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KennyJ

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Re: Zhumell 20x80s on Sale new [Re: Mike Rapchak]
      #1308331 - 12/17/06 03:30 PM

Mike ,

You can order Oberwerk binoculars directly from Kevin B. from the following web site :

http://www.bigbinoculars.com/

And / or Garrett binoculars from Zach G. at :

http://www.garrettoptical.com/

Regards , Kenny

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If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton





Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera


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Re: Zhumell 20x80s on Sale new [Re: Mike Rapchak]
      #1308334 - 12/17/06 03:33 PM

Definitely order direct from a place like Oberwerk or Garrett. Both companies are personally run by their owners, who are themselves not only knowledgeable but avid optics/observers (not to mention both being fine members of Cloudy Nights). These are guys you can get on the phone and really talk to, and they answer your emails to them themselves.

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Re: Zhumell 20x80s on Sale new [Re: Joad]
      #1308482 - 12/17/06 05:27 PM

BillC,

I appreciate your words of wisdom. I can feel your frustration. I only recently (2006) became interested in binocular astronomy and bird watching.

When I started out I was new to binocular optics and wasn't really aware of all the problems that I have since been exposed to, through different optics talk forums. (I never knew that there WAS such a thing as "optics talk forums").

I started out, cautiously, purchasing binoculars with familiar brand names on them, such as Nikon and Pentax, at entry level prices, to test the waters.

I sold my first Nikon Action 16x50 after only three months because the ghosting was not to my liking when viewing a full moon. Nikon advertised them under the heading of astronomy, at the time I purchased them, so I figured I could "trust" their advertisements.

Prior to the Nikon I had purchased a Pentax 20x60 PCF WP II and sent them in for warranty repair, because I was experiencing excessive blackout, and I felt that the focusing was not 100% on the mark. After receiving them back I was somewhat satisfied with the repair work but not entirely.

I had an opportunity to look through another brand new Pentax 20x60 in a Sporting Goods Store and discovered that there was absolutely no blackout problem present in a more current production model. Needless to say, I sent mine back to Pentax requesting a "replacement". That was a month ago and I am still waiting for a reply.

In between all of this I had purchased my first Garrett Optical Gemini 20x80LW giant binocular and have not been the same, since then. I really am excited about giant binoculars. I can't remember having so much fun, whether it is long distance bird watching, or, backyard stargazing.

I have been out of work for over a year, so I couldn't afford/justify spending alot of money on binoculars. However, I really wanted to try a 30x80, and my wife who is still working, gave me the green light on a Barska 30x80 X-Trail, for my birthday, last month.
Unfortunately, the first two that I received had collimation problems, so, I had to do the "send back" routine until the dealer credited my credit card and dropped out of the picture.

I had been in touch with Barska the entire time, and when the dealer decided to stop playing the "musical binoculars" dance, with me, I was able to get a 30x80 hand-picked directly from Barska, in California.

My reason for sharing all of this is to let you know that some of us didn't start out with alot of experience or good advice, when we began this journey.

Hopefully I "am" learning from my mistakes, and the future WILL be brighter, in the binocular optics department.


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Pentax 12x50mm PCF WP II FMC/WP/FP
Pentax 16x60mm PCF WP FMC/WP/FP
Pentax 20x60mm PCF WP II FMC/WP/FP
Orion 12x63mm Mini Giant FMC/JAPAN
Orion 15x70mm Little Giant II FMC/JAPAN
Orion 16x80mm Giant FMC/JAPAN
Orion 20x70mm Little Giant II FMC/JAPAN
Orion 30x80mm MEGAView FMC/JAPAN
Barska 30x80mm X-Trail LW FC
Burgess Optical Series II 20x90mm FMC/WP/FP

Handel's Messiah**Hallelujah! For the LORD God Omnipotent Reigneth

Edited by hallelujah (12/17/06 05:30 PM)


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KennyJ

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Re: Zhumell 20x80s on Sale new [Re: hallelujah]
      #1308528 - 12/17/06 06:09 PM

< My reason for sharing all of this is to let you know that some of us didn't start out with alot of experience or good advice, when we began this journey. >

Hallelujah ,

I'm not sure that ANY of us here , or anywhere else for that matter , STARTED OUT with a lot of experience OR good advice !

