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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: PRESTON]
      #1949558 - 10/30/07 10:02 PM

I have observed the comet several times since last Thursday night October 25th but this is the first opportunity I have had to write up and post my observations. During my observations on October 25th there were a number of clouds around as well as the light from the full Moon but I was able to get a good view of the comet using the TMB 175mm f/8 apo refractor on it's homemade Dobsonian-style mount. Through the telescope at 47x and 70x the pseudo-nucleus was visible with fan-shaped material coming off from it. An inner coma and larger but fainter outer coma was visible as well. The outer coma had a gauze-like appearance to it. Both the inner and outer coma was light yellow in color. There were times where there appeared to be a fainter envelope or halo around the outer coma. To help enhance the detail I tried some different filters that I use when observing deep-sky objects including a Lumicon OIII filter and Baader UHC-S filter. During my two hour observing session I made a couple of sketches of the comet.

On Saturday night October 27th I observed the comet again before the clouds rolled in this time with a TMB 105mm f/6.2. Even with the smaller aperture the comet appeared larger and the inner coma, pseudo-nucleus, and outer coma appeared light yellow.

The sky was clear Sunday night/Monday morning October 28th-29th so I observed the comet with the TMB 175mm for several hours and made a couple of sketches. The comet appeared noticeably larger through this telescope than when I observed it last Thursday. Also, while the color of the pseudo-nucleus and inner coma still appeared light yellow, the outer coma appeared green at low power and blue-green at higher power. In addition at low power the outside edge of the outer coma did appear to have somewhat of an annular look to it but this was not as noticeable at higher power. The outer coma showed some variation in tone. There were two stars visible in the outer coma. By comparison the pseudo-nucleus appeared more diffuse.

I was curious if I could see more clearly the fainter envelope or halo around the outer coma that I noticed last Thursday night. The envelope or halo on the right hand side of the coma had a smooth round appearance to it and reminded me of a parabolic hood. I was able to trace it as it arced around the top and bottom of the comet. However as I studied the halo as it came around the bottom of the coma and up towards the left-hand side it no longer appeared smooth and round. Rather my eye kept detecting what looked like striations of lighter material coming off of the outer coma.

To make sure this wasn't an optical illusion I spent a long period of time trying different magnifications and filters, as well as techniques I use to enhance subtle detail in deep-sky objects. This included taking long deep, slow breaths to increase the oxygen level to the brain, gently tapping the telescope tube, and moving the comet outside of the field of view and letting in drift back in while determining when there was a change in the sky background. After a while I was able to determine that some of these striations of lighter material were coming off of the bottom left hand side of the outer coma at an angle, as well as straight back from the coma. There were some of these striations of lighter material coming off on the upper right hand side but they were not at the same angle or as prominent. It appears this lighter striations were the beginning of a tail. Around the same time I was detecting these lighter striations that appeared to be beginning of a tail two other observers obtained photographs of the tail showing similar detail. I would urge all observers to look for the tail(s) as it grows more pronounced.

Clear Skies,

Eric Jamison
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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: ericj]
      #1949609 - 10/30/07 10:16 PM

Third night in a row for me. It didnt appear that the starlike nucleus was as bright tonight and the outer coma appeared to be more "cloudy" and not quite as bright. At one point I almost thought I could make out a tail and tried imaging with the brighter parts out of the field of view but couldnt detect anything. Hopefully I'll get time over the next few days to post some images also. Maybe by this weekend, when I'll get more opportunites to observe it'll be even brighter!

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: DarrellW]
      #1949664 - 10/30/07 10:37 PM Attachment (59 downloads)

I have about four nights observing and imaging this comet. Watching the coma increase in size night to night is a remarkable sight.
The yellow of the inner coam can still be seen in a 20 inch f/4 last night at 53X. I detected the color tonight also in my TV101 at 36X. At higher magnifications the sharp edge of the outer coma was seen as incomplete annular ring. Best seen when slowly slewing the scope in declination. The pseudo nucleus is nearly stellar.
I include this image taken with TV 101, SWA 38mm Burges eyepiece, and afocal projection with Olympus C-5500 digital camera on a tripod. These are 4 x 15 second exposure at ISO400, stacked with RegiStax 4. Surprised that it showed up so well. Imaged on October 31, 2007 at 0:49 UT

Compare the star field to Olivier Biot's image.

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Edited by SabiaJD (10/30/07 10:45 PM)


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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: SabiaJD]
      #1949811 - 10/31/07 12:01 AM

I'm fighting some malady, either a cold or allergies, so I stayed home rather than venture out to dark skies"

Oct. 31.09 UT: m1=2.7, Dia = 8', DC = 7 ...NE...Phillip J. Creed (Canton, OH) [City light pollution; ZNLM ~ 5.4, ~5.0 NLM in vicinity of comet. Sharp, crisp transparency. I really wasn't feeling well so I just ventured outside with my 10x50s. In the binoculars, Inner coma ~11', outer coma ~20', but I suspect it's bigger under dark skies.]

