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Upgrading a C11 to Carbon Fiber Tube
      #1502470 - 03/24/07 06:53 AM

Upgrading a C11 to Carbon Fiber Tube

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Re: Upgrading a C11 to Carbon Fiber Tube new [Re: asaint]
      #1502509 - 03/24/07 07:54 AM

Nice report on upgrading the CST tube. My NS11GPS is carbon fiber and has taken many a bump and still looks as good as new where as a aluminum tube would definately show dents. Honestly Celestron should have kept the the tube on the CPC line carbon fiber. I would have paid the extra hundred or so but I guess they were trying to keep cost down. anyway something for SCT aluminum owners to think about.

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Re: Upgrading a C11 to Carbon Fiber Tube new [Re: Mike28]
      #1502958 - 03/24/07 12:51 PM

Seems like $300 is a lot for something that isn't drilled correctly. I know you noted that this should not be a problem in the future, but still....

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Re: Upgrading a C11 to Carbon Fiber Tube new [Re: Mike28]
      #1502962 - 03/24/07 12:54 PM

"Working on carbon fiber material requires extra safety precaution compared to other materials. You should wear safety glasses, a dust respirator, and protective clothing when cutting, sanding or drilling, to limit exposure to the dust, which could enter your skin/bloodstream and causing cancer."

Someone in the CF industry told me that.

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Re: Upgrading a C11 to Carbon Fiber Tube new [Re: Arief]
      #1504637 - 03/25/07 09:33 AM

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Seems like $300 is a lot for something that isn't drilled correctly.




I agree Neil. The vendor is just starting out and assured me the holes are now correctly drilled and apologized.


Quote:

the dust, which could enter your skin/bloodstream and causing cancer."
Someone in the CF industry told me that.




Safety Issues:


Anyone undertaking the drilling a few small holes in any substance should consult the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) for that substance on file with various Governmental agencies and freely available online. They should also observe the published safety sheets and instructions provided with their drill and drill bits which state the use of eye and other protection.

The MSDS for Carbon Fiber SPI #11431-AB, 11431-BA, 11433-AB, 11433-BA, 11435-AB, 11435-BA, 11436-BA, and 11436-AB Carbon Fiber and Carbon Thread list the hazards to continuous exposure to these compounds. While the information is involved here is a relevant excerpt regarding "causing Cancer":

Quote:

Potential Health Effects:

Eye: Dust may cause eye irritation

Skin Contact: Dust may cause skin irritation.

Skin Absorption: Not expected to be a major route of entry.

Ingestion: Not known

Inhalation: Small graphite fibers or dust are suspected as being possible
inhalation hazards.

Chronic effects: A review of the literature does not show obvious long
term hazard.


Carcinogenicty: No component known to be present in this product and is
at > 0.1% is presently listed as a carcinogen by IARC
or OSHA unless other wise noted.

Routes of exposure: Inhalation

Permissible exposure:
15 MCCPF OSHA TWA, 10 mg/m3 ACGIH TWA (Total Dust)




A quick calculation (using my rusty math) of the permissable continuous exposure shows 10mg/m3 would be reached if one drilled 187,321 holes per hour in thin material in a closed shop with no active ventilation. While acceptable this would not be advised. A chemical fume hood is advised if occasionlally cutting rolls of the material.

While any activity can subject one to dangers working with thin carbon fiber OTA for a short period using safety precautions provided with a drill or Dremel tool does not, according to MSDS published data, present any toxic exposure. Literature indicates less exposure than working with plywood (Formaldehyde content) or pumping gasoline.

This product does show simlar inhalation exposure as carbon fiber and similar precautions should be exercised when using. This would include respiration and ear protection. The dust does present a fire problem and should be handled with care. Chemical fume hoods should be considered in all areas of use.




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Re: Upgrading a C11 to Carbon Fiber Tube new [Re: JerryWise]
      #2558896 - 08/04/08 06:31 AM

"The vendor is just starting out and assured me the holes are now correctly drilled and apologized."

@Jerry: Hi Jerry, would you mind telling where to purchase those CF tube upgrades?
I'm interested in one for my C-11

Thanx in advance, Clear skies,
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