The main difference between most people interested in the subject is the number of years it is since they " started out " -- probably no better informed that you were before joining this forum .

As far as I see things , the MAIN reason for this forum existing , is to TRY to HELP each other to learn more about and enjoy using binoculars .

SOMETIMES , sadly , genuine attempts to HELP are misunderstood .

Even when a group membership consists of 95% of people who are friendly , and doing nothing more than try to help and share experiences with all honesty , due to the restrictive nature of " cyberpace " communication , it is inevitable that from time to time , misunderstandings or minor disagreements are BOUND to take place .

In many ways , we've never had it so good .

As the year 2007 approaches , the current crop of the BEST of the Chinese binoculars , if purchased from RELIABLE , QUALIFIED , CARING suppliers , represent , in REAL , RELATIVE terms , the best value for money ever to be made available for " the working classes " .

I'm well known on this forum for singing the praises of HIGH QUALITY binoculars , but perhaps less well known for the fact that I struggled along for over 35 years with binoculars of inferior quality to many which can be purchased these days for the price of a tank of diesel .

Regards ,

Kenny

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If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton





Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera


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Mike Rapchak
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Re: Zhumell 20x80s on Sale new [Re: KennyJ]
      #1308767 - 12/17/06 08:26 PM

Kenny,

You sure hit the nail on the head with this reply! Thank you!

I've only recently come into the realm of big-bino astronomical viewing (since the beginning of November) and I already can see the joys and pitfalls of the pursuit. I think that most newbies are like me (and this also includes those who purchase and use telescopes): high, idealistic - and unfortuntately often slightly unrealistic - expectations. My personal feelings (and advice to all newbies) is: whatever happens, don't give up! Don't let that intial discouragement kill your new-found interest in this most fascinating of pursuits.

I think, though, that I can speak for all of us here newbies and veterans alike: Once astronomy/sky-viewing gets into your blood you'll never be able to really turn your back upon it. It is something that exists upon a certain level - and one that is beyond words to adequately describe - that, once you experience it, you'll never be quite the same without it.

Three cheeers for it all - and for wonderful folks like you Cloudy Night members who, in spite of the occasional misunderstandings, are so gracious, helpful, and generous with your accumaulated knowledge.

Mike Rapchak Jr.


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Mike Rapchak
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Re: Zhumell 20x80s on Sale new [Re: Mike Rapchak]
      #1308776 - 12/17/06 08:28 PM


And shame on me for my lousy spelling!

Mike R.


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Mike Rapchak
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Re: Zhumell 20x80s on Sale new [Re: Joad]
      #1308784 - 12/17/06 08:33 PM

Joad,

Thank you VERY MUCH for your information! This is a great relief to me - especially when considering the purchase of an $1800 piece of equipment!

Mike Rapchak Jr.


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BillC
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Re: Zhumell 20x80s on Sale new [Re: Mike Rapchak]
      #1308881 - 12/17/06 09:22 PM

>>>BillC,
Unfortunately, the first two that I received had collimation problems, so, I had to do the "send back" routine until the dealer credited my credit card and dropped out of the picture.

I had been in touch with Barska the entire time, and when the dealer decided to stop playing the "musical binoculars" dance, with me, I was able to get a 30x80 hand-picked directly from Barska, in California. raying<<<

Ah, but everything is relative. I’m quite confident that there on those on this list who would use the binoculars you returned and swear to all that they were the greatest things since sliced bread.

Of course, I get accused of being an elitist. But from my standpoint, there is nothing wrong with being a professional optician / optical engineer / optical technician / optical author, except there are always those who are gunning for you. The fact is all optical advice is not the same. Bragging? ‘Don’t know. General Patton said, “If you’ve done it, it ain’t braggin’. Well, I know the industry pretty well and I have gone into to few thousand binoculars over the last 36 years. I don’t think I need to apologize for that. Am I a bad person for knowing my profession. If I am ever corrected, I am thrilled, because error is turned to truth and that helps the community.

