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BobinKy
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Rich N.:
Thank you for your comments.
I hear you about testing the Zeiss 8x20s. However, my research funds and resources have run out. What I have on loan or 30-day review are all that I have. When I figure out which 20 and which 32 I prefer the most, then I can return the others and test the Zeiss 20 if I feel the need.
I am already hearing from folks that think I am testing the wrong 32s. They say I should have selected the Nikon Premier LXL 8x32, Leica Ultravid 8x32 & 7x42, Zeiss Victory FL 8x32 T* & 7x42, Swarovski EL 8x32 & SLCnew 7x42.
I read somewhere that it would be a mistake to put your eye up to something you know you cannot afford. So, I have been reluctant to look through the mid-size Leicas, Zeiss, or Swarovskis.
After 18 hours, I can say I like the design and feel of Swarovskis. Truly an ergonomic thing, for sure.
-------------------- Bob
38° Kentucky, USA
Edited by BobinKy (08/16/07 01:57 PM)
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Bob ( in K )
I'm thoroughly enjoying following your hour by hour reports .
Already , amongst so many other things , the countless thousands out there who must be thirsting for advice on which compacts to choose for spotting spotted spaniels , have received invaulable information ! :-)
I still wish you could have found a way of trying a Zeiss Anniversary 8 x 30 BGAT classic roof !
Regards , Kenny
-------------------- If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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tjswood
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Bob -
Did I mention that the Swarovski's were worth a look? As I stated, I liked them the best too... but purchased the Nikon's because of the financial aspect - they were $200 less and in the ballpark of quality. I think the Swarovski is a better optic, IMHO...
... hard to argue with that choice... unless, of course you consider Kenny's recommendation of the Zeiss... never viewed through them, but recall reading about them. They may be truly the best of the best!
Bottom line - how much do you want to spend for 20 mm of aperture? If $$ were infinite, it would not matter!
Good luck on your choice, and look forward to the next few hours of impressions before bedtime!!
Tim
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BobinKy
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3:30 p.m. I am sitting on the couch with the 8x20s. The UPS truck runs around 4:30 p.m. I am going to use the next hour or so to do a few more tests on the 20s.
Haze test. I live in a subdivision on top of a hill overlooking the Kentucky River. I cannot see the river from my house, but I can the see sloping hills rising from the river bottom, as well as towers at the top of the next hill. There usually is a lot of haze and thermal activity across the river. The distance from my home (elev. 802 ft.), across the river valley (elev. 486 ft.), up the slope, to the towers at the top of the next hill (elev. 785 ft.) is 3.60 miles. The azimuth direction of the towers is 260°, 10° short of due West. Although I will not be looking directly into the sun, it will be close by. The temperature is 100° F, humidity is 33%, and there is more than average haze and thermal activity.
The purpose of the haze test is to see how the 8x20s penetrate haze and bring out detail from the towers, 3.60 miles away.
The Nikon Premier did the best at penetrating the haze and bringing out more detail in the towers, as well as detail in the trees on the slope coming up from the river. The Leica Ultravid was not far behind the Nikon, however, the view through the Leica was bright and hurt my eyes. The Nikon view was more restful. The Swarovskis trailed the Leicas; however, the view through the Swarovskis was more restful to my eyes, so I will rank them above the Leicas. There is something about the Leica Ultravids that make me squint when viewing through the haze, which is not present in either of the other two models.
This reminds me of something my engineering friend told me. He, and the other staff who regularly take 8x20s to job sites, report some days Leicas are better and other days Nikons are better. My guess is Leica days are atmospherically different from Nikon days. I will have to ask him if he has been able to tell beforehand, if the day in the field will be a Leica day or a Nikon day. As for those who prefer the Swarovskis--it appears they prefer them day after day, no switching models. For the Swarovski surveyors and engineers, ergonomics is the number one factor that influences their pick from the binocular shelf in the equipment room.
When I added the Swift Audubon 820ED 8.5x44 to the haze test, I discovered the Nikon view surpassed the Audubon ED view. The reason for this is today is a very bright hot day, the Audubon ED has 44mm apertures, and consequently pick up more light, which may wash out the views somewhat. This is just a guess, I am not sure.
