Tom Polakis
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Several people on a mailing list of observers in Arizona spotted the crescent moon tonight just shy of 15 hours after New. My wife Jenn and I were among them, using 10x30mm IS binoculars from Tempe Butte in metropolitan Phoenix. We first sighted it about 20 minutes after sunset, and followed it for the next 15 minutes. It disappeared in the city's mass of particulates before it set behind the distant White Tank Mountains.
I took a few pictures of the crescent moon using a 300mm lens on a Canon 20D camera.
My personal best was 12 1/2 hours, which was beat by a full hour by Iranian observers.
Tom
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kraterkid
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Great pictures Tom! About as thin a crescent as I've ever seen photographed here. Wonderful urban context. Quite a lovely sight, captured expertly!
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Nice catch and beautiful pics, Tom.
Thanks for sharing.
I had a tough enough time spotting Sol thru
the clouds.
Stephen
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Nice capture!
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novbabies
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Wow, those are awesome in the true sense of the word - spectacular!!!
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Wow. Amazing you found it.
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Fantabulous, Tom!!
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That was a marvelous catch, Tom. Arizona seems to have been the right location. Were you able to discern it at all with your naked eyes?
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desertstars
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Dang, that's slim!
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Tom Polakis
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Quote:
That was a marvelous catch, Tom. Arizona seems to have been the right location. Were you able to discern it at all with your naked eyes?
I was not able to see it with unaided vision, but a couple people at other Arizona sites did see it.
Tom
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Howdy all;
I traveled about 75 miles west of Phoenix, about 12 miles SW of the Palo Verde power plant. I did not take any photos, but the thin Moon was easy in my 8X42 binoculars at 7:22 and I saw it naked eye at 7:33. There was some low haze that made the background a medium yellow-orange color. It had been a while since I had chased such a thin crescent, I had forgotten how fascinating that view can be. I estimated the crescent at 120 degrees in the Nexstar 11 with a 27mm eyepiece. There were several breaks in the crescent.
Making a drawing with the twilight that bright certainly means I did NOT need a red flashlight. It was the easiest drawing I have ever made.
Lots of fun; Steve Coe
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Great moon catches guys, I tried to find the crescent from Chicago, but couldn't find it with 10x50 binoculars,there was some haze and clouds near the horizon or the moon was just to dim and close to the horizon..
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Naked-eye? Way to go, Steve!
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Awesome observations guys!
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For those who may be interested in other observations of this crescent, a detailed report from Tucson by veteran crescent watchers Jim Stamm and John Polacheck may be read on the Islamic Crescents' Observation Project page at:
http://www.icoproject.org/icop/rat28.html
Stamm and Polacheck, observing with an 8-inch SCT, report first seeing a 5 degree long segment of the crescent at 6:58 pm local time (01:58 UT on April 18, 2007), when the percent illumination would have been 0.54 percent (elongation from Sun 8.4 degrees). After a short while, they say, they had the impression of this growing "instantaneously" into an 80 degree long arc, with the brighter sections becoming connected over the next 35-40 minutes.
Since the theoretical width of the crescent changed by no more than 1 arc-second during this interval, the rapidly changing appearances should probably be taken as an indication of the difficulties (at the start) of perceiving a faint target in a sky of nearly equal brightness, rather than as real changes in the lighting pattern on the Moon. Stamm is the same careful observer who reported that a record crescent he observed at an elongation of 7.7 degrees (in January 1996, also from Tucson Sky and Telescope Dec. 96, pp. 104-106)) appeared unbroken over its full 45 degree length, even though he had seen fatter crescents broken.
Stamm and Polacheck do not mention if, when first seen, the brightest parts of the crescent had a point-like appearance resembling the well-documented beads of light seen beyond the cusps of the terminator in later phases. However, given that the theoretical width of crescent was about 11 arc seconds (0.0054 of the lunar diameter) at its thickest point, the initial 5-degree long arc (0.044 of the lunar diameter) must have been at least 8 times as long as it was wide, probably more.
The ICOP website describes many additional sightings of this crescent, starting in Iran. It must, of course, have been seen by many observers at longitudes between those of Tucson and Esfahan, but we do not have their descriptions or photos.
On my monitor, the most bead-like of these photos is the one from Kuwait taken by Ali Demashq at an elongation of about 16 degrees; but it does not appear bead-like at all when viewed at its full size.
As for myself, from 117.89W/33.64N, I looked for, but was unable to see, the crescent (at 8.7 degrees elongation) using a 4-inch telescope in a less than favorable sky. However this is hardly surprising because, due to coastal clouds, it was possible to track the expected position of the Moon for only about 15 minutes after the Sun was blocked by nearby homes and trees, taking it barely to the theoretical time of sunset on a level horizon (Stamm and Polacheck spotted the crescent 7 minutes after the actual and 2 minutes before the theoretical sunset time). Clouds similarly prevented me from seeing the rising of the old crescent before sunrise the previous morning.
A storm system cleared out the clouds by the next evening, on which the crescent was easily visible; although, of course, by then, at an elongation of 23 degrees (4% illuminated) the central part of the limb, as it probably is in Ali's photo, was perfectly continuous. The final thin extensions near the cusps, at this phase, looked much more arc-like than point-like to me.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding what this group means by "Saber's Beads," but it remains unclear to me that there actually exists a distinct lunar phase in which the whole length of the visible crescent (as seen with adequate magnification under good conditions), or even a substantial part of it, breaks up into points resembling the dots of light commonly seen at the cusps.
-- Jim Mosher
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Perhaps I am misunderstanding what this group means by "Saber's Beads..."
A question I just put to the group in the related thread "More Beads and Slivers." Answering it here would be redundant (and a bit off topic for this particular thread. )
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Great catch Tom, well done!
Regards, Stefan
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