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SometimesKen
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Howdy AstroFanz, As a good winter project, I've been thinking of using a solar panel to keep the battery(s) in my observatory charged up, but I don't know squat about solar chargers.
I would like to hook up 2 deep cycle marine batteries to provide enough juice to power up a 12VDC mount and laptop via an inverter.
What do I need besides a solar panel and batteries?
For 12VDC would the batteries be hooked up in series or parallel?
Is a regulator or something like that needed?
How about the solar panel ratings? What would be a good amp hour rate?
Anyone know of a web site that explains how to use solar energy? Any help you can provide would be appreciated.
Thanks, Ken
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Bad Moon Observatory - February 1, 2007
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In my first observatory I mounted several batteries in parallel. No regulator was needed if everything ran on anominal 12 volts. But 7.2 volts or 9.6 volts items of course had to be regulated. Mike
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NeoDinian
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Hey Marcus!!! 
Marcus (JAT Observatory) has his set up with solar. I'm sure he can help...
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"I would like to hook up 2 deep cycle marine batteries to provide enough juice to power up a 12VDC mount and laptop via an inverter".
Don’t use an inverter unless you absolutely how to. An invertor will just waste power (your are converting from 12vdc to 115 AC then back to some DC voltage via the laptop’s AC to DC adapter. If you can power the laptop directly from 12vdc do so. If the laptop need some other voltage like 19 vdc, buy a DC transformer to power the laptop. That way you don’t waste power converting back and forth between AC to DC. Now that said if you can’t find a transformer then buy a small inverter (400 watts or so) that is sized right for your laptop. It won’t suck up as much power as a large inverter because it uses less power for overhead.
"What do I need besides a solar panel and batteries?"
You will need a solar charge regulator (see below).
"For 12VDC would the batteries be hooked up in series or parallel?"
If you need voltage hook them up in series. Example two 6 volt batteries in series will give you 12 volts.
If you are after capacity connect them in parallel. Example two 12 volt 100 amp hour batteries connected in parallel with give you a 12 volt 200 amp hour battery pack.
"Is a regulator or something like that needed?"
Yes you are going to need a solar regulator. You have to have a way to control the charge rate at which the batteries are charged. The way they are charged is the difference between not only preventing damage but safety. The last thing you want is a damaged battery in a dual battery setup. It can be dangerous.
"How about the solar panel ratings? What would be a good amp hour rate?
Ideally you would like to be able to recharge your batteries during the next daylight cycle, even if that daylight cycle doesn’t have full sun (i.e. cloudy). In order to do that you will need to figure how much of power (in amp hours) you will need to run your equipment. Don’t forget things like dew heaters and other accessories. Add all those amp hrs so you’ll have a full night of observing.
Let just say for example your system needs 10 amps per hour. Now let’s say that the longest you would ever observe is 8 hrs in one night. You would need 80 amp hrs of battery capacity in order to last all night. But that is with a battery at beginning of life and under perfect conditions. But the older a battery gets the less efficient it becomes. It is also affected by cold temps so let’s add 20% so you’ll know you’re good. That brings your amp hrs needed to an even 100.
OK here is another monkey wrench. You shouldn’t subject the batteries to more than a 80% Depth of Discharge (DoD). Some people use a 50% rule for DoD (I do). So if you used the 50% rule you would need 200 amp hrs of battery capacity.
So now remember you will need a panel that will recharge your system in one daylight cycle. In the above case that means if you have 12 hours of sunlight and you discharged 50% of your battery pack’s capacity your panel will need to produce and average of 8.3 amps per hour to fully recharge your system. If you have shorter daylight cycles that number will go up, and down for longer cycles (Summer vs winter).
Now of course if you discharge less than 50% you won’t need as long of a recharge cycle, or as much power. The charge regulator will control the amount of power it sends to the battery depending on the charge status of the battery. It does that by means of sensing wires connected to the battery that it uses to measure the battery’s float voltage and voltage under a controlled load.
Now there are some other things to consider. It is better to have a single battery instead of 2 connected in parallel. The rub here is a 2 battery setup is cheaper in most cases than a single large capacity battery. So most people will opt for the 2 battery setup, but you need to take some precautions here. Make sure the batteries are of the some type (i.e. deep cycle), and of the some age. While they don’t have to be both 100 amp hr batteries, you could use an 80 & and 120 (I prefer equal sized batts) just don’t mix and old and a new old or a AGM and a flooded. This could result in one battery not get fully charged and the other battery being over charged. Over charged batteries lead to early failures, and a failure of single battery in a dual battery system can lead to a series situation (explosion and or fire). Also be sure you kept your batteries in a battery box that is properly vented.
