KennyJ
   
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Of special interest to UK residents , I came across this:
http://www.londoncamera.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=133&products_id=1257
I don't know if this is the cheapest place or the only place from which these can be obtained east -side of the pond ,but less than £100 for these sounds very reasonable to me , and must say I am quite tempted by them myself.
I also noted from other web sites that the Nikon Extreme is also available in 7 x 50 as well as the commonly commented upon 8 x 40 and 10 x 50.
Regards , Kenny.
-------------------- If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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Steve Napier
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Kenny,these binoculars are available at my local John Lewis department store but,they are above £100,not sure the exact price,I will check the next time Im in there. The specs seem very impressive for the price,It didnt say if BaK4 prisms are used though. Steve.
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Hi Kenny, I'm over the border from you in Yorkshire I'm currently looking at buying my first pair of binoculars. I was thinking about the Celestron Skymaster 15x70s but wonder if these might be a better buy.
Darren
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KennyJ
   
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Hi Darren,
A warm welcome to Cloudy Nights.
A "better buy" depends on what your intended usage for these binoculars actually is.
If you want 15 x 70s , you practically MUST arrange for some sort of mounting system , and a good tripod and fluid head will certainly cost more than the Skymaster's themselves.
For OUT and OUT Astronomy , you will certainly see more in 15 x 70s than 10 x 50s , for example.
There are some excellent posts in the "Best Of" section here on CN bino forums detailing both mounting options and what you can see with which bino.
BUT -- and it's a BIG BUT -- IF you intend to use your binoculars for all sorts of daytime and nighttime applications , many of which will be "spontaneous" hand -held activities , without the clutter and hassle of tripods and mounts , you will be MUCH better off with 10 x 50s.
Even if you are "new" to bino astronomy , you will also probably be much better off with 10 x 50s.
In addition to all this ,although I have never personally used EITHER of the two models in question( assuming 10 x 50 Nikon Action Extremes v 15 x 70 Celestron Skymasters ) let's just say I have a strong hunch that you would be getting better overall value with the Nikon Extreme 10 x 50
If there is any truth in the saying "the best binoculars are the ones you use the MOST" I guess most people would agree that 10 x 50s are more likely to fit than 15 x 70s.
Good luck Darren and let us know how you go on.
Regards from west of "The Chain"
Kenny.
-------------------- If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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Thanks Kenny, interesting points. Would you recommend the Nikon over the Celestron if I was using them purely for Astronomy? That was my initial intention, though I could well imagine wanting to use them during the day once I have them. I suppose, put simply, I want something to aid my learning of the night sky. And something that will further my enjoyment of the hobby.
thanks Darren
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KennyJ
   
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< I suppose, put simply, I want something to aid my learning of the night sky. And something that will further my enjoyment of the hobby. >
Darren ,even assuming "equal quality" of instruments , I would go for 10 x 50s over 15 x 70s AT THIS STAGE OF YOUR LEARNING CURVE.
And even within the hobby collectively known as "astronomy" there are branches / aspects of the hobby where a 10x50 with a wider field is preferable to a 15 x 70.
And don't forget the hassle , restrictions , and additional expense of tripod and mount.
< though I could well imagine wanting to use them during the day once I have them.>
An inspired thought on your part Darren !
Trust me , binocular viewing can become VERY addictive :-)
AND --don't forget there are MANY more DAYS , or at least parts of days , when conditions and situations allow if not cry -out for putting binoculars to your eyes, than there are clear nights when the sky is awash with stars.
Even when it is , light pollution can all but ruin the experience.
And Yorkshire is every bit as regularly cloudy , cold and wet as Lancashire :-)
It's not as if I think these two models are EQUAL in QUALITY, but I COULD be wrong about that ,and I certainly intend no offense whatsoever to anyone who owns Celestron Skymasters.
For one thing they are over -priced here in the UK anyway if advertisements in my monthly astro -magazine are anything to go by.
So , if you want me to spell it out in plain English, if I were in your shoes I would get the Nikon 10 x 50 Action Extremes and take it from there.
Oh --and as I said the other day -- why worry so much about buying one OR the other ?
If you buy from a place with a reasonable returns policy , you can always return them. If not sell them / swap them etc etc.
Of course I always say "try before you buy"- if you can ! but let's face it -- how many shops / retailers are prepared to let you take a brand new binocular from them , wait for a clear night or two , then decide whether or not you want to buy them ?
Good luck Darren !
Kenny.
-------------------- If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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Tom L
   
