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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: John Wunderlin]
      #1953011 - 11/01/07 10:02 AM

Great comparison shots. Keep up the good work I was playing around last evening estimating the size of the halo. If my calcs were correct I came up with approx 9 arcminutes? Has anyone else done a recent estimate? If that was correct then actual diameter of the halo would far exceed the distance from Earth to Moon. Hard to imagine it being that big.

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: Phillip Creed]
      #1953017 - 11/01/07 10:07 AM

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This is just a momentary aside.

With all the posts on this thread, I got curious about how it ranks.

Folks, we're #1! This has the most posts of any thread in the history of this forum. It's still #2 in number of views, but it's rapidly closing in on the Mars 2003 thread, too. It has left the Comet McNaught thread in the dust (no pun intended).

Give yourselves a pat on the back.

I now return you to your regularly-scheduled programming...

Clear Skies,
Phil




I wondered if this was more popular than the "McNaught" thread. Thanks for the answer to my curiosity, Phillip.

Frankly, I also wonder if this thread has more "Holmes" info than any other available resource online...

Either way Tonk started a landslide with this one (thanks Tony).

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: Chopin]
      #1953032 - 11/01/07 10:18 AM

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Either way Tonk started a landslide with this one




On the ball for once. I just rember my excitement when two alert e-mails (BAA and Astrosite Gronigen) arrived in my mail box in minutes of each other on the 24th. First thought was "get it up on CN's solar system observing" as the forum absolutely deserves it. Have you noticed that its comets that are always runaway popular threads here

Its been a joy to read all this stuff - the UK skies are grey - I'd have only one chance to see it so far myself, but this thread makes up for that. Until my next clear night ...

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: EdZ]
      #1953033 - 11/01/07 10:20 AM

I too was out last night (31 Oct. 9:30-10:00PM EDT/1 Nov. 0130-0200 UT) with the mounted 15x70 HD APM binoculars. This was well before moonrise and skies were dark with good transparency and average seeing. Holmes appeared slightly dimmer--I estimated the Mv=2.8. The outer coma appeared about the same size as my last observation (~11') with a well defined brighter northern side and a dimmer, more diffuse, and extended southern side (as shown in Jeremy's excellent drawings).

The inner coma was still bright with a DC=7 (this one is hard for me to gauge) and a curious flattening out on the SW side. The stellar pseudo nucleus popped in and out a few times with averted vision but never for very long.

The outer halo was perhaps slightly dimmer than my previous observation but still clearly visible (from dark sites anyway) and if anything, a little bigger than before (~30'). I expect as it continues to expand it will lose surface brightness and become dimmer and dimmer but I don't know at what rate.

John Wunderlin's images are terrific.

Comet Holmes is just great.


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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: Special Ed]
      #1953157 - 11/01/07 11:19 AM

Thanks guys!

Last night was the first night I saw the extended coma beyond what I've been able to image, but what Jeremy's sketches show. I used my Oberwerk 80x20 binos and it was very evident. I'm hoping to get to my observatory in the next few days to image with my ED80 (I've been imaging with my back yard dob up to now).

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: John Wunderlin]
      #1953195 - 11/01/07 11:38 AM

I went back through all the messages and see that several members including MikeP, ExpandingSponge2 and Tonk have imaged the extended coma- I just didn't look closely enough- nice job guys!

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: John Wunderlin]
      #1953579 - 11/01/07 02:36 PM

here are some latest processed pix:

it had again passed very close to another star, notice the difference in 2hours



Another thing is the tail... I am totally not sure whether it is or not...:


crop shows:

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: Tuugii]
      #1953910 - 11/01/07 04:52 PM

Tuguldur,
Seems you may have captured in visible light, what
astronomers got a few days ago in infrared of a suspected
tail. Great job!
-Bill

http://tinyurl.com/2upehh

[Moderator Note: edited URL to fix screen width overflow.
Please try not to post URL that is very long and doesn't
wrap - thanks.]

