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Hi everyone, exposure question for you new
      #15518 - 10/22/03 05:23 PM

Hi everyone, I have a question for you experienced individuals. I recently bought a Celestron C6-RGT (6 inch refractor) and have done a few prime focus shots of the moon.I want to do eyepiece projection photography using a tele-extender on Mars and other planets. The Celestron manual says that using 400 iso film with a 10mm eyepiece I would use about a 2 second exposure. I'm going to use Fuji 800 speed film so that translates to a one second exposure (approximately) My question is, if i use a 5mm eyepiece instead of a 10 mm eyepiece, I'm doubling the image, but also spreading out the light over a larger area. Does that mean I have to increase exposure time?? and if so how much more?? Please let me know and give a short lesson on changing eyepieces versus light amount....Thank You.

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Re: Hi everyone, exposure question for you new [Re: Don25]
      #15832 - 10/24/03 06:43 AM

You have to increase the exposure time four times or 2 stops to 4 seconds. However, bracket your exposures as tables can be wrong. They don't take into account different atmospheric conditions or differences in latitude as well as your specific telescope, eyepiece, and camera. I would make a 1, 2, 4, 8, and 16 second exposure series as a test. As you gain experience, you should be able to judge exposures better. Remember, film is cheap!

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Re: Hi everyone, exposure question for you new [Re: wilash]
      #15834 - 10/24/03 06:55 AM

PS I'm assuming this is Fujicolor print film. If you are using slide film, use half stop increments in your exposure test - 1, 1.5, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 12, and 16 seconds. Good luck.

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Re: Hi everyone, exposure question for you new [Re: wilash]
      #15967 - 10/24/03 06:02 PM

Thanks Wilash, Yes I am going to use Fuji print film, but down the road I'm going to use Kodak Elite 200 slide film. I'll try out your recommendations when my back ordered camera adapter comes in.

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Re: Hi everyone, exposure question for you new [Re: Don25]
      #16198 - 10/25/03 09:33 PM

Don25:

Changing the magnification of a system by a factor of 2 will change the exposure by a factor of four - 2 stops. Changing the magnification by a factor of 1.4 will change the exposure by a factor of two - one stop.

How are you going to evaluate the negative exposures? You have a greater exposure latitude with negative film. It is possible to over expose a negative 3 of 4 stops and still get a descent print. I'm bring this up, because when you change to slide film the exposure latitude is much less - this is why a half-stop bracket is needed.


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Re: Hi everyone, exposure question for you new [Re: wilash]
      #16310 - 10/26/03 09:35 AM

Wilash, Thanks for the clarification. At first I didn't know what you meant, but now I understand. I assume you are saying that print film has a greater latitude and therfore I could be off the mark but still get a decent image. If I then used slide film, I wouldn't have the same margin for error, and using the same setting would probably result in either overexposure or underexposure. Therefore, I should take my first images with slide film to get a reference on exposure, than later after I have my reference values, switch to print.....Does this sound correct????

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Re: Hi everyone, exposure question for you new [Re: Don25]
      #16488 - 10/27/03 04:28 AM

Don25, that's it. But you do not need to start with slide film.

Your first question should be, how are you going to use this film. Are you going to use it is a slide show, print it at home. or scan it. If it is for a slide show, then slides are the way to go. Print film would be better for the other two (you can print and scan from slides as well but print film can hold more information, making slides from negatives is also possible,but you need a good professional photofinisher or have a way to use and color balance a stange breed of films called print film (nothing to do with your film)).

One of the problems of negative (print) film is how to determine if it was exposed correctly. This cannot be determined from the print unless you are doing the printing. You must judge the exposure from the negative. This can make it difficult to know if that exposure would be suitable for slide film. A half stop difference on negative film is not so large, but can be significant for slides. Also, by overexposing print film you can get extra information that can be drawn out of the negative when printing. When you shot negative film, printing (or scanning) is an intragral part of the process. You basically have to nail the slide exposure (and the slide has a very narrow brightness range it can record which makes lunar photography even more fun). One type of film can be a guide for the exposures for another, it will get you in the ballpark but it will not be perfect.

One advantage with many celestial targets is that there many "correct" exposures. A portrait is very limited, I can make the skin so dark or light before it starts to look wrong. We don't have an intuitive sense of how dark or light space objects are. Even with the moon, you can give a little more exposure to make it shine, or reduce the exposure to create rich dark textures.

Practice is the best teacher here. And when you shoot, try to take note on the conditions; sky conditions, transparency and seeing, how dark the sky is if you are shooting near dawn or dusk, as well as the position of the object above the horizon. These all affect exposure as well as contrast and resolution. Also experiment. If someone says something is not possible, they just mean they could not get a good result. You learn more from mistakes. And film is cheap!

PS If you do use flash, you must open the shutter four seconds after the flash goes off when photographing the moon. Not used with DSOs because of the length of time the light takes to travel to and return from the subject.


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Re: Hi everyone, exposure question for you new [Re: wilash]
      #17003 - 10/29/03 06:13 PM

Thanx again Wilash for the info...If only my eyepiece adapter would arrive....



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Re: Hi everyone, exposure question for you [Re: Don25]
      #17847 - 11/03/03 10:38 AM

Wouldn't incredibly steady seeing be required for a 16 second planetary exposure?

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