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Darren, Kenny knows his stuff...let me say this...
I had a pair of 15x70s and had to mount them in order to use them for extended astro viewing. I bought a pair of Nikon 10x50 Action Extremes and decided to sell the 15x70s. I don't have to mount the 10x50s to use them for extended periods and it suits my viewing style much better.
One day I might get the BIG glasses that must be mounted, but until then I used my binocs and telescopes. Good luck!
-------------------- Tom
Tele Vue 102mm f/8.6 on an EzTouch
Vixen 80mm f/5 A80SSWT on a grab-n-go mount
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Steve Napier
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Hi Darren, You have already had some very good advice in the above posts but,you will quickly realize that a number of binoculars of varying magnifications and apertures will give different results. I agree totally that a 10x50 pair is an excellent choice,infact if I only could choose one pair 10x50 would be my choice.HOWEVER, suppose you take an interest up in Lunar observing,a pair of 20x60 Tentos £100 Approx would give FAR BETTER results than even the very best 10x50 model. You will find that most people on these boards aquire various size binoculars as there binocular CAREERS? progress. THERE IS NO....BEST SIZE! The advice you have been given above is very sound,the 10x50 Nikons will serve you well for a lifetime. Another point worth making I feel is that ALL binoculars no matter how LOW their power will be seen to best advantage when mounted on a tripod,this is particulaly the case for Astronomy where objects are stationary as opposed to on the move eg.Birding. Try looking at the moon with your new 10x50 binoculars with your hands only,then try looking with them rested on a window sill or a tripod,the difference is staggering. Theres a lot to think of when choosing your binoculars and Im sure you will thoroughly enjoy the disscussions on the binocular forum,theres some very knowledgeable and very supportive people on here. I only hope the LANCASHIRE/YORKSHIRE rivalry isnt going to rear its head { Hi Kenny}....WAR OF THE ROSES . Im ok Im from Tyneside. Best wishes, Steve.
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Thanks all for your opinions. It seems you all think I'd need a tripod with the 15x70s. I'd read someone say that they were managing without but I think perhaps he'd only just bought them. I think I'll probably go for the Nikon Action Extremes. It's not really a massive decision at that price so I think I should go and buy them.
I know Tyneside very well Steve. My girlfriend, who I now live with in Yorkshire, used to live in Tynemouth. I was up there nearly every weekend. Great place! Newcastle is vibrant too now with the Quayside development. We're looking to move to Whitby at the moment so we'll be creeping back up there 
thanks Darren
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Steve Napier
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Darren you"re a man of GREAT taste! I promised I would pop into John Lewis and the prices for the Nikon Binoculars are
8x40 £149
10x50 £169
12x50 £ 189
These are a LOT more expensive than the site Kenny mentioned,it pays to shop around.
Darren,I visit Tynemouth often on the Metro,a lovely little place. Whitby is fantastic,I can smell the fesh air already. You"re not far away from very dark skies,its a beautiful area.Good Luck with the move. Steve.
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Anonymous
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Actually it's the 12x50s that Kenny posted and I was looking at. How come they're the same price as the Action 10x50s? As you can see in the links below
http://www.londoncamera.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=133&products_id=1257
http://www.londoncamera.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=133&products_id=1254
Darren
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KennyJ
   
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Darren,
Although it's commonplace to see and expect prices for HIGHER magnification models to be considerably higher , it is not always the case.
From memory , the Pentax XL series cost the same throughout the 50mm range in 10x , 12x and 16x and Orion 80mm models cost the same for 11x , 20 x and 30x.
Apart from the slightly tighter parameters within which binoculars are SUPPOSED be collimated to , there is no justifiable reason in my opinion for any great price increase between any given model and an identical one that has incremental magnification increase of just 2x.
But yes -- their are certainly many examples of this , so you were right to question this.
Regards ,( Red Rose) Kenny :-)
-------------------- If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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Steve Napier
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I would like to know how the 12x50 Nikons are £90 cheaper than the shop I priced them in? Judging by the comments and reviews I would say these binoculars are an absolute steal for that price. Steve.
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Anonymous
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Well, I've ordered them so don't tell London Camera of their error before they're dispatched will you! 
Darren
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Steve Napier
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Im sure you have a real bargain there Darren and I look forward to any comments you may wish to make about them in the future. You do realize it will be cloudy in your neck of the woods for a fortnight now! Steve.
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KennyJ
   
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< You do realize it will be cloudy in your neck of the woods for a fortnight now! >
WHAT ? -- ONLY for a FORTNIGHT ? ! !
More like four MONTHS !
P.S -- I hope not Darren for your sake -- and I REALLY REALLY hope that you like these binos !
Kenny
-------------------- If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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Anonymous
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You got there before me Kenny. I was just about to suggest that if it was only going to be cloudy for the next fortnight my binos must be a good omen! I'm sure I'll like them. Thanks for the help!
Darren
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Anonymous
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Hmmm... I was