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: Phillip Creed]
      #1949861 - 10/31/07 12:42 AM

I got out tonight, second time I've had a chance to see the comet since the 25th. The change was remarkable! I tried imaging with both the Nexstar and the DSI, but I think the comet was too big for the field of view for either.
What I saw over the course of the session though, was three distinct areas: a center bright "dot", an inner almost seashell like, bright coma, and a dim circular outer halo, quite large. In the 9.25, with the TV32mm plossel, it covered about half the FOV of the eyepiece. It was difficult for me to see any color, perhaps a dim yellow, but that might have been light pollution. Averted visison worked best for me.
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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: Phillip Creed]
      #1949891 - 10/31/07 01:03 AM

I have been fortunate enough to observe the comet for 6 consecutive evenings.
My observation on 10/31 3.5UT is very close to Philip's.
My magnitude estimate was at 2.8 with the same DC number.
Observed with 8X40 binoculars.

Tom H.

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: Pedestal]
      #1949926 - 10/31/07 01:23 AM Attachment (50 downloads)

Just came in from observing Holmes before moonrise with very dark skies. After eyeballing this amazingly bright comet, I looked first with the 15x70's and then with the CAT. In the 15x70's, I could detect a faint outer halo that had to be around 30 arcminutes (!) I could see a hint of the halo at 80x with the scope but it disappeared at higher powers than that.

Although the sharpest view was at 169x, I did my main observation at 250x with the 8mm BO/TMB Planetary eyepiece so I could compare it to my observation made Oct. 29th. In that time, the coma has expanded to almost fill the 12' field. The northern boundary appears well defined but the southern side seems to trail off. Some annularity was still apparent.

The inner coma or central condensation was still fan shaped and perhaps a little broader. The pseudo nucleus was bright and prominent (stellar at 169x). I did not detect any streamers or tail although the southern edge of the coma did appear faintly pointed just outside the FOV when I panned in that direction.

I estimate the magnitude at about 2.5 comparing it to nearby stars.

Here's the inverted version of the sketch.

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: Special Ed]
      #1949932 - 10/31/07 01:25 AM Attachment (55 downloads)

Here's the original graphite field sketch with notes.

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SVP 3.6" f/13.6 CA Reflector
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Edited by Special Ed (10/31/07 01:35 AM)


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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: ericj]
      #1949941 - 10/31/07 01:33 AM

Quote:

I have observed the comet several times since last Thursday night October 25th but this is the first opportunity I have had to write up and post my observations. During my observations on October 25th there were a number of clouds around as well as the light from the full Moon but I was able to get a good view of the comet using the TMB 175mm f/8 apo refractor on it's homemade Dobsonian-style mount. Through the telescope at 47x and 70x the pseudo-nucleus was visible with fan-shaped material coming off from it. An inner coma and larger but fainter outer coma was visible as well. The outer coma had a gauze-like appearance to it. Both the inner and outer coma was light yellow in color. There were times where there appeared to be a fainter envelope or halo around the outer coma. To help enhance the detail I tried some different filters that I use when observing deep-sky objects including a Lumicon OIII filter and Baader UHC-S filter. During my two hour observing session I made a couple of sketches of the comet.

On Saturday night October 27th I observed the comet again before the clouds rolled in this time with a TMB 105mm f/6.2. Even with the smaller aperture the comet appeared larger and the inner coma, pseudo-nucleus, and outer coma appeared light yellow.

The sky was clear Sunday night/Monday morning October 28th-29th so I observed the comet with the TMB 175mm for several hours and made a couple of sketches. The comet appeared noticeably larger through this telescope than when I observed it last Thursday. Also, while the color of the pseudo-nucleus and inner coma still appeared light yellow, the outer coma appeared green at low power and blue-green at higher power. In addition at low power the outside edge of the outer coma did appear to have somewhat of an annular look to it but this was not as noticeable at higher power. The outer coma showed some variation in tone. There were two stars visible in the outer coma. By comparison the pseudo-nucleus appeared more diffuse.

I was curious if I could see more clearly the fainter envelope or halo around the outer coma that I noticed last Thursday night. The envelope or halo on the right hand side of the coma had a smooth round appearance to it and reminded me of a parabolic hood. I was able to trace it as it arced around the top and bottom of the comet. However as I studied the halo as it came around the bottom of the coma and up towards the left-hand side it no longer appeared smooth and round. Rather my eye kept detecting what looked like striations of lighter material coming off of the outer coma.