Here are the results from the haze test. 1. Nikon Premiers 8x20
2. Swarovskis 8x20B
3. Leica Ultravids 8x20 4:45 p.m. The UPS truck still has not come. So I decide to try another test with the 8x20s. I will call this the hand shake test. The purpose is to see which of the three models has less shake when held from a standing position. The target is a large oak tree 0.50 miles from my house, azimuth 200°, 20° to the West of due South.
The results of the hand shake test are as follows:1. Nikon Premiers 8x20
2. Leica Ultravids 8x20
3. Swarovskis 8x20B The reason for reducing hand shake appears to come from the design of the plate between the barrels. The Nikon, with less hand shake, has a pronounced groove in the center of the top plate. By placing the tips of my fingers along this groove and pressing down I find I can hold the Nikon very steady. The Leica came in second. The groove in the top plate is less pronounced and the finger tips do not "dig in" as much. The Swarovskis, with a flat top plate (no groove), had the most hand shake.
5:20 p.m. The UPS truck is late. I checked the tracking number and the 32s are on the truck scheduled for delivery today. I think I'll walk one of the dogs--It's only 100° F. I'll be fine as long as I wear my straw hat. The dog, on the other hand, does not have a straw hat.
-------------------- Bob
38° Kentucky, USA
Edited by BobinKy (08/16/07 08:22 PM)
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Bob ( in K )
I find myself even more drawn to your comparison reports now you appear to have introduced a FOURTH 20mm compact binocular into the test arena - -
-- namely the Swarvoskis ! :-)
Given the uncanny similarity of name to Swarovski , one wonders whether or not any similarity ends there ?
Intrigued :-)
Kenny ( in L )
-------------------- If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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BobinKy
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Kenny:
Thank you for the vo-->ov correction. I will go back and make the required spelling changes.
Cut and paste--it can lead to multiple mistakes when we copy the same mistake over and over.
-------------------- Bob
38° Kentucky, USA
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hallelujah
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Bob,
Are you planning on doing any dawn or dusk comparisons to see which binocular can "see" the best in low light situations?
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Pentax 16x60mm PCF WP FMC/WP/FP
Pentax 20x60mm PCF WP II FMC/WP/FP
Orion 12x63mm Mini Giant FMC/JAPAN
Orion 15x70mm Little Giant II FMC/JAPAN
Orion 16x80mm Giant FMC/JAPAN
Orion 20x70mm Little Giant II FMC/JAPAN
Orion 30x80mm MEGAView FMC/JAPAN
Barska 30x80mm X-Trail LW FC
Burgess Optical Series II 20x90mm FMC/WP/FP
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BobinKy
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6:01 p.m. The UPS truck arrives. My dog and I meet the driver at the curb.
8:30 p.m. After supper I open the box from Eagle Optics. The three 32s are inside.Leupold Katmai 6x32
Minox HG 8x33 BR
Pentax 8x32 DCF ED The Minox and Pentax boxes appear to have been opened somewhere along the way. The Leupold box is wrapped in cellophane and does not appear to have been opened.
I open the Minox box first. The following literature is inside the box:(1) Quality inspection certificate telling me in seven languages "This product has been inspected according to the strict quality controls set by MINOX Gmgh in Germany." Someone's initials are written in ink at the bottom of the certificate.
(2) Instruction manual (14-pages of nice glossy card stock) in three languages: English, French, and German. The manual is for all five models in the Minox HG series.
Page 1: Fold out photograph with various parts identified; customer service address, telephone, e-mail, and website.
Pages 2-3: Statement attesting to the highest quality of Minox binoculars.
Pages 4-5: Eye cup instructions for those with/without glasses.
Pages 6-7: Instructions for adjusting diopter.
Pages 8-9: Focus dial and distance scale (meters).
Pages 10-11: Tripod use, cleaning the lenses, and factory number.
Pages 12-14: Specifications table for all five models.
Pages 15-17: Blank lined pages for user notes.
Specifications table
Magnification: 8X
Front lens diameter: 1.30 inch / 33 mm
Exit pupil: 0.16 inch / 4.1 mm
Field of view: 7.5° (394.6 ft / 130.9 m)
Eye relief: 0.59 inch / 15 mm
Close distance: 6.6 ft / 2 m
Over run: 4 dpt
Diopter adjustment: ± 2 dpt
Twilight factor: 16.2
Geom. twilight no.: 17
Operating temperature: 14° up to 122°F / -10° up to +50°C
Waterproof: Yes, up to 16.4 ft / 5 m
Height x Width x Depth: 4.92 x 5.00 x 1.97 inch / 125 x 127 x 50 mm
Weight approx.: 21.3 oz / 605 g
(3) Warranty Card
30 years
5 years: faulty manufacture
Exclusions: rubber eye cups, rubber armouring, carrying strap and accessories.