When the murderer of Wild Bill Hickok was asked why he shot him in the back of the head, he said it was because he knew that “to try to shot him from the front would be suicide.” That’s the way I feel about trying to help those new to the community with optical stuff. Anyone can say whatever they want as long as the throw in the “I feel,” “I believe,” and “I have been told” lines. If unsubstantiated Blarney starts with a cocky attitude, I will not stay my hand.

You have a good attitude and common sense; you will go far.

Cheers,

Bill

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Founding Editor, Amateur Telescope Making Journal
20-year vet. of Captain's Nautical Supplies, Optics Dept. Mgr.
Optics Machanic, WG11-3306, Ft. Lewis, Tacoma,WA
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Re: Zhumell 20x80s on Sale new [Re: BillC]
      #1308959 - 12/17/06 10:07 PM

I knew there was a reason why we require all Binoculars forum users to check their shootin' irons at the door.

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Re: Zhumell 20x80s on Sale new [Re: SaberScorpX]
      #1309306 - 12/18/06 03:31 AM

Hi Mike R.,

FYI, Oberwerk binoculars can be purchased directly: try bigbinocular.com.

Best regards,
Dave.


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Re: Zhumell 20x80s on Sale new [Re: DJB]
      #1309307 - 12/18/06 03:35 AM

Correction: That should be bigbinoculars.com. Sorry.

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Re: Zhumell 20x80s on Sale new [Re: DJB]
      #1309310 - 12/18/06 03:43 AM

the zhumell deal is now over, drats! i was seriously thinking about getting them.

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Jim

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Meade 80mm refractor
Orion 70mm refractor
Barska 15x70
Obies 11x56
Canon 400D
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BillC
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Re: Zhumell 20x80s on Sale new [Re: Joad]
      #1309857 - 12/18/06 12:21 PM

Quote:

I knew there was a reason why we require all Binoculars forum users to check their shootin' irons at the door.




Ahw shucks, Marshall JOAD, since you and Wyatt got to town, tain't been narry a minute's fun.

Cheers,

Bill

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Founding Editor, Amateur Telescope Making Journal
20-year vet. of Captain's Nautical Supplies, Optics Dept. Mgr.
Optics Machanic, WG11-3306, Ft. Lewis, Tacoma,WA
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Mike Rapchak
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Re: Zhumell 20x80s on Sale new [Re: DJB]
      #1310550 - 12/18/06 06:37 PM


Thank you very much for the info, DJB!

Mike R.


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Re: Zhumell 20x80s on Sale new [Re: coopman]
      #1310792 - 12/18/06 08:15 PM

Quote:

Garrett Optical's quality checks before shipment make their binos a reliable product.




From all I've read here and elsewhere, I believe that exactly the same statement can be made about binoculars from bigbinoculars.com (Oberwerk).

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Re: Zhumell 20x80s on Sale new [Re: hallelujah]
      #1312409 - 12/19/06 05:29 PM

Quote:

In between all of this I had purchased my first Garrett Optical Gemini 20x80LW giant binocular and have not been the same, since then.




I enjoyed reading that as the 20X80 LW is what got me back into bino observing. The Lightweight models don't get much respect as they are not robust for obvious reasons and must be treated with great care. But they do work for me as I've used them for nature viewing and astro use. In my opinion they are as big as you can go hand held. For astro observing even a medium weight camera tripod is sufficient for steady views.
Bonco


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KennyJ

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Re: Zhumell 20x80s on Sale new [Re: Bonco]
      #1312539 - 12/19/06 06:40 PM

Mike ,

I suspect some people may be guilty of reading too fast !

My post number #1308331 above , provided simple , clear advice on how best to obtain Oberwerk or Garretts !

Kenny

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If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton





Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera


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Mike Rapchak
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Re: Zhumell 20x80s on Sale [Re: KennyJ]
      #1312743 - 12/19/06 08:46 PM


Gotcha, Kenny! Again, many thanks!

Mike R.


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