While you can use flooded deep cycle batteries, AGM or GEL batteries, typically provide better performance than a flooded deep cycle battery. The down side is they are more expensive than flooded batteries. Also AGM, Gel and flooded batteries each require different charging methods. So make sure you solar charge regulator has the correct charge method for your batteries (they make ones with a selectable charge so you can set it for your type of batteries). The other thing is Solar charge regulators are capacity rated. So you need match your regulator to your solar panel (don’t use a 5 amp regulator on a panel that will produce 10 amps in full sun. Buy a bigger regulator than the output of the solar panel.
In any case no matter what type of batteries you use sizing them correctly and charging them correctly will allow you to get many years of use from them.
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jeg
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Hi Ken,
I've been designing and installing a similar system for my new POD. I'm no expert, but just did a lot of the research you are starting.
I found this article and others by the same author to be helpful:
http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/yago72.html
Mike has already answered that you need the batteries to be in parallel (assuming that they are 12V batteries). If each were 50 AH batteries, then you'll wind up with a 12V, 100 AH battery array. In series it would be a 24V, 50 AH battery array.
Solar panels are rated in Watts, not AHs. They'll generally generate between around 15 and 18 V. You need about 14.5 V to charge a 12 V battery. The real important spec for a solar panel is the Amps it generates. A panel rated at 30W and 18V would output 1.66 Amps when being illuminated. That's the rate at which you'll be recharging your batteries. So in one hour you'll replace 1.66 AH.
In order to find the right size panel(s) you should plan on about 6 hrs of sunlight per day. The solar panel should be sized based on what your normal load would be, how long your normal observing session is and how frequently you observe.
If your equipment will draw 5 Amps at 12 V on average and each observing session is 4 hours long, then you need to be able to recharge 20 AH between observing sessions. The 30W panel in the example above would require 2 average days to recharge after a normal observing session. (1.667 * 6 * 2)
Of course a larger battery allows for variations in your observing schedule, but you'll eventually need to have a large enough panel so you don't ever completely drain your battery. For example, if you only observe on weekends, as long as your battery was at least 30 AH, you'd be able to observe on two consecutive days and completely recharge before the next weekend.
You'll also need a charge controller and if you'll have more than one circuit, I'd recommend a fuse panel. I found a nice 6 circuit, 12 V fuse panel at a Marine supply store. The attached file shows a schematic of the system I am putting together. It's all done except for the solar panel.
If you haven't purchased your battery(ies) yet, you'll also need to decide what type - wet, gel or AGM. Each have slightly different properties. AGM (absorbed glass mat) are probably the best, but also the most expensive. Since my observatory isn't moving, I decided to get a wet, lead-acid, deep cycle marine battery. I also decided to keep the battery outside the observatory because not matter what kind you get, it will vent some gasses. The gel and AGM vent very little, but I felt it was better for my health and my optics not to have those vent gasses in a small closed space.
Hope this is helpful.
John
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bluestar
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Excellent links and info gang. I raised this ? a while back and thanks Marcus for the info then,,,and NOW again. It sure looks more complicated than I imagined and wondered if it would be worth the trouble and expense for the little bit of power I use in the observatory (at the moment). I currently (no pun intended) have my star-shack hooked to house power via a large heavy duty extension cord burried underground. I'd considered adding hardwiring it to the house on the pro-electrician Work List, but self-sufficient is nice on principle and since I follow solar observing and its kinda a no-brainer but...its still just a thought in the back of my head.
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Spaz
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Hi,
Just thought I'd throw my own experiences into the pot. My observatory is located at 6,300' on a remote mountaintop in New Zealand. It'd cost up to NZ$500,000 to install AC mains (a half million bucks I'll never have!), so like you I'm on a solar setup, but also have a small 400 Watt Air-X wind turbine, with a backup gasoline-powered generator.
My setup so far consists of five 80 Watt Sharp solar panels connected to a 1,320 Ah battery bank (two 660 Ah Hoppecke banks in parallel) via an 80 Amp solar regulator.
You'll need enough solar capacity to keep whatever bank you install fully charged. Budget for at least US$10 per watt for solar panels. No, it ain't cheap, but I've yet to find a hobby that is!
