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Jeff Young
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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: Jure]
      #1939706 - 10/26/07 07:35 PM

Got another look, this time with some field stars. The bright, circular halo has a diameter slightly less than half the distance between HIP17827 and HIP 17772, which are about 8.5' apart. I'd therefore put the halo at around 3.8'.

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: Jeff Young]
      #1939744 - 10/26/07 07:54 PM Attachment (70 downloads)

Well, I still couldn't get a good view, only through high clouds, and this time the clouds were quite thick, and the moon was quite close (34° away), but the comet still put on a great display! Unbelievable! I took 38 frames 5 seconds each with a 6" f/5 reflector and Canon 350D, at ISO200. Separate frames didn't show any color, but the stack revealed it:

(BTW, pics taken around 21:30UT, Oct 26)

Edited by polaris (10/26/07 07:57 PM)


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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: polaris]
      #1939793 - 10/26/07 08:41 PM

Polaris, great pic, thanks.

I just came in from a quick look at the comet thru a gap in the clouds. Now its raining again. That large circular halo is very interesting.

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: djeber2]
      #1939856 - 10/26/07 09:12 PM

I see it, I see it! We've had some light clouds come in here and there, but the wait is over! I don't have any past comets to compare it to in unusualness, but it is very cool 8) The pics and sketches here have been just like it appears in the scope.

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: chanda7]
      #1939942 - 10/26/07 10:10 PM

Rain, rain, go away...

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: chanda7]
      #1939950 - 10/26/07 10:14 PM

UNBELIEVABLE!!!. Got it right after sunset. Never seen anything quite like this,the color,the size and the detailed structure. What a treat!.

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: Refractor6]
      #1939983 - 10/26/07 10:38 PM

Hi

Last picture here at 2007/10/26 - 2300UT
Taken Celestron SC8 f/10 and spc900 webcam, about 700 frames .



David Cardeņosa

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: Refractor6]
      #1939986 - 10/26/07 10:41 PM

I tried to get a picture while I was out. This one is with a XT8 (32mm Orion Highlights plossl) and a Coolpix 4500 on a tripod.



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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: chanda7]
      #1940009 - 10/26/07 10:59 PM

I just came in from another look with the classic Asahi-Pentax 50/600 at mags from 15x to 66x.

The yellow color is gone, to my eyes. It is now a creamy/ivory color. Not quite white, but definitely not yellowish.

Also, the nucleus seems to have faded a bit. It is not as bright in comparison to the coma as it was last night. The nucleus is still quite bright overall and easily seen, but it does not jump out from the surrounding halo/coma as blatantly as before. Also, the nucleus seems ever so slightly off-center - towards the 10-oclock position in a reversed view or 4-oclock in a correct view. Still no sign of a tail. It still resembles a defocused planet or a planetary nebula on anabolic steroids.

Using nearby stars as a gauge, I put it's magnitude just about equal with Delta Persei which is ~3.

I think it's starting to fade folks.

Regards and clear skies,

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: plutarko]
      #1940011 - 10/26/07 11:00 PM

The above image was obtained yesterday night through the University of Arizona's Steward Observatory 0.5 meter telescope in Tucson.



The large round outer coma is about 2 arcminutes in diameter as viewed from Earth - or nearly 87,000 miles across - the size of the planet Jupiter!!! Given that this shell of dust was generated two days ago (~50 hours), which means the expansion rate is almost 1490km/h!!!! isn't it impressive?

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: polaris]
      #1940148 - 10/27/07 12:04 AM

Good pictures/ images/ sketches everyone.

Polaris your image closely matches what I saw through my 80mm refractor just now.


As for the comet itself; "Ain't it the darnest thing!!"


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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: Jimbo100]
      #1940336 - 10/27/07 03:13 AM

I wonder what is that dark blue halo around the comet that can be seen in Tuugii's pic, as well as mine. Is it just some jpg artefact or anything else?