(4) Market research card: User demographics.
(5) Product tag attached to one of the strap posts lists the following:
HG Series
Aspherical Lenses
Magnesium Housing
Quick Close Focus
Distance Scale
Minobright (Prism Coating)
SCHOTT German Glass
Argon Gas inside The case has a leather feel, however, I am sure it is some kind of synthetic product made to give the appearance of leather. There is minor padding on the inside of the case. A plastic clasp secures the case cover closed. A canvas belt loop is on the back. The case measures 6.25 (H) x 5.75 (W) x 2.25 (D) inches. The strap is enclosed in a separate plastic bag.
Upon unclasping the top and opening the case, it does not appear that the binoculars have ever been out of the case since they left the factory. Packed inside the case is a silica-gel pack to detour moisture; strap; and binoculars, rain guard, and objective lens covers neatly wrapped inside a plastic bag. Both the rain guard and objective covers have attachments designed for the strap to slide through.
The binoculars are covered with black rubber armor, except for the metal focus wheel, metal diopter ring, and metal strap post.
The shiny metal focus wheel is the aesthetic hot spot of the design. The wheel turns easily and can be focused with precision by using the first fingers of both hands. Using one finger from only one hand does not produce precision results as easily.
Another aesthetic feature of the focus wheel is the distance scale that measures the distance to the area in focus. The distance scale measures from 1.7 yards to infinity. The specifications table in the instruction book states the distance scale measures in meters. However, the word "yard" is clearly marked on the distance scale itself.
The diopter ring pulls out for adjustment and pushes in to lock.
When you hold the binoculars you sense the sturdy build. The black rubber armor is not squeegy, but firm and hard. In fact the sturdy motif is evident throughout--black box, black case, black rubber armor.
The objective lens covers fit inside the barrels, rather than over the end of the barrels. They fit snugly with a soft "pop" sound when inserted inside the barrels.
The eye cups twist up with four locking positions.
My paws fit nicely around the barrels when I hold them up to my face. However, the feel is unlike any other binoculars I have held.
I am looking forward to field testing the Minox.
-------------------- Bob
38° Kentucky, USA
Edited by BobinKy (08/18/07 07:14 PM)
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BobinKy
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7:15 a.m. After my first cup of coffee, I open the box of the Pentax 8x32 DCF ED.
The following literature is inside the box:(1) Owner's manual (single sheet of thin glossy card stock folded, presenting multiple panels) in eight languages: German, French, Italian, English, Spanish, Dutch, Chinese, and Japanese. There are only six panels (pages) for each language. The manual is for all four models in the Pentax DCF ED series.
Panel 1: Fold out illustration with various parts identified; customer service address, telephone, e-mail, and website.
Panel 2: Pentax global addresses, 10 locations.
Panel 3: Illustrations to avoid looking directly at the sun, dropping the binocualars, or leaving them in the car on hot days.
Panel 4: Features, warnings, and handling precautions.
Panel 5: Eyepiece rings ( eye cups), adjusting eyepiece width, adjusting diopter, mounting on tripod, and attaching neck strap.
Panel 6: Specification table
Type: Porro prism, center focusing (innerfocusing), diopter adjustment lock, waterproof
Magnification: 8x
Effective diameter of objective lens: 32 mm
Real field of view: 7.5°
Field of view at 1000 m: 131
Field of view at 1000 yards: 393 ft.
Exit pupil aperture: 4 mm
Relative brightness: 16
Eye relief: 17 mm
Focusing range: 1.5 m to infinity / 4.9 ft to infinity
Eye width (ocular distance): 58 mm to 74 mm / 2.3 in. to 2.9 in.
Waterproof: 1 m depth of water, nitrogen filled
Height x width: 127 x 126 mm / 5.0 x 5.0 in.
Thickness: 53 mm (2.1 in.)
Weight: 665 g / 23.5 oz.
Accessories: Objective lens caps, rain-shielding eyepiece cap, case, neck strap.