The wind turbine operates via a seperate regulator. My site is very exposed and the turbine does room- and water-heating duty most of the time.
The system supplies 12 Volt DC and almost everything in my observatory runs directly from that.
I do have an 1,800 Watt pure sinewave inverter for those PITA loads which will only run on 220 Volts, but the person suggesting you avoid inverters where possible is pretty much right on. You don't have to be an electronics guru to come up with methods to run most devices direct from the 12 Volt supply.
There are no trees on my site and it's over 200 acres in area...nothing but shattered rock, snow tussock and snow. I'm right at the top and the nearest other high points are a long way from me, so shading of the PV panels is never an issue. The worst is snow cover, but that's easily removed, if you don't mind getting out in the cold! (-15° F is not unknown in winter.)
If you want a useful system, make sure you oversize just about everything. That means sit down and calculate your loads and the system size you'll need, then at least double the estimate. Most people, no matter how honest, always underestimate their needs, then blame their system when it can't meet demand.
Things like cabling often catch a lot of people out: use the heaviest you can get your hands on to meet your loads. I've seen places burn because the owners thought they could get away with using speaker wire, when their loads were in the tens-of-amps range or higher. Here's a useful link:
DC Wire Table
After all that, don't be deterred, it's not as hard as it sounds. Just be realistic and you'll do fine. And it's also a lot of fun: that first time you throw the switch and watch everything start working is pretty magical!
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Luigi
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Don't forget fuses. Fuses should be rated to protect the the lightest gauge wire connected. That is, should a short happen at the end of a power run, the fuse should blow before the wire catches fire. Check out http://www.powerwerx.com/ for appropriate 12V wire, fuses, connectors, etc..
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SometimesKen
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Howdy folks, Thank you for the responses and all the great information.
Now you guys have me thinking .... instead of only powering up a mount & laptop, maybe I'll use a solar system for all my electrical needs in the observatory. It could happen !!
At a garage sale this weekend, I picked up a brand new deep cycle marine battery just like the one I already have for $20. I put a meter on it and it's still holding 12.1 volts. Good score huh?
I'm on my way .....
Thanks again, Ken
-------------------- As the setting sun / melts below the horizon / the stars applaud her bow. ~W. Terrance~
Bad Moon Observatory - February 1, 2007
39° 54' N - 74° 09' W
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bluestar
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Next spring I'm purchasing 4 new deep cycle marine batteries for my jon boat...who knows where this madness may lead?
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Spaz
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Some good basic battery info: Solar power battery information
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SometimesKen
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Quote:
...who knows where this madness may lead?
Amen to that! I finished my domed observatory less then a year ago and I'm already considering making it a roll off dome to have the best of both worlds. A slotted dome is great, but I miss the wide open skies and have been traveling to my favorite dark spot for a "sky fix"!
BTW - I'm really liking the Blue Star Observatory!
Good Luck Ken
-------------------- As the setting sun / melts below the horizon / the stars applaud her bow. ~W. Terrance~
Bad Moon Observatory - February 1, 2007
39° 54' N - 74° 09' W
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SometimesKen
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Quote:
Some good basic battery info: Solar power battery information
Spaz - thank you for the great information you provided. I've been printing out a lot of info and figuring out my "next steps". I suppose I should determine how much power I'm currently using and how much more I'll need. I just started researching DC lighting options and system components, so this may take a while to complete but hopefully be done by the spring.
Thanks again, Ken
-------------------- As the setting sun / melts below the horizon / the stars applaud her bow. ~W. Terrance~
Bad Moon Observatory - February 1, 2007
39° 54' N - 74° 09' W
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Hi Ken, I don't have time to read through all the posts here so you probably have all the info you need.
All I want to add is that we got a glass panel solar charger for our sailboat. We don't use the battery much but it will keep the battery charged up all summer unless we really run it down with a night sail.
The amount of energy created depends on the 'amount' of sun of course. Keep in mind that during winter days are shorter and the sun is further than in the summer, (like you wouldn't know that, right?). I think the panel we had would put out something like an 1.5 amp/hr a day. Or 4.5 amps? Don't remember, but it does work.
Good luck with the project.
I just had a moment more to skim the post and Marcus, as usual, covered everything completely that you would want to know so ignore my post
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SometimesKen
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Quote:
Hi Ken, I don't have time to read through all the posts here so you probably have all the info you need.
