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Not quite up to par these days
      #1935844 - 10/25/07 10:03 AM

I don't usually talk about my own problems, but I thought I'd mention to all of you what's been going on behind the scenes with me lately.

I've now been out of work for two weeks as of Tuesday. I leaned over the wrong way at work one afternoon and turned nearly white with pain. I was stuck in one position for several minutes before anyone could even move me to sit me down. Literally, I was stunned and hurting severely. So I left work and went home. My first thoughts were this is just another misalignment of my low back which I've dealt with for years.

Now a bit of some history. I've had some back problems for many many years. Usually it's a rotated sacrum, which in turn pinches the sciatic nerve. A lot of different things can set it off, usually motions that are twisting, like raking leaves, shovling snow, or lifting and twisting my body trunk rather than turning my entire body. So, all from a hypermobile sacrum, I get low back pain, hip pain, front leg pain, leg muscle soreness and leg numbness. In the past, lots of Ibuprofen and several sessions with the PT gets me over the worst of it and I get nearly back to normal in 3-4 weeks.

Well, things have changed. Two weeks ago I was in such sever pain that I couldn't get up off the couch to walk 15 ft to go to the bathroom. The only way I could lie down and keep still for 20-25 minutes for an MRI was to take a double dose of percocets.

Most of the pain now has moved out of the low back and is now radiated around my hip and down into my knee, but that pain keeps me up most of the night, even with the percocets. I haven't slept more than 2 hours continuous and probably not more than 4 hours a night at any time in the last two weeks.

MRI results show that I have tears in two disks. In addition to the disk tears, there is a tube or tunnel that the nerve goes thru where the tube is narrowed or squeezed tight. This is causing pressure on the nerve, (sciatic I presume) and this is related to the transfer of pain down the legs.

So after some discussion, I (we, doctor and I) have decided on a course of action. Considering my long history of this type of problem, I don't anticipate that it's going to be a simple remedy. Doc agrees with me. From here, I'll see a nuerologist, get reassessed, with likely action that I'll need to get cut to repair or remove the offending disk material. I've heard some good reports from some people that have had similar procedures. Sort of like orthoscopic surgery.

I've spent half my lifetime living with some kind of back pain. But never before have I been so totally incapacitated by it. I've never been off work for two weeks in my life. At this point all i want to do is get to a point where I'm without pain and can return to at least some sort of normal life. I'd be happy to sleep thru the night.

So while it may appear I'm around a lot lately, I'm not all here, and my involvement may sometimes be diminished. I haven't been outside to even look up in over two weeks now. Progress has slowed on major projects and I sometimes open threads and read them and just close them, rather than get involved in discussions. While you may be waiting in anxious anticipation for an answer to a question you pose in a thread, I'm waiting in anxious anticipation for the next dose of pain killers.

In due course, I hope to be operating at full throttle again, but it could be a while. So bear with me.

edz

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Re: Not quite up to par these days new [Re: EdZ]
      #1935886 - 10/25/07 10:27 AM

Wow! So sorry to hear of your problems.
Hope you can get some relief very soon.
Lynn

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Re: Not quite up to par these days new [Re: EdZ]
      #1935891 - 10/25/07 10:32 AM

Ed,

I hope the prognosis from your neurologist bodes well for the future.

[Edit] A friend of mine was incapacitated in a manner similar to yours. He had surgery (included disk fusion) which, while no picnic, did clear up his problems.

Regards,
Harry

Edited by Harry Jacobson (10/25/07 11:32 AM)


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Re: Not quite up to par these days new [Re: Harry Jacobson]
      #1935934 - 10/25/07 10:55 AM

Ed ,

I'm so sorry to hear about this , but I'm mighty pleased that you made the ( slightly surprising to me ) decision to let us all know about your situation .

You have my deepest sympathy .

By a remarkable co - incidence ( though not that anyone would notice in the same way they would with your diminished contributions ) I have also been suffering of late , with a variety of ailments and problems , and would also give almost anything to get a full night's sleep right now .

I've been struggling through work for two or three weeks with severe pains in my lower back and upper right leg , and left shoulder blade , and almost crippling " arthtritic - like pains " in my right fingers .

To cap it all , I am now suffering from the most agonising mouth abscess imaginable , and have finally been signed off work ( without pay for the first week , I hasten to add ! ) .

The combination of various aches and pains , medication and lack of sleep has also dulled my appetite to respond to several threads in the same way I might otherwise have - not that anyone will be missing out too much as a result of THAT , I hasten to add ! :-)

Ed , I wish you a FULL recovery -- I suspect it would be rather naive of me to say " speedy " given your ailments .

