Wes James
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I know a few people have been waiting for some comments on these bino's that Big Binoculars just got in... Well, finally got a chance to at least confirm that they are really binoculars- and a pair that I will keep! Had a chance to get a quick glance through them this morning before leaving for work... got a nice view of Venus, and Orion... which was particularly what I was wanting to look at. I only got a few glances before clouds drifted over again, but was able to check the focus across the FOV to determine that it was satisfactory. There had been some discussion that they went soft at the top and edges at about 70%- and, to an extent they do, but not excessively so, in light of the fact the eye tends to focus on center. Actually, I found it most noticable at the top, but not to an extent it bothered me. As far as FOV, I was able to hold the 3 belt stars as well as Betelgeuse within the extreme edges of the FOV... which was something I was interested in seeing in referencing the FOV. I wish I could have had my 7x50 Zeiss Jeno's out, just to compare the two- but I didn't. Also had a good view of the Pleiades.
These are going to stay. They would not be the first pair of binoculars I would choose to buy- but as a 2nd- or 3rd set, maybe more like 4th - they're an interesting addition. What I was looking for was something with a wide FOV for just scanning the skies. I'm retiring next year and moving up to upstate NY, and feel they will be enjoyable to just sit in a recliner and scan the skies with... as a supplement to naked eye observing.
The mechanics are very nice. Part of my decision to keep 'em. They give the impression they are very solidly built mechanically... well machined. If you appreciate that aspect of bino's, you'll be very happy with that aspect. Objective eyecaps look like they're off cheap eyepieces, but they are quite snug- and protect the glass. I guess that's what counts. Would rather have that as opposed to nice, expensive looking caps that won't stay on. Hope they become a little easier to remove in time.
Why they ever chose that color leather to cover them in, I will never know... compliments the bag... will never know where they came up with that color either (brown/tan). Will perhaps compliment someone's ensemble, not mine.
I just hope none of my friends see me with 'em~
-------------------- Wes
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Some bino’s from Miyauchi 5x32 Binon's up through Garrett 20x110 Signature's,
Some telescopes from a Stellarvue 80mm NHNG up through a couple of 8” reflectors…
And a wonderful 4.25" Delmarva Shiefspiegler!
Some good friends, made here on C/N.
Oh- several cats and a wonderful wife!
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Edited by Wes James (09/24/07 12:12 PM)
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thanks Wes for the review-now I can stop holding my breath
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I have a red jacket and tan pants-maybe I could wear them to church instead of a tie.
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How effective would these be at looking at Dark Nebula compared to the standard 7x50s?
the FOV will be a positive, the light gathering of 32mm a negative
edj
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Wes James
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I have a red jacket and tan pants-maybe I could wear them to church instead of a tie.
...only if the jacket is a nice plaid!
Wes
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Wes James
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edj- I agree with your positive/negative evaluation... but I can't even begin to guess at this time with no chance to compare the Binon's with my 7x50's yet. Will try to compare the Orion Nebula between the two in the next morning or two and that should give an idea- if N.E. Florida weather will cooperate at least a bit. . I don't think they're going to be the bino of choice for viewing nebula's, however. Wes
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Wes James
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A daytime update: I just had these 5x32's outside at work with my Carl Zeiss Jena 7x50's. A couple of impressions. The Miyauchi's have a much greater FOV, no surprise there. Not double, I'd estimate about 80% more. So you're going to see a lot more of the sky (or whatever you're viewing). The Miyauchi's were noticibly brighter then the Zeiss. A lot of heat waves- looking out across the runway at some antenna towers, moving from side to side- up & down, yes- they go out of focus at the sides and top most- but I don't really notice it when just viewing, as my attention/focus is naturally looking at the center. Still liking the mechanics. Smooth focusing. Now... something I hadn't thought of- or looked for: Fun Factor! I like using them! They're fun! Just to pick up & grab a look at something- it'd be the Miyauchi's. Looking forward to getting it out under the skies at night more. Forgive me if this is not a factual review in degrees, minutes, seconds and feet. I'm not that knowledgeable. So this is a layman's review. I'll save the detailed specifications to those who know how to accurately measure & state them. Wes
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< I'll save the detailed specifications to those who know how to accurately measure & state them.>
Wes ,
Sometimes , it is the oblivion of such detailed specifications and measurements which allow the " fun factor " to reign supreme .
Long live " fun factor " !
Kenny
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Awright! I want a 3x21, and this is a step in the right direction. Ought to be great scanning the big Milky Way structures from a dark site. Ron
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Wes,
Gotta love your "fun factor" comment.
I recently retired and too have found that an extra wide FOV set of bins provides a degree of enjoyment (fun) that standard optics don't. Mine happen to be 40+ year old vintage Binolux 7x35s with an 11* / 578' FOV. They too have a degree of degradation at the edges but all things considered are remarkably well corrected.
