Markus
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I'm pondering the thought of getting a mount for my 25x100 Burgess Binoculars because they are way too heavy to hand hold. I have the choice between two types of mounts. One, is a wood coloured P-type mount and the other a black mount.
Pic #1 (The Wooden Parallelogram-type mount) or
Pic #2 (The black mount, I dunno what type of mount this is called)
You guys probably have more experience then I do for binocular mounts, so I thought I would ask you guys first.
Cheers.
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everyone will recognize #2 as mine, being it's so...different and they'll recall my post asking about it 
while I see pro's/con's of both, I won't comment, so I remain a neutral party, being I don't want anything I say to be construed as a 'mine is better then his' statement. 
edit - everyone should know that the reason I'm not using it is due to how much the built-in counter-weight overwhelm's my 20x80's. I've surmised then that because the only giant bino's Antares ever had (as far as I'm aware) were 22x100's, it was made with a more specific target. something 10lbs rather then not quite 8lbs...
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Markus
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Wow. Almost 60 people viewed this and nobody knows? Hmmmm.  I guess it's all up to me to decide.
I have come to the final conclusion that mount #1 will be the one I purchase because mount #2 only moves in an "arc" for the up-down motion whereas mount #1 has a "floating" type up and down motion. Mount #1 just seems to have more to it.
Mount #2 is good though, don't get me wrong. It is much more compact and can be stored much better then the first mount.
Any more suggestions will be appreciated, but i am going for the first binocular mount.
Thanks for looking and Clear Skies!!!
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Is mount #1 the actual mount, or does it represent the "type" of mount you are considering? (parallelogram type or this specific parallelogram)
I don't know anything about mount #2, although it looks like there is a knob or some way to attach additional counterweights at the end of the arm opposite the binocular.
Both look like they have the same degrees of motion. The critical 4th and 5th degrees of motion do not appear to be present in either mount. While not an absolute necessity, the extra degrees of motion can be useful while viewing from a reclined or fixed position.
Either one would be a step up from the standard photo-camera style tripod.
Regards and clear skies,
MikeG
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Ok, I will go out on a limb and upset folks. The answer IMHO is Neither as shown, unless you like waltzing with the tripod. Fundamentals of each are sound, but you need IMHO is the arms need to be much longer, to get you away from the pod.
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Markus
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Mike, mount #1 is an actual "mount" and it is the one I will be getting. I'm eventually going to get a P-Mount from HERE. Until then, I can suffice with the first wooden mount. What I really want is a P-mount that I can use in a recliner so that I can sit or lay down while observing.
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mark22c
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this is one of my earlier mounts and works well from a seated position, works best when used with a wheely chair.
could have made it with a longer truss for more clearance of the tripod though
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Edited by mark22c (10/07/07 12:45 PM)
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Markus
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Actually, mount #1 has a third motion that the second pic doesn't have which is the up & down motion of the parallelogram arms, so there is an advantage there. You can also pivot the binocs in pic#1 without having to move anything either then that flat piece that the binos sit on, whereas, in pic #2 you have to move the protruding piece that the binocs are mounted on.
Either way, they would both serve well until I splurge on this mount HERE. 
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Markus
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Only 4 replies? wow, what an enthusiastic crowd we have here.
Must be all of that Turkey and stuffing.  
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mark22c
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i dont know if i said it in another thread that you've seen but i'll say it here... mounting strait through big bins is a bummer unless you got the cash to splash or the will to build, there so heavy, im not to happy with my fugile atempts at a p mount, it does work but was a rather hasty build and is a pain to take down and move. i much prefered the first one i posted above
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EdZ
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Both look home-made.
Mount one has 3 motions. But looks grossly cumbersome.
Mount 2 looks poorly engineered and looks like it has only 2 motions. By Cams statement it seems it has no way to adjust counterweight. Someone with a lack of foresight developed that mount.
I wouldn't buy either mount.
Even the T mount that you linked to will not suffice for reclined viewing. If you get a T mount with UA deluxe head with articulated elbow, then it would work for reclined viewing. Of course there will be people pipe in that state 'my mount is just like that and I use it for reclined viewing'. If you want to take that advice, go ahead. My advice, read the full lenght article in CN Reviews for more information on parallelogram mounts and what it takes to make a mount suited for reclined viewing.
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Markus
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Thanks for the advice EdZ. If I don't buy either one right now, I have NO WAY to view with my 25x100 binocs at all because they are so heavy. If I did buy a parallelogram mount right now, I will have to shell out at least $300-$400, and I can't afford that kind of cash right now. I might as well have SOMETHING to view with and the owner of mount #1 is willing to send me the mount first to try it out before I buy.
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EdZ
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Well, FWIW, I don't put my 25x100s on a parallelogram mount. I own 4 different styles of Pgrams.
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mark22c
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hi markus
the only thing i can sugest that may at least get you veiwing is a stick used as a monopodwith a small v on top to rest the adapter bar on, a mop would do the job, to get higher elevation you'de have to have an assortment of objects to rest the stick on.
i have to admit the size of these bins took me by suprise when they arrived
anyway just trying to help you out bud and hope this helps as a tempory measure
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Markus
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Quote:
My advice, read the full lenght article in CN Reviews for more information on parallelogram mounts and what it takes to make a mount suited for reclined viewing.
I just tried looking for this artice and can't find it. OK I just found the article about P-mounts. It was in the CN Reports section and not the reviews section.
Cheers.
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EdZ
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Have you tried visiting the "Best Of" binoculars pinned at the top of this forum. In there you will find links to several Mounts articles and threads.
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mark22c
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going back to the stick monopod i've just been out and tried it, found for my hieght(6 foot) about 6.5 feet will do. i carved a point on the bottom as to dig into the lawn and not slide when moving back away from the stick to get lower elevation
i used my 25x100's and it allthough not perfect will sufice and is comfortable, you can get quite high up before it gets awkward
of corse if this isnt technical enough you could allways fit it with a pipe holder or maybe a drinks caddy possibly a window cleaning attatchment, flashing led's, a flag?
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Edited by mark22c (10/08/07 10:48 AM)
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Markus
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Thanks EdZ, I found the "Best of" Binos articles and there is a wealth of reading there.  Maybe a good Bogen/manfrotto 475 tripod with 501 Fluid head will be the ticket eventually. Mark, as for trying the monopod idea, with my luck, I would drop the bins rendering them useless, and the 25x100's I just got are collimated right on the mark as far as I can see.
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