(2) "Worry Free" Warranty
Lifetime to original owner.
Repair or replace (no fault) for $19.95.
Exclusions: cosmetic damage, theft, or loss.
(3) Product Registration Card
Return within 10 days of purchase
User information & market research user demographics
(4) Pentax Worldwide Service Network
Seven continents, many addresses.
The case is canvas-like material and forest green in color. The top flap is secured with velcro. There is no belt loop and the letters SPS are stamped on the bottom of the case. The case measures 5.5 (H) x 5.75 (W) x 2.75 (D) inches. The strap is enclosed in a separate plastic bag.
Upon opening the case, it appears the binoculars have been out of the case. The binoculars, rain guard, and objective lens covers are wrapped inside a plastic bag. The rain guard has attachments designed for the strap to slide through.
The binoculars are covered with forest green rubber armor, except for the focus wheel, diopter ring, and eye cups, which are black rubber armor. The manufacturer does not want the user to forget the brand of the binoculars, because the name "Pentax" appears seven times, and can be seen from all angles.
The focus wheel has smooth action and can be focused with precision by using the first fingers of both hands or one finger from only one hand.
The diopter ring pulls out for adjustment and pushes in to lock.
The objective lens covers fit inside the barrels, rather than over the end of the barrels. They fit snugly with a soft "pop" sound when inserted inside the barrels.
The eye cups twist up with four locking positions.
When I hold the binoculars the strap eye protrudes uncomfortably under the the palms at the end of my first finger. I mention this because it is annoying. The forest green rubber armor is squeegy. The binocular barrels lack that comfort fit in my paws when I hold them up to my face.
Later today, I will start field testing the Pentax.
-------------------- Bob
38° Kentucky, USA
Edited by BobinKy (08/18/07 07:19 PM)
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BobinKy
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9:00 a.m. I make a new pot of coffee and open the box of the Leupold Katmai 6x32.
The following information can be found outside the box or on printed literature inside the box:(1) Features (outside of box)
• Leupold Katmai binoculars offer high performance in three popular magnification levels.
• Fully multi-coated lenses provide high photopic transmission for a bright image.
• The BK7 prisms are both phase and L-coated™ to ensure that the image is not only bright but remarkably sharp as well.
• Long eye relief and twist-up eye cups make them easy to use with or without eyeglasses.
• Close focusing distance make them an excellent choice for naturalists.
• Full size eye cups and 32mm objective lenses provide full size binocular performance from a compact size frame.
• Armored, waterproof, and nitrogen filled, they are well protected against all field conditions.
• Leupold Katmai binoculars feature the Leupold Limited Lifetime Warranty.
(2) Specification table (outside of box)
Magnification: 6x
Objective aperture (mm): 32
Field of view (ft @ 1000yd): 423.0
Field of view (m @ 1000m): 141.0
Angular field of view (degrees): 8.1
Twilight factor: 13.9
Exit pupil (mm): 5.3
Eye relief (mm): 19.2
Interpupillary distance (mm): 67.0-72.0
Close focus distance (ft): 4.9
Close focus distance (m): 1.5
100% waterproof
Weight (oz): 16.0
Weight (g): 455.0
Length (in): 4.1
Length (mm): 105.0
(3) Green Ring Binocular Operating Insturctions (15 pages, Table of Contents, nonglossy card stock) in four languages: English (bold, large, sans serif font), French, Spanish, German, German, and Italian (light, thin, microscopic sans serif font). Clearly, the English pages are the ones meant to be read.
Page 1: Adjusting interpupillary distance.
Pages 2-3: Setting the diopter adjustment, cleaning, eye cup adjustment.
Pages 4-6: Warranty
Limited lifetime, original owner, nontransferable.
Not to be confused with Full Lifetime Guarantee on Golden Ring products.
Return instructions.
(4) Product Registration Card
Return within 10 days.
User information and market research demographics.
(5) Positioning the Katmai Eye Cups
Single sheet insert. The case is foam-like material and black in color. The top flap is secured with velcro. A canvas belt loop is at the back of the case. The case measures 5.0 (H) x 5.25 (W) x 2.25 (D) inches.
Upon opening the case, it appears the binoculars have never been out of the case. The binoculars, rain guard, and objective lens covers are wrapped inside a plastic bag. The rain guard has attachments designed for the strap to slide through. The strap is enclosed in a separate plastic bag.