Countless here will certainly lose out as a result of your relative inactivity .

Kind Regards

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Re: Not quite up to par these days new [Re: EdZ]
      #1935957 - 10/25/07 11:07 AM

i am new to this forum and new found hobbie but have the deepest respect for you and the wealth of knolledge you share with us here.
i hope the pain eases and you recover well.
and kenny the same to you.

best wishes mark

Edited by mark22c (10/25/07 11:10 AM)


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Re: Not quite up to par these days new [Re: mark22c]
      #1936001 - 10/25/07 11:27 AM

Ed,
That's bad news. I always imagine you out slamming every night. My brother in law had a similar problem for years and years, and surgery, while no fun, really helped him tremendously. He's back hauling his small boat and fishing again. So, if that's what it takes, go for it. In the meantime I hope you at least reach a state where you can rest easy for a while. We'll try to keep the discussions entertaining, but try not say things that you'll feel the need to disagree with! Hang in there man.
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Re: Not quite up to par these days new [Re: ronharper]
      #1936018 - 10/25/07 11:33 AM

Get well soon Ed,

I am sure I speak for the regulars here when I say your contribution to this forum can not be overstated.

Best wishes for your speedy recovery.

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Re: Not quite up to par these days new [Re: ronharper]
      #1936030 - 10/25/07 11:39 AM

Et tu, Kenny,
What a blight of bother. I hope you can recover without having to take the hard medical road that EdZ is on. I know it's hard to keep the lighthearted rightbrained opinions flowing when you feel terrible. So, kick back a while, and think of sheep.
Get well soon.
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Re: Not quite up to par these days new [Re: EdZ]
      #1936031 - 10/25/07 11:41 AM

Ed:
I'm also somewhat new to CN and even though I don't feel your pain - I have an idea what it may be like. My wife has been going through essentially the same thing for over a year! So hang in there dude! It has to get better!

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Re: Not quite up to par these days new [Re: ronharper]
      #1936038 - 10/25/07 11:45 AM

Ed-
So sorry to hear. I've had a ruptured disc in my back, so am well familiar with the pain you're suffering. I was fortunate- the pain was so bad, that while I was waiting the results of my MRI, I was treated with a dose of steroids... and the pain went away. I was told that while most of the time it didn't help, that in the few cases it did help, the results were dramatic. As soon as I went off the steroids (tapered off per doseage instructions), the pain returned. The doctor put me back on, the pain was relieved, and never came back. This was my family practice doctor; my back specialist was out of town, which was the reason for getting the MRI results. When I finally got my MRI's read, by one of the top back doctors (Rogozinski Brothers) in the country- with several patents to their credit for back surgery devices (Rogo-rod, for one), they confirmed I indeed had a completely ruptured disc, and that they could have shown my MRI results to any 10 back doctors in the country and they would have said I was a prime candidate for back surgery, but the steroids had obviously relieved the pressure on the sciatic nerve. That was about 18 years ago. I take aspirin for back pain when it occurs, when I'm doing yard work or other such back-irritating work, and get by fine. Don't know if trying steroids would provide some relief for you if your doctor would agree?
Whatever the outcome for you, Ed, know that there are many here pulling for you (all of us!) and hope you get some relief soon. Back pain/sciatica is as bad as it gets.

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Re: Not quite up to par these days new [Re: Wes James]
      #1936067 - 10/25/07 12:01 PM

< Back pain/sciatica is as bad as it gets. >

I've suffered from sciatica for years now -- but bad as it is -- I'd take it any day of the week before one of these terrible mouth abscesses !

It really is " gun to the head " stuff , I can tell you .

Ed , I forgot to mention that my eldest daughter finally FULLY recovered from her back surgery .

Three years ago she literally COULDN'T WALK -- and was in a wheelchair for almost a year -- YET --

-- three months ago --

She ran a half - marathon for charity ! :-)

There's HOPE for you , yet , Ed !

Kenny

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Re: Not quite up to par these days new [Re: KennyJ]
      #1936108 - 10/25/07 12:18 PM

Ed, this forum is a testament to your knowledge and enthusiasm so I hope you can recover while 'resting on your laurels' for a bit. And I hope Kenny too and all who've posted are feeling better soon.

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Re: Not quite up to par these days new [Re: KennyJ]
      #1936117 - 10/25/07 12:21 PM

Hi All,

Ed,

Very sorry to hear your news,and sincerly hope you make a full recovery,ASAP.

You,Kenny,and the other people,experiencing this crippling pain.