All I want to add is that we got a glass panel solar charger for our sailboat. We don't use the battery much but it will keep the battery charged up all summer unless we really run it down with a night sail.
The amount of energy created depends on the 'amount' of sun of course. Keep in mind that during winter days are shorter and the sun is further than in the summer, (like you wouldn't know that, right?). I think the panel we had would put out something like an 1.5 amp/hr a day. Or 4.5 amps? Don't remember, but it does work.
Good luck with the project.
I just had a moment more to skim the post and Marcus, as usual, covered everything completely that you would want to know so ignore my post
Ignore your post ? ... never ... it's always a pleasure to read what you have to say Jim!! Thanks for your input.
Before I posted this I thought of going to Marcus directly, but I didn't want to be a pain, so I figured I'd post the question so more than one can learn from it.
It will be a learning experience and the ultimate Boss has already given the approval to spend, so I'll pick away at it over the winter.
Thanks again everyone Ken
-------------------- As the setting sun / melts below the horizon / the stars applaud her bow. ~W. Terrance~
Bad Moon Observatory - February 1, 2007
39° 54' N - 74° 09' W
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Hi Ken: I see you have generated a fair bit of response to your question. Please forgive me for adding yet more to the chat, but I have been living on solar power for over 10 years now - we live on a remote island without the usual grid power. One thing that we occasionally enjoy in our perverse way is watching the TV news proclaiming about how many thousands of people are without power after each storm hits us. It's a real treat to know that you are not going to be without power no matter how hard the wind blows. Anyway, if I may add a few general hints so that if you decide to go ahead you may be able to avoid some of the early pitfalls which commonly happen. When we first put our system in, we decided to do it right from the word go. Now, you have been given advice about not using an inverter more than once, and this may or may not be right. It really all depends on what power you will be using, i.e. 12 volts or 117 a.c. If you are going to be using anything which requires the 117 a.c. then I would suggest that you get an inverter. It is true that the inverter will consume more power than the relative amount used by a d.c. powered item, however the accepted efficiency rate for the whole system is usually about 85%. In reality, this is very acceptable. So, before you decide that you do not need an inverter, consider what you will be using. One thing I will say about inverter power, is that it is considerably cleaner and more consistent than grid power. Voltage fluctuations on the grid can sometimes be really wild. You will not find that with an inverter. With respect to your battery bank, solar panels, disconnect, charge controller and wiring, everything needs to be oversized. It is true that you can work out each detail with mathmatical precision, however, in the real world, it doesn't work that way. Let me give you one simple example. Suppose you have a nominal 12 volt panel which is rated at 4 amps. In theory, that would be a 48 watt panel. In fact, that will not be the case. Typically, most panels put out around 16 volts, with an open circuit voltage of around 21 volts. Yes, that is twenty-one, not twelve. As soon as the panel is attached to something to provide actual power, the voltage drops dramatically, so you will never see 21 volts going into anything. And neither will you likely see 16 volts going into anything. Do not worry about the ingoing voltage, as the charge controller will do an excellent job of taking care of that end of things. From the panel, the power goes through your controller either directly to your battery bank, notice I said battery bank and not battery, or through your inverter then to the bank. It depends on the type of system you have. I would suggest that, since you have direct access to a 117 a.c. line, that you initially start by using your system to power your 12 volt d.c. items. An inverter can always be added later. Perhaps one of the most important items in the system will be a d.c. disconnect. This is just like the main breaker on your panel for your house wiring. However, there is a difference between an a.c. breaker and a d.c. breaker. Under no circumstances should you try using an a.c. breaker in place of the d.c. breaker. You will find out, if you have not already, that d.c. breakers are expensive. For example, I have a 250 amp d.c. main breaker, on a 24 volt system which cost $400 over 10 years ago. Do not skimp on the main breaker. Just like the mount on the scope, an e.q. 3 will hardly hold a 14" scope. Same thing with the power system. The wiring for d.c. is vastly bigger - read thicker, than anything used for a.c. Be aware that d.c. power does not travel well for any distance. Unless your d.c. voltage is around 32 volts or higher, which yours will not be. So before you undertake anything, plan your layout so that the wiring runs between the panel[s] and the batteries/controller/d.c. disconnect are as short and direct as possible. This is very important. If your battery bank is going to be inside the observatory, then put them in a battery box which is vented to the outside. Most people simply build something which looks like a built-in bench seat with a long lid so you can access the batteries on