Enjoy those Binons!
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Wes,
One problem I've always had with the Miyauchi line is that the (effectively) non-foldable eyecups make them impractical for eyeglass wearers. The Big Binoculars site shows 22mm eye relief for these. Do you have any sense of how they would work for those of us that need eyewear for astigmatism?
-------------------- Bill Tschumy
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Wes James
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I don't know! BUT... here's the deal- I DO wear eyeglasses.. but not to observe. HOWEVER, I certainly can give 'em a glance through WITH my glasses and tell you how they fare- tomorrow. Will let ya' know!! Wes
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Bill,
I can tell you that the 5x32W continues the Miyauchi (and clones like the RA88SA) trend of very stiff folding eyecups. I don't wear glasses, but I did try them with my sunglasses to see if the entire FOV is visible with glasses.
With the eyecups up a close fitting pair of glasses might have the full fov. With the eyecups folded down there should be no problem.
See the picture that Kevin provided below.
Peter
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For me, the "fun factor" is more important than the numbers. My 6.5x21 pentax papillos lead in the fun area. If I got the miyauchis, I might have too much fun
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I also bought a Binon 5x32W. I'm quite happy with them on first impression. Solid, beautifully made, FBBMC optics, and my favorite, funky maroon porro II prisms. What's not to love?
They're not perfect. To my eyes, (to be taken with a grain of salt), they are very, very slightly misaglined vertically and have a small horizontal misalignment. Neither affects daytime use. The big test will be on the night sky. If they do need collimating, the adjustment is made with prism tilt adjustments found on the front of the prism housing under 4 small caps, 2 on each side.
On the cosmetic front, the black finish is rather delicate. I'll either be touching it up often or protecting high wear surfaces with some sort of transparent or black material. I might use something as simple as electrical tape. More likely I'll just let it be since I don't buy equipment for it's resale value.
The focuser is at the front of the hinge and is a little stiff with one finger focusing and very smooth if used with two fingers. There's no "hydraulic defocussing" unlike the Barska 15x70.
There's no obvious way to mount these to standard binocular adapters. But at 5x is it really necessary? There are some velcro mounts that wrap around the binoculars which would work if you had to mount them. I have no difficulty holding them steady at all.
The eyepieces deserve mention. They're big, have a resonable 66° afov and decent eye relief. Miyauchi uses stiff, foldable eye cups. With a reported 22mm eye relief, These should be usable for people wih and without glasses. For me, without glasses, they're perfect.
As one would expect, the optics don't produce a flat field. There's mild pin cushion and moderate field curvature (I think). If the central area is well focused I notice blurring about 0.7 the way to the upper and outer edge. The image stays sharp much closer to the edge towards the inner and lower edge, guesstimate of about 0.85. I think this is done deliberately to keep terrestrial targets in the sweetspot and to allow some convergence of the eyes without needing to refoucus, but that's just speculation on my part.
I'm not seeing double when I use these for astronomy. Which is another way of saying, I like them just the way they are.
I was able to easily fit the four stars of the big dipper's bowl inside the tfov. That's a minimun of 11° so the tfov is around 12°. The keystone asterism of Hercules also fits nicely in the fov. Lyra also fits within the fov, big surprise, not.
The stars are well focused. What would one expect at 5x? Does it pull in faint DSO's? No, but the bright ones are visible. Big open clusters like the Pleaides, the Hyades and the central area of Perseus are great with these binos. The Milky Way, the Andromeda galaxy and The Orion nebula are all easy to see even in my light polluted location.
No trouble seeing Jupiter as a planet and the moons were easy to see. The Moon was sharp, but at 5x the scale was a bit too small. At least 20 Moons could fit in the fov, but whose counting? This is a job for the series 8 15x70! Sunglasses optional.
I'm planning to compare them to some of my other WA binos in the future.
Peter
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Edited by pcad (09/24/07 10:46 PM)
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Guys- Miyauchi eyecups may be stiff, but they do fold (all of them). See attached pic. Before we ship, these little 5x32's are as well-collimated (at all IPD's) as the extreme-magnification binoculars we routinely ship. But if one needs a slight tweek, it's user-adjustable. Just like all other <100mm Miyauchi models, there are prism tilt screws located under 4 caps (they look like rivets, but they pry off easily). PM me for more details. Kevin Busarow
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I have a red jacket and tan pants-maybe I could wear them to church instead of a tie.
...only if the jacket is a nice plaid!  Wes
Anyone know where I can get a nice plaid coat?
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If I got the miyauchis, I might have too much fun
I just could not restraine myself-with credit card in hand, and Kevin's online ordering service, I just got the last one.