Edited by Ron B[ee] (11/02/07 04:21 PM)


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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: BillP]
      #1953949 - 11/01/07 05:04 PM

Isn't the whole thing basically the tail? I imagine a cone shaped object pointed almost directly at us, but just off center with the tip of the cone being the nucleus. I wish NASA would image this using some of our spacecraft around Mars, Saturn or the New Horizons probe...

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: John Wunderlin]
      #1954069 - 11/01/07 06:10 PM

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Seems you may have captured in visible light, what astronomers got a few days ago in infrared of a suspected tail.




Not quite - thats a closeup of the inner coma. The asymmetry of the dust fan shown is most likely releated to the ejection event that started off this whole spectacle

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst new [Re: BillP]
      #1954968 - 11/02/07 01:27 AM

Quote:

Tuguldur,
Seems you may have captured in visible light, what
astronomers got a few days ago in infrared of a suspected
tail. Great job!
-Bill

http://tinyurl.com/2upehh





thanks Bill.

How do you know my real name???????????????

I am writing this post from the dome of 21". Everyone seen
through the EP says the nuclei had dimmed a lot. Finally it
had filled the view of 34mm Meade EP.

The sky is clear, and I am collecting the datas, will post
them tomorrow.

The overall size looks like 9arcmin.

Tuugii

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Edited by Ron B[ee] (11/02/07 04:23 PM)


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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst [Re: Tonk]
      #1954973 - 11/02/07 01:32 AM Attachment (31 downloads)

I observed Comet Holmes from 0200-0330 UT 2 November with my 15x70's and 8" (20cm) SCT. In the binoculars under very dark, moonless skies, the coma was bright and continues to appear well defined on the NNE side and diffuse and extended on the SSW side with an even brighter elongated core. I suspected the pseudo nucleus at times with averted vision. The outer halo/shell was clearly evident and large and appeared brighter to the NNE side.

I started at low power with the telescope and worked my way up. At 40x, the outer halo/shell filled the .9° FOV completely (!) At powers above that, I could not detect it. I also observed the comet at 80x and 169x. The latter gave the more pleasing view, but I continued up to 250x to make my sketch for comparison purposes with my other two sketches.

I recalculated the FOV of the 8mm BO/TMB Planetary eyepiece and came up with 14.4 arcminutes, so my previous estimates of the coma's diameter may have been off by an arcsecond or two. In any event, the coma now appears to span about 14 arcseconds. The fan shaped core and pseudo nucleus appear much dimmer at that power than before. I could see one bright and three dimmer stars shining through the coma. The SSW edge of the coma appeared to drop off in brightness as it trailed away. Here is the inverted view:

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst [Re: Special Ed]
      #1954981 - 11/02/07 01:34 AM Attachment (22 downloads)

Here is the original field sketch with notes:

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst [Re: Special Ed]
      #1955035 - 11/02/07 02:24 AM

After a nice walk home from work, I was good and dark adapted, so I got the 100mm f/6 refractor back out again. The comet was still quite an easy naked-eye object, again fairly comparable to the brightness of Algol (perhaps 2.6). It is non-stellar but still fairly small. In the refractor at 25x, it was a beautiful sight, showing the usual brighter inner coma and faint outer halo. I put in the Lumicon Deep-sky filter and the view improved noticeably, with the halo now standing out quite well and the overall view showing a very nice level of contrast. Doing transit timings gave a diameter of about 37 arc minutes for the outer halo and 13.2 arc minutes for the inner shell. In fact, there were hints of radial details in the halo, so I kicked up the power to 43x (still with the Deep-sky filter). The outer halo showed a rather ragged edge with several broad faint diffuse radial filaments noted mainly in the southern and western portions. The brightest one was pointing nearly south from the inner coma and was probably the longest. The others were noticeably fainter, with perhaps two or three visible with difficulty and perhaps a few others suspected. The inner coma showed a little of the "annular effect" illusion at low power, but mainly along the eastern and northern sides. The southern and western sides of the inner coma were noticeably more diffuse and a little irregular. The color was very difficult to discern, but may have been off-white to maybe slightly yellowish. The magnitude 7.6 star HD 23104 was well within the inner coma perhaps two or three arc minutes south-southwest of the nuclear condensation. The middle of the inner coma held the large central brightening which is losing much of its earlier fan shape. Indeed, I had difficulty seeing anything of the actual nuclear condensation other than as small slightly brighter spot near the edge of the central brightening and off-set a little distance from the geometric center of the coma. I kept increasing the power in an attempt to see the nuclear condensation, but below 150x, I could only see a tiny diffuse spot. Finally, at 188x, I could just barely catch a glimpse of a small stellar dot in the middle of the smaller brightening, and I would estimate that this pseudonucleus was definitely fainter than 12th magnitude and probably closer to 13th. Thus, the condensation has faded significantly over the past few days, and may soon require the additional aperture of my NexStar 9.25 in order to be seen. At high power, I could catch some vague variations in brightness in the large central region of the inner coma, possibly the remnants of broad radial bands running away from the nuclear condensation. Clear skies to you.