The binoculars are covered with black rubber armor. There is a green ring around each barrel toward the aperture end. The manufacturer name only appears once on the binoculars themselves.
The focus wheel has smooth action and can be focused with precision by using the first fingers of both hands or one finger from either hand.
The diopter rotates very tightly, but does not lock.
The objective lens covers fit outside the barrels, not tethered. The fit is loose, not snug.
The eye cups twist up with only two locking positions.
There is no tripod adapter well.
When I hold the binoculars the strap eye fits comfortably between my first and second finger. When the strap is attached, the strap will have to flow between my fingers. The black rubber armor is slightly squeegy. Without the strap, the binoculars fit perfectly in my paws when I hold them up to my face.
I resisted commenting on the views through the other two 32s. However, I feel that I must mention the first view through the Katmais--WOW! The view is bright, sharp edge to edge, and I walk into the view and touch the target. Neither the Minox or Pentax, or any of the 8x20s, delivered this WOW factor during the first view.
I don't know, guys, despite the cheap foam case, loose lens covers, nonlocking diopter ring, 2-position twist-up eye cups, no tripod adapter well, and running the strap through my fingers--this may be love at first sight, a romance that will never die.
Later today, I will start field testing the Katmais.
I can hardly wait to pack up things up and head for the local nature center: water fowl on three lakes; bear, wildcat, deer, and buffalo in open areas, and two eagles in a large enclosure. All wildlife native to the state of Kentucky. Particularly, the Wildcats, who romp across basketball courts throughout the U.S. Southeastern Conference.
-------------------- Bob
38° Kentucky, USA
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BobinKy
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10:30 a.m. Before going to the nature center, I took the six binoculars to the back porch to re-administer the tomato test.
Before I list the results, let me first paint the scene with words. We had a heavy thunderstorm last night. The temperature is a pleasant 75°, humidity 80%, visibility only 3.0 miles. There was much haze and fog earlier this morning. Now it is beginning to burn off. The tomato garden is enclosed by a metal wire fence with posts painted forest green. The tomatoes themselves are small cherry tomatoes that do not grow much larger than Scottish golf balls. The scene presents a spectrum of greens, yellows, oranges, and reds. The deepest reds are those tomatoes that should have been picked two days ago. The ground is moist from the rain and there are drops of water still hanging on to many of the leaves and tomatoes. A white butterfly with yellow spots flutters among the tomatoes hunting for remaining yellow blossoms. In the background, behind the tomato garden, is a gray cement bird bath. A morning dove demurely washes herself as I line up the binoculars on a patio table. Several song birds sing out in the oaks and evergreens along the fence row.
Here is the result of the tomato test: Leupold Katmai 6x32
Minox HG 8x33 BR
Pentax 8x32 DCF ED
Nikon Premier 8x20
Leica Ultravid 8x20
Swarovski 8x20B Maybe it was the extra FOV, eye relief, or exit pupil size--but the Katmai 6x32 gave me the best view this morning. Despite the step down in magnification from the other models, the reds were deep, graduation of reds and greens was easily discerned, the drops of rain sparkled in the emerging sun, and the demure dove was more in focus due the extended depth of field.
The Minox 8x33s came in a very close second. The color graduations were easily discerned, while the drops of rain sparkled a bit more than the Katmai 6x32s. The colors reflected the unique German optic look (I will talk about that at the end).
Pentax 8x32 came in a close third. In fact there really was not a lot of difference in the quality of the views of the 32s. The greens and reds reflected the Asian optic look.
Nikon 8x20, as with the tests from yesterday, had the best view of the 20s. However, as suggested by many people in the forums, the 20s view was inferior to the 32s view, probably due to the reduced aperture and exit pupil size. The Nikon views most closely resembled the views of the 32s. Not that far behind the Pentax.
The Leica, maybe due to the color-free "distortions" attested by my engineering friend, failed to bring out the color saturation of all of the models just mentioned. Clearly this morning's tomato test is about color, more than anything else.
As foretold by Kenny Jones four years ago, the Swarovski came in last. Two days ago, in the evening sun, the Swarovskis beat out the Leicas. But today, in the morning sun with very humid atmospherics, the Swarovskis revealed their lack of detail, which results in their last place.
