Ron B[ee]
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George Huftalen
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Thanks Rick for the post.
As a subscriber to "S&T" and "Night Sky" and who bought and renewed "Night Sky" for two of his nephews and intended to buy it again this year for other kids, I am very disappointed.
Let me say that I consider myself an an amateur astronomer of intermediate skills and enjoy "Night Sky" even more than "Sky & Telescope." I say this only because "Night Sky" helps give me tips on how to explain things to beginners in our club's outreach programs.
This is my first post to this forum and it is indeed a sad one. 
I will save questions about our subscriptions until later. However, we have waited for the other shoe to drop since Sky Publishing was sold. As an avid supporter of your company, please pass along to the CEO of New Track Media that I am not pleased and am not imbued with much faith in New Track Media, nor its agenda, with this move.
I'm curious. Is New Track Media a publicly traded company?
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droid
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Rick ; welcome to cloudy nights, sad it had to be under these circumstances..... I like a lot of other amatuer astronomers am saddened at he loss of cloudy nights magazine.I have every issue to date from the news stand.I also use night sky as part of my out reach work, very time I talk to people about astronomy I give them a copy of night sky. While I like sky and telescope, it has to much technical stuff, the composition of a planets atmosphere for example, I dont know nothing about atmospheric composition, sheeesh. Night sky made sense to me because finally here was a magazine that put it in my language. Alas in todays day and age, profit always wins. I wonder though , will sky and telescope change to be more beginner freindly?? will that effect its current readers, lots to think about. Wish you and all the writers and editors at night sky mag. A merry christmas and a happy new years.
-------------------- andy
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badsnoopy
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Thanks for sharing the info with us Rick. I really enjoy my Night Sky and will miss seeing it go. As others I also subscribe to Astronomy and Sky and Telescope. Actually I just started my S&T. Think there is a place for both.
Might there be any addition to the S&T with a section aimed at beginners? I know when I first went to the library looking at magazines S&T felt more like a science based magazine than hobby. Now that I understand more about the terminology and such I can relate to the magazine better.
-------------------- Robert
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NewStar
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I wish there were an astronomy magazine for children, because I think young people are not getting much interested in astronomy these days. As a result, young people aren't taking the place of old people who are dying. That might explain the plummeting circulation of Astronomy and Sky & Telescope.
During the 1980s, there was Odyssey, but it got sold and has since morphed into something completely different.
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Matthew Ota
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It is too bad that the magazine failed, most likely due to poor newsstand sales and subscriptions. But I am merely speculating.
It was a good introductory magazine for astronomy, and will be missed.
-------------------- Matthew Ota (yes it is my real name)
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deepskeye
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I don't think it is just a rumor. At SkyTonight.com home page on the side states"Night Sky magazine to case publication" I like others find this a shame.Article states Mar./Apr.07 will be last issue. Great magazine I hate to see it cease.
-------------------- I stood upon a silent hill
And stared into the sky until
My eyes were blind with stars and still
I stared into the sky.
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