To make sure this wasn't an optical illusion I spent a long period of time trying different magnifications and filters, as well as techniques I use to enhance subtle detail in deep-sky objects. This included taking long deep, slow breaths to increase the oxygen level to the brain, gently tapping the telescope tube, and moving the comet outside of the field of view and letting in drift back in while determining when there was a change in the sky background. After a while I was able to determine that some of these striations of lighter material were coming off of the bottom left hand side of the outer coma at an angle, as well as straight back from the coma. There were some of these striations of lighter material coming off on the upper right hand side but they were not at the same angle or as prominent. It appears this lighter striations were the beginning of a tail. Around the same time I was detecting these lighter striations that appeared to be beginning of a tail two other observers obtained photographs of the tail showing similar detail. I would urge all observers to look for the tail(s) as it grows more pronounced.

Clear Skies,

Eric Jamison
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other than the tail you describe, i`ve had similar views over the course of my 4 nights of observing this comet since Wed. the 24th thru my new Vixen ED103S at only 32x...to my eyes this comet looks spectacular thru this Apo at such low powers.

Jim

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: rusirius6278]
      #1950033 - 10/31/07 02:53 AM Attachment (55 downloads)

This is my third night observing it, but the prior two were with 10x50's. Tonight viewed with the 80mm scope. Here's my poor photo of it from yesterday. I made too long of an exposure without tracking.

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: Erix]
      #1950034 - 10/31/07 02:54 AM Attachment (48 downloads)

And the sketch from tonight.

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: Erix]
      #1950045 - 10/31/07 03:07 AM Attachment (64 downloads)

This is the sketch that I did tonight using the 25" Eq Newt. I'm a little rushed to post this as I should get to bed. I need to clean it up a bit. I had to finally change eyepieces from the 17mm T4 Nagler on Paracorr because the comet is starting to get too big to look good in the FOV. Tonight I was using a 40mm Optilux in the Paracorr. The view was fantastic.

I leave it to you to judge what you see that I saw.

Bill

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst [Re: Erix]
      #1950053 - 10/31/07 03:20 AM

just had a 20min view through 21" 34mm EP. Pretty much looks just the same as yesterday.

BTW, I will be very happy if the comet will have another outburst in coming days.

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst [Re: Tuugii]
      #1950073 - 10/31/07 04:04 AM

Quote:

just had a 20min view through 21" 34mm EP. Pretty much looks just the same as yesterday.

BTW, I will be very happy if the comet will have another outburst in coming days.

Tuugii




i was thinking the same thing...that would be awesome.

Jim

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Vixen ED103SWT
Vixen ED102S
C-102AZ/HD
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Jason 60/11.7

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Older UO Ortho - 4mm
Celestron 2x Ultima Barlow

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst [Re: rusirius6278]
      #1950075 - 10/31/07 04:09 AM

Quote:

Quote:

just had a 20min view through 21" 34mm EP. Pretty much looks just the same as yesterday.

BTW, I will be very happy if the comet will have another outburst in coming days.

Tuugii




i was thinking the same thing...that would be awesome.

Jim




it had a secondary one in late 19th century during times of it's discovery. If it will have one this time, certainly this object will become the weirdest, the most unpredictable beauty in the night sky ....

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst [Re: Tuugii]
      #1950122 - 10/31/07 05:07 AM

This morning at 4AM EDT from Athens GA, it is most definitely larger; and photos are demonstrating that the halo is growing!!

The comet seems to have lost most of its initial yellowish tinging, appearing milky now. I am trying to estimate its size in 7x35 binocs. Nearby prominent pairs of stars I used for comparison were 5.15 mag 29 Persei and 5.03 mag 31 Persei, separated by around 8'; and 4.67 mag 34 Persei and 5.58 mag HD 21362, separated by about 20'. The comet seems to subtend the same overall angular size or perhaps just a bit more as the 8' separation between 29 and 31 Per. Still about as bright as 3.01 mag Del Per !

While out, also located the Double Cluster, M42, & M41 !

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst [Re: novbabies]
      #1950254 - 10/31/07 07:43 AM

I sat out last night and caught Holmes again for the 7th consecutive night.

It didn't seem as bright as last night....but it's hanging in there and my 80mm scope mount parts are on the way! I may get to throw some larger glass at the comet by this weekend!

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst [Re: Glassthrower]
      #1950686 - 10/31/07 11:41 AM Attachment (43 downloads)

Image from last night taken at 1:55 UT, before moon rise.
12 x 25 seconds ISO-400, 14 Darks, 14 Flats.
Never thought ide say this but i`m kinda glad its supposed
to be mostly cloudy here tonight, i need sleep

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst [Re: Dave M]
      #1950701 - 10/31/07 11:44 AM Attachment (40 downloads)

Same image Inverted, converted to Gray scale, Brightness adjusted.

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst [Re: Dave M]
      #1950775 - 10/31/07 12:19 PM

Very attractive in my handheld 15x80 binos last night being more of a soft white glowing ball in appearence without the central bright spot of light observed in previous observations. Again to the naked eye had the same appearence of how a glob would appear in my 50mm finderscope.


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