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst [Re: David Knisely]
      #1955058 - 11/02/07 03:02 AM

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How do you know my real name???????????????




Click on Tuugii in lefthand column and you see your user profile

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst [Re: Tonk]
      #1955076 - 11/02/07 03:24 AM

Quote:

Quote:

How do you know my real name???????????????




Click on Tuugii in lefthand column and you see your user profile




there you go,,,, I didn't even know that?!

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst [Re: Tuugii]
      #1955105 - 11/02/07 03:55 AM

Just a quick note, I too was able to spot three tail streamers in 11x70 and 11x80 binoculars under very clear skies with NELM6.9 in the area of comet. The large outer coma was also visible with the naked eye. More later... (I have a ton of reports to post...).
Clear skies!
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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst [Re: Jure]
      #1955166 - 11/02/07 04:49 AM

The extreme foreshortening is lessening for certain. What an amazing event to partake of... !

3:12 AM Athens GA - this outburst is outliving even my most optimistic estimates of duration! The sky here this morning is (what else ?) clear, it is a wee bit humid but the temp is in the upper 50s. Moonlight is again less this morning. The comet seems brighter today than yesterday; I estimate 2.7-2.8 based on a naked-eye glassesless view and comparison to Delta Persei. (My left eye is only slightly near-sighted, and I can easily see 3rd magnitude stars as slightly swollen in appearance with my glasses off. The comet seems brighter than Del Per…)

The comet is larger again today; it seems to be growing from day to day. Comparison to the 8' separation between 29 & 31 Persei in my 7x35 binocs leads me to estimate the size at 11-12'. The comet seems strikingly "non-round" this morning; whereas yesterday I thought it appeared as an elongated circle, this morning I **think** it is more of a fat and stubby U-shape: one side rounded, the opposite side “flat”. It may be that the orientation to our line of sight is ever so slightly now allowing any tail to peek out from beyond the comet!

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst [Re: novbabies]
      #1955365 - 11/02/07 08:45 AM

I was out last night to view Holmes again and it was definitely much dimmer than the previous night (wednesday).

The core was not nearly as bright in relation to the coma, and I got the impression that the core was just about "petered out" from it's outburst.

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Re: ALERT - Comet Holmes in mega outburst [Re: Glassthrower]
      #1955444 - 11/02/07 09:31 AM

Mark, interesting take on the "U" shape.

Mike, diminishing core!?! Rats, I miss two nights of observing and look what happens!

This post is two days late, as the sketch was done early Halloween morning. All I can say is "What a difference a day makes!" Compared to my previous sketch about 23 hours earlier this observation clearly showed yet still a larger overall comet. More intruiging was the visible detail within the inner halo at 15x. This is the first time I've been able to do back to back obsevations/sketches with the same instrument, and hence same image scale. Shadows and filaments (for lack of a better desciption) were prominent at this magnification, which is not unlike M42 in the same binocular. The moon was nearby, although waning. I can't help but think that detail would be vastly easier to see without Luna staring down on me. Still, this was by far the most stunning view yet.



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