Where do the Swift Audubon 820ED 8.5x44s rank? Ahead of the the Katmai 6x32s because of their increased magnification. The view itself, reproduced the same color graduation, vibrancy, and rain drop sparkle of the Katmais. The only difference was the smaller size of the Katmai binoculars and the reduced magnification of the view.
In closing, I want to talk a bit about cultural optical qualities that I observed many years ago as a photographer using the 35-mm film emulsion technology. At that time, I used three basic film manufacturers: Agfa, Fuji, and Kodak. The colors of each were distinct, yet beautiful. Agfa film displayed scenes with a rich deep quality that is difficult to describe today. It was particularly good in overcast days for greens and blues. Fuji film displayed scenes in bright colorful colors. These were magnificent colors, yet they were colors that did not appear in nature. Kodak was the best for human skin tones and was the favorite of portrait photographers.
I see the same color renditions displayed today, not through developed emulsion film, but through binocular optics. Minox, Swarovski, and, to some extent, Leica are reminiscent of the deep tones of the German film Agfa. Nikon and Pentax give bright colorful colors that are very pretty, but, like the Asian film Fuji, colors that are not found in nature. Leupold and Swift have some characteristics of American Kodak 64 film. Maybe these color thoughts are nothing more than a rambling old guy on a lazy summer morning after too many cups of coffee, whose color preferences may border a bit on ethnocentrism.
Now, on to the nature center.
-------------------- Bob
38° Kentucky, USA
Edited by BobinKy (08/17/07 12:16 PM)
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Mark9473
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Bob, this has become one of the most exciting threads on this forum ever! Are you a professional writer?
-------------------- Mark
Leica 8x20; Vixen 8x42; Swift 8.5x44, 10x50 and 20x80; TS 7x50; Orion 15x63
WO Megrez II 80 FD + Baader 90° T2 Amici
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hallelujah
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Bob,
Just a quick side note.
My wife and I have looked through some binoculars together, at local Sporting Goods Stores. Her favorite has always been the Leupold Katmai. (64 layers of L-coat anti-reflective coatings obviously produce alot in their favor)
Also, your choice of the Katmai 6x32 is incredible, as my wife and I have only been able to find the 8x and 10x in local stores, and I was really wanting to learn more about the 6x, as a possible purchase for my wife.
Thanks ahead of time for all your great reviews in a variety of areas.
We need to put you on staff full time at CN as a reviewer.
-------------------- Pentax 12x50mm PCF WP II FMC/WP/FP
Pentax 16x60mm PCF WP FMC/WP/FP
Pentax 20x60mm PCF WP II FMC/WP/FP
Orion 12x63mm Mini Giant FMC/JAPAN
Orion 15x70mm Little Giant II FMC/JAPAN
Orion 16x80mm Giant FMC/JAPAN
Orion 20x70mm Little Giant II FMC/JAPAN
Orion 30x80mm MEGAView FMC/JAPAN
Barska 30x80mm X-Trail LW FC
Burgess Optical Series II 20x90mm FMC/WP/FP
Handel's Messiah**Hallelujah! For the LORD God Omnipotent Reigneth
Edited by hallelujah (08/17/07 02:10 PM)
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Bob ( in K )
I'm particularly pleased that you are testing these binoculars in a variety of locations and at different times of the day .
Too many reviewers' opinions have been based upon short sessions at one place , at one time .
It may well prove , in the end , that there is no " outright winner " , but several " winners " in different ways , at different times , in different places , for looking at different things .
That is why I still can't place my Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT and Nikon 10 x 42 SE in any definitive order of preference , per se .
Keep on this excellent work , Bob .
As Mark said , it is an exceptionally detailed and interesting work , reported to a very high standard .
In fact , I can hardly wait for your next , and subsequent installments .
Regards , Kenny
-------------------- If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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Joe Ogiba
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Bob,
I know the Pentax 8x32 ED's have a 60° AFOV but what is the AFOV of the 6x32's. I am looking for a low power wide angle binocular like the Miyauch 5x32's .
Joe
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Apex 127,C6 XLT,CR150,C9.25,XT10
Zeiss 7x42 FL,Canon 10x42L IS WP,15x50 IS
12x36 IS II
Garrett Optical 28x110 HD-WP Signature Series
Oberwerk BT-80 45, Apogee RA-88-SA
Denk II Power x Switch binoviewer w/13mm Ethos, 20mm Pentax XW's, 20mm Widescan III's.