Have my Sympathy.

I DO understand what it is like.

Regards.
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Re: Not quite up to par these days new [Re: KennyJ]
      #1936118 - 10/25/07 12:21 PM

Quote:

Ed ,

I'm so sorry to hear about this , but I'm mighty pleased that you made the ( slightly surprising to me ) decision to let us all know about your situation .

You have my deepest sympathy .

By a remarkable co - incidence ( though not that anyone would notice in the same way they would with your diminished contributions ) I have also been suffering of late , with a variety of ailments and problems , and would also give almost anything to get a full night's sleep right now .

I've been struggling through work for two or three weeks with severe pains in my lower back and upper right leg , and left shoulder blade , and almost crippling " arthtritic - like pains " in my right fingers .

To cap it all , I am now suffering from the most agonising mouth abscess imaginable , and have finally been signed off work ( without pay for the first week , I hasten to add ! ) .

The combination of various aches and pains , medication and lack of sleep has also dulled my appetite to respond to several threads in the same way I might otherwise have - not that anyone will be missing out too much as a result of THAT , I hasten to add ! :-)

Ed , I wish you a FULL recovery -- I suspect it would be rather naive of me to say " speedy " given your ailments .

Countless here will certainly lose out as a result of your relative inactivity .

Kind Regards

Kenny




Kenny and EdZ. I hope you both can feel well again soon.
You both are productive members of society and certainly dont deserve all this pain both medical and economic. My Sympathy goes out to both of you!! Get WELL soon. We need you here. Back pain most will tell you is HORRIBLE. Regards, Shawn

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Re: Not quite up to par these days new [Re: mttafire]
      #1936189 - 10/25/07 01:02 PM

Best wishes EdZ and Kenny for a quick and complete recovery!

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Re: Not quite up to par these days new [Re: Mark9473]
      #1936213 - 10/25/07 01:14 PM

Ed, I'm very sorry to read about this. I often wondered why some of your remarks to my posts were a bit harsh and now I completely understand why, (that and the fact that it sometimes takes a few tries for things to sink in for me...),. My late father was always talking about back and leg pains, so I can kind of relate to where you are coming from.
I have said a few bad things here on CN in the past and moderators told me to think twice before hitting the ENTER button and I rightly do as asked by them. I truly hope that your pain goes away as I do NOT wish any kind of pain on anybody. May your days of gazing at the stars become a pleasurable experience once again Sir.

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Re: Not quite up to par these days new [Re: Mark9473]
      #1936214 - 10/25/07 01:14 PM

Ditto that!

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Re: Not quite up to par these days new [Re: EdZ]
      #1936246 - 10/25/07 01:26 PM

Quote:

MRI results show that I have tears in two disks. In addition to the disk tears, there is a tube or tunnel that the nerve goes thru where the tube is narrowed or squeezed tight. This is causing pressure on the nerve, (sciatic I presume) and this is related to the transfer of pain down the legs.

So after some discussion, I (we, doctor and I) have decided on a course of action. Considering my long history of this type of problem, I don't anticipate that it's going to be a simple remedy. Doc agrees with me. From here, I'll see a nuerologist, get reassessed, with likely action that I'll need to get cut to repair or remove the offending disk material. I've heard some good reports from some people that have had similar procedures. Sort of like orthoscopic surgery.
edz




Thank you for letting us know about this. I sympathize and empathize, having been forced to bed with severe back pain several times, and one time for an entire week. (But I've been doing pretty well for a while, I'm happy to report.)

Now, just a couple of months ago, my co-worker right next to me, who is under 35, came to the point of having to have surgery to treat two herniated disks which were causing all sorts of severe back pain and other neurological symptoms. Happily, her surgery was successful, pretty much wonderfully so. I wish the very same or even better for you! And as all have said, your work for this forum and for binocular users is general is very much appreciated - Thank you very much!

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Re: Not quite up to par these days new [Re: DblVision]
      #1936252 - 10/25/07 01:29 PM

Edz,

If it's any consolation many of us are in not so different circumstances. As I quickly approach the half century mark, I'm starting to experience joint problems that are impacting my every day life.

We here at CN have all benefitted greatly from your insight and knowledge. We all wish you the best!!!

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Re: Not quite up to par these days new [Re: DblVision]
      #1936260 - 10/25/07 01:34 PM

EdZ,

Best wishes for a complete recovery for what ever treatment path you choose. If you put your trust in a good neurosurgeon, I am sure he will exhaust every treatment option before he resorts to the knife. From my own experience with neck and pain pain, you should insist on that.

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