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst [Re: polaris]
      #1940346 - 10/27/07 03:44 AM

Quote:

Well, I still couldn't get a good view, only through high clouds, and this time the clouds were quite thick, and the moon was quite close (34° away), but the comet still put on a great display! Unbelievable! I took 38 frames 5 seconds each with a 6" f/5 reflector and Canon 350D, at ISO200. Separate frames didn't show any color, but the stack revealed it:

(BTW, pics taken around 21:30UT, Oct 26)




excellent pic...and also somewhat close to how my new Vixen ED103SWT Apo showed it at only 88x...i tried higher powers in both my Vixen Apos...and altho still very beautiful at higher powers, the 88x view thru the ED103S is the one i kept going back to...and turned out to be the most beautiful view of the comet thru both scopes last night...

imho, it`s one of the most amazing/awesome sights i`ve ever seen thru a telescope...and a very strange looking sight/comet, indeed...

that said, i`d still love to see this thing thru this Apo in a dark sky with good seeing...keeping fingers, toes, etc., crossed...

btw, imho, all the pics, sketches, etc., are excellent/beautiful, etc...Please keep them coming...

Jim

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst [Re: rusirius6278]
      #1940370 - 10/27/07 04:32 AM

I got a chance to observe the comet with 20x70 binos and with my SN-8 through the camera viewfinder. Gotta be one of the weirdest comets I've ever seen! lol

I managed to get some images with a DSLR and a webcam. Here's one showing some of the extended coma of 17p:




Comet 17p Holmes. 25x30 sec @ ISO 100. Meade SN-8 at F/4, MPCC, IDAS-LPS, Hutech Canon 350XT, Atlas EQ-G w/EQMOD.

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst [Re: polaris]
      #1940371 - 10/27/07 04:35 AM

Quote:

I wonder what is that dark blue halo around the comet that can be seen in Tuugii's pic, as well as mine. Is it just some jpg artefact or anything else?




I am sure it is not any jpg artifact. The large round outer coma is about 2 arcminutes in diameter as viewed from Earth - or nearly 87,000 miles across - the size of the planet Jupiter. Given that this shell of dust was generated two days ago (~50 hours), which means the expansion rate is almost 1490km/h.

As tonk had said, this giant cloud of gas is shined by the direct sunlight, hence it is yellow. Perhaps, if someone has spectroscopic datas, then we might give even better guesses.

BTW nice shot!

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst [Re: Tuugii]
      #1940373 - 10/27/07 04:36 AM

Mike, that is a killer image! very nice!

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst [Re: Mike B.]
      #1940378 - 10/27/07 04:41 AM

You must have just taken that. Your image matches perfectly what I sketch. That little star on the edge of the bright ring with the fainter halo extending out to that pair of stars at 3 o'clock ad to the pair of stars that are on an angle heading to the bottom of the image. I was observing with my 12.5" truss.

I'm tired and won't scan the sketch until the AM.

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst [Re: Bill Weir]
      #1940381 - 10/27/07 04:44 AM

Quote:

You must have just taken that. Your image matches perfectly what I sketch. That little star on the edge of the bright ring with the fainter halo extending out to that pair of stars at 3 o'clock ad to the pair of stars that are on an angle heading to the bottom of the image.




Yes, I just took it! I'm still shooting as I type this.

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst [Re: Mike B.]
      #1940496 - 10/27/07 06:49 AM

Mike --

Great shot! That's the first image I remember seeing that captures the annular characteristic of the inner halo that several of us visual observers have reported. I'm glad to see it's not just a trick of the eye/brain's processing.

The outer halo, on the other hand, has not been visible to me (although it may have more to do with my humid skies and that dang moon than my aperture).

(Measuring against the background stars, your shot shows the inner halo at about 4', and the outer at about 9'.)

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst [Re: Mike B.]
      #1940507 - 10/27/07 07:04 AM

Hi

Here is a 3 days size comparsion, all taken with the same equipment.



David


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