17mm Ethos, 22mm Nagler, 40mm Pentax XW, 14mm Pentax XL, 5.2mm Pentax XL, 8-24mm Pentax XL Zoom
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Rich N
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Hi Bob,
Thanks very much for your reports!
Have you found the 32mm binoculars small enough to meet your needs for a compact binocular?
All the best, Rich
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KennyJ
   
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Joe ,
The stated TFOV for the Katmai 6 x 32 is 8.1 degrees , making the AFOV a narrow 48.6 degrees .
Regards , Kenny
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Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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Joe Ogiba
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Kenny,
Thanks for that info, I am not interested in 6x binoculars with a narrow FOV. I guess I will wait for the Miyauchi 5x32's with 68° AFOV.
Joe
-------------------- Pentax PF-80ED,Meade 102ED APO,Orion EON 72,120ST
Apex 127,C6 XLT,CR150,C9.25,XT10
Zeiss 7x42 FL,Canon 10x42L IS WP,15x50 IS
12x36 IS II
Garrett Optical 28x110 HD-WP Signature Series
Oberwerk BT-80 45, Apogee RA-88-SA
Denk II Power x Switch binoviewer w/13mm Ethos, 20mm Pentax XW's, 20mm Widescan III's.
17mm Ethos, 22mm Nagler, 40mm Pentax XW, 14mm Pentax XL, 5.2mm Pentax XL, 8-24mm Pentax XL Zoom
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BobinKy
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08/17/2007
1:50 p.m. At the nature center I begin the bald eagle test. The enclosure for the eagles at the nature center allows me to get very close to a pair of magnificent birds. Using the distance range on the focus wheel of the Minox, I estimate my viewing distance to be six yards from the female eagle. During the test, she moves about the enclosure, jumping from ground to tree limb, frequently ruffling her large feathers, spreading her wings, and actually screaming at me in that unique voice, which, once you hear it up close, you do not forget it. The curving talons on her yellow feet exceed two inches in length. Her eyes, those unforgettable eagle eyes of dark brown pupils encased in bright gold irises, dart about her nest. When she is in the eye cups, staring directly at me, I feel like a small insignificant serf, humbling myself before royalty. I speak up and ask permission to look upon her.
The purpose of the bald eagle test is to compare resolution of detail in the various binocular models. The eagle's feathers, eyes, beak, and talons offer excellent opportunities for testing details.
Here is the result of the bald eagle test: Pentax 8x32 DCF ED
Minox HG 8x33 BR
Leupold Katmai 6x32
Nikon Premier 8x20
Leica Ultravid 8x20
Swarovski 8x20B The Pentax produces the best results in picking out fine detail in the bald eagle's feathers, golden eye, beak, and talons. The Pentax also produces the best results in bringing out the whiteness of the eagle's feathers about the neck and head.
The Minox comes in a close second. There really is not a lot of difference between the resolution of fine detail between the Pentax and Minox. In terms of color rendition, the Minox produces the best result in bringing out the gold & yellow colors of the eagle's eyes and feet, as well as the brown feathers of the chest and wings.
The Leupold produces very sharp details of the bald eagle. However, due to the reduction in magnification, the observing effect is not as dramatic as with the Pentax and Minox.
The Nikon, Leica, and Swarovski 8x20s continue their standard ranking as with the other optical field tests.
The Swift Audubon 820ED 8.5x44 places at the top of the list, ahead of the Pentax in detail.
As I conduct the bald eagle test I meet another Cloudy Nighter, who sees my backpack of binoculars and begins a conversation. He has just purchased a Zeiss Conquest 10x25. We look down at a large eagle feather floating in the moat of water between us and the eagles. He tells me about the U.S. eagle feather law. Because Native Americans continue to practice religious and spiritual customs using eagle feathers, they are the only group of people permitted to have eagle feathers in their possession. Under the current language of the eagle feather law, only individuals of certifiable Native American ancestry enrolled in a federally recognized tribe are legally authorized to obtain eagle feathers. Non-natives who are caught with an eagle feather in their possession can be fined up to $25,000.
2:20 p.m. The buffalo test comes next. The nature center exhibits six buffalo in a large fenced area. During the test, the buffalo roam about and I estimate the viewing distance to be 100, 200, and 300 yards. The test results reflect views at all three distances. The buffalo are observed in full sun. The purpose of this test is to view large animals at a distance.