a regular basis for watering. Without going into a long discussion on the pros and cons of the various battery types, I will just say that probably 99% of all successful solar systems are using flooded lead acid batteries. The standard, if you will, is the Trojan T-105. It is a 6 volt battery which will take an amazing amount of abuse. I would suggest that you should get 4 batteries, hooked up, obviously in series/parallel. So two pairs each hooked up in series, then they are in turn hooked up in parallel. You will have your nominal 12 volt power, but with somewhat more reserve, and this you will find you will need. Do not try to mix up different types of batteries, which has already been mentioned, nor batteries of a different age. Unfortunately, with lead acid batteries, you cannot start with a pair and then add another pair next year. You are far better off to have the battery bank considerably oversized than just barely adequate. As far as the controller is concerned, your system should be OK with something on the order of a 20 amp controller. But because the price of a larger 40 amp controller is not really that much different, you may be better off going to that size. It would not really be necessary, but in future, if and when you added more solar panels, your controller would be up to the job. I have always thought that with things electrical, it is much better to have them oversized and underworked than the opposite. A bigger controller will have the ability to decrease the amount of charge going in to the batteries as they reach full. Someone has already referred you to the homepower website earlier, and I can say that whatever you need to find out about solar power, you can find there. So to briefly - if that is possible for me - sum up, Panels, you can start small and add. Batteries - get plenty. Controller, get big enough, same goes for the wiring and disconnect. Inverter, forget the small 400 watt toys and buy a real one, 1,000 watts plus. It will have a battery charger, very useful for keeping your battery bank up when we have those infernal cloudy days! I've likely forgotten a bunch of things, but if you have a question, just say so. And good luck! Keith
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SometimesKen
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Hi Keith, Wow, 10 years in a 100% solar home?!! Now that's saying something!!
Thank you for your in depth reply, everyone has been very helpful with answers to my questions.
What are the pitfalls to a complete system like this ...solar charger kit
It can't be that easy ... to buy a $140. kit? Or is a kit like that something to stay away from?
My thoughts are to attach a small battery box outside on the west wall, with the solar panel a few feet away. I have 2 - 12VDC deep cycle marine batteries to start off with and will add more as needed. Just about all the scope/mount needs are 12V, so that's a no brainer, and I would like to power up a laptop and lighting eventually. (red rope lights & a white light or 2)
That's it, if I can get that much from solar energy I'll be a happy camper!!
Thanks to everyone! Ken
-------------------- As the setting sun / melts below the horizon / the stars applaud her bow. ~W. Terrance~
Bad Moon Observatory - February 1, 2007
39° 54' N - 74° 09' W
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Spaz
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It's all about math. A 15W panel will keep batteries trickle charged so long as the batteries aren't used very much. If you plan to suck a lot out of them regularly then a 15W panel won't be adequate.
Marine batteries are not truly "deep cycle", even though they've been calling them that for a long time. They are little more than glorified truck batteries.
My advice is to bite the bullet and get yourself a decent genuine deep cycle set of cells (usually 2V or 6V, such as the trojan golfcart series), otherwise you'll be chomping through your marine ones in no time, unless your loads are tiny and you'll be amazed how quickly the load total builds up.
Size your entire system properly before you buy anything, rather than a piecemeal approach. Calculate your total projected load then at least double the resulting number. Size your battery bank so that you're taking off no more than the top 20% of its capacity (for instance, 20 Ahs out of a 100 Ah bank) and size your solar panel so that it can keep the cells charged up even on dismal days after a long night of observing (heh...cloudy days after clear nights...riiiight... )
Yep, it's going to cost ya, but then how much did you spend on Naglers this year?
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Bleh, i'd say forget the batteries all together, go with your solar panels and inverter, and have it hooked up to the grid. I think the most expensive (and dangerous and heavy, etc) things in a solar power system are the batteries. Take all that extra money you save on batteries, buy more solar panels and an nice big inverter, and during the day while your at work your meter will be spinning backwards, then at night in your obs, you'll use less power then what your meter spun backwards. The upside is that you won't have any wasted solar cells (like in the summer when your batteries are fully charged and your regulator says "Nah its ok solar panels, i don't need any more power!!") at least you'll still be getting a benefit from them. =)
(obviously this strategy doesn't apply to people who live on mountains in New Zealand) lol
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