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If I got the miyauchis, I might have too much fun
I just could not restraine myself-with credit card in hand, and Kevin's online ordering service, I just got the last one.
edj
Hi, Edj.
I got mine today. I noticed quite bit of field curvature. If center is in focus, I'd say roughly 70% beyond isn't much useful. If you re-focus for edge, I am surprised that it is sharper than I expected. Of course, center is off focus... My expectation may be lower than others 
If it is clear night, I'll compare it with big brother 7x50w.
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Hi Kevin,
Thanks for the info. I've updated my posts to reflect the corrections.
Peter
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Edited by pcad (09/24/07 10:38 PM)
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Tammy,
Looking forward to the comparison of the two Binons.
Peter
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Tammy,
Looking forward to the comparison of the two Binons.
Peter
I went out for quick check. In a nutshell, 7x50w is clear winner looking at the moon/M31. 5x32w shows more internal reflection than 7x50w if I place the moon on center. If I move a little off center, the reflection decreases noticeably. I think center sharpness is very good.
It shares the same weakness as 7x50w, picking up stray lights. It needs better hood.
Since the moon is very high on south, I can't see Milky Way very well. So I can not comment on sweeping MW yet.
I would think it will do good job as big brother. If I get up early enough tomorrow morning, I'll try Orion.
I might be sounded a little bit negative but overall, I like the new addition so far. All I need is to go to dark site on moonless night...
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How effective would these be at looking at Dark Nebula compared to the standard 7x50s?
the FOV will be a positive, the light gathering of 32mm a negative edj
Took a look at M-42 this morning (Orion nebula) with both the Zeiss 7x50's and the 5x32's... the 7x50 wins out, no contest. If you're looking for detail, you need the aperture... it's becoming more & more evident that the 5x32's are specialized sky sweepers... and that's it, as far as astro use. They're strictly for the sake of a wide FOV. The focus issues at the edge- I agree there is an issue with that, but it's not so bothersome as to make me not want to use them. I still like 'em. I'm really anxious to try them under a dark sky. Forgot to check with my glasses on- sorry- will try to remember/report the results. Wes
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Here's a detail I've just noticed on the 5x32W. There are two clear O-rings on the machined focuser knob. They're set in two channels that encircle the knob. Whether they're there for a little extra friction or comfort or both, it's a nice touch. Since they're clear I felt them before I saw them.
Peter
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Reality Check:
Kevin has sold 8 of these in 1+ week, mostly do to us at CNs and the multiple posts. This is a weird response to a weird little pair of binoculars. Do we 8 know something that the others do not, or are we just victims of our own hysteria
Mine should arrive Thursday.
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Wes James
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Edj- I don't think it's that we know something the others don't- I think it's just that we represent the fanatical, maniacial hardcore epicenter of the astronomy binocular nuts!
(Note that I did seperate us from the birdwatchers~ who have their own hardcore group of fanatics, I'm certain)
And then, some people have already built their binocular collection- and others (I fall into this group) are in the process of building our collection.
Wes
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I've actually thought you guys must be a bit crazy going DOWN in magnification for astro binoculars regardless of the 5mm exit pupil. The idea of wide field is fine but 5x on the sky?? I don't even care for how little an 8x40 shows me! Maybe my relatively dark skies have spoiled me. Cool little bins though.........THAT I can see!
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Wes James
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One problem I've always had with the Miyauchi line is that the (effectively) non-foldable eyecups make them impractical for eyeglass wearers. The Big Binoculars site shows 22mm eye relief for these. Do you have any sense of how they would work for those of us that need eyewear for astigmatism?
Bill-
Finally checked them this morning with my glasses on- and with the eyecups up, I could not pick up the full FOV. Maybe only 60-70% at most. Sure glad I don't view with glasses! I did not try to roll the eyecups down, which had been previously noted as possible.
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I've actually thought you guys must be a bit crazy going DOWN in magnification for astro binoculars regardless of the 5mm exit pupil. The idea of wide field is fine but 5x on the sky?? I don't even care for how little an 8x40 shows me! Maybe my relatively dark skies have spoiled me. Cool little bins though.........THAT I can see!
Rich V
Maybe dark skies will change my mind, too! Had to have at least one pair of widefield binoculars, though-
Wes
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Edj- I don't think it's that we know something the others don't- I think it's just that we represent the fanatical, maniacial hardcore epicenter of the astronomy binocular nuts! (Note that I did seperate us from the birdwatchers~ who have their own hardcore group of fanatics, I'm certain)
Wes
That sounds just like me, and I am starting to watch birds also (if you have the binoculars, why not).
edj
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Re: Miyauchi 5x32 First Impressions/First Light
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