Here is the result of the buffalo test: Leupold Katmai 6x32
Minox HG 8x33 BR
Pentax 8x32 DCF ED
Leica Ultravid 8x20
Nikon Premier 8x20
Swarovski 8x20B Picking which binoculars rank first place in the buffalo test is difficult. The Leupold, in my opinion, beats out both the Minox and the Pentax because the Leupold's wider field of view and reduced magnification actually produces a very aesthetic view. The roaming buffalo through tall grass in bright sun just looks more appealing through the Leupold than any of the other models. In this test, a bigger image is not a better image.
The Minox ranks above the Pentax primarily because of color rendition. The brown color of the buffalo, their wooly enlarged heads, dark brown eyes and horns are a better presentation through the Minox than through the Pentax. Also, in the full sun, the Minox presented more detail than the Pentax.
The Leicas beat out the Nikons and Swarovskis in the Buffalo test. Perhaps it is the bright sun--I really do not know. But the Leicas give the best view of the 8x20s.
3:00 p.m. Next to the buffalo exhibit is an the elk exhibit. The elk test produces the same result as the buffalo test for the same reasons. Leupold Katmai 6x32
Minox HG 8x33 BR
Pentax 8x32 DCF ED
Leica Ultravid 8x20
Nikon Premier 8x20
Swarovski 8x20B 3:30 p.m. Instead of walking to any more wild animal exhibits, I shift the backpack of binoculars from my shoulder to my back, and take a two-mile hike through a heavily wooded area adjacent to the nature center grounds. I walk along a trail in hilly terrain. About halfway down a steep ravine, I stop at the base of an old deer hunting stand. The stand had been built many years ago and now rests 15 feet up in the air in a triangle of trees--two oaks and one walnut. Every time the breeze blows, the wooden remains of the hunting stand creaks. I conduct the ravine test at the base of these large trees. At the bottom of the ravine rests a small pond. The pond is an anomaly here in the dark woods. I notice the pond has formed because a dam had been built across the creek, 20 or 30 years ago, judging by the size of the trees growing on top of the dam. I wonder if the owner of the land built the dam to provide water to attract deer to this hunting spot. The deer stand, hidden in the trees, halfway up the ravine, appears to be a perfect spot for some deer hunter of long ago.
As I unpack the binoculars, a nature hiker passes close to me on the trail, assisted by adjustable bright trekking poles displaying the Edie Bauer decal. The deer stand and the nature hiker present a contrast in the middle of this ravine. The purpose of the ravine test is to compare the various binocular models during reduced light situations.
Here is the result of the ravine test: Leupold Katmai 6x32 or Pentax 8x32 DCF ED
Minox HG 8x33 BR
Swarovski 8x20B
Nikon Premier 8x20
Leica Ultravid 8x20 I rank both Leupold and Pentax as number one for different reasons. If I am a hunter up in the deer stand, the Pentax gives me the best detail in this low light situation, where the twitch of a brown ear or the wrinkle of a nose reveals the prize I have come to claim. However, if I prefer to hug trees rather than drive nails into them, the Leupold presents the best rendering of the beauty of the ravine, perhaps, due to the greater depth of field and color rendering. This is interesting, as Leupold also manufacturers scopes for hunting rifles.
Minox trails Pentax, but not by much, in picking up detail in the low light situation, as well as trailing Leupold in pulling into the eye cups the beauty of the ravine.
I rank Swarovski at the top of the 8x20s in the ravine test because the Swarovski ergonomics seems to fit the environment. The Leica and Nikon designs are out of place in the ravine.
It is time for me to end the field tests at the nature center. After I purchase just one pair of leisure binoculars and return the rest of the lot, I plan to come back some day for other nature observing opportunities, such as the following live exhibits: Black bear
Deer
Turkey
Wildcat
Waterfowl on three lakes
Bird feeders in front of a bird blind with one-way glass
Butterflies and dragonflies in the prairie and marsh areas . . .
Field tests still to come: Night sky, building architecture, comfort, and pocketabilty.
-------------------- Bob
38° Kentucky, USA
Edited by BobinKy (08/18/07 03:37 PM)
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Rich N
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Thanks, Bob!
Nikon, Swarovski and Zeiss also make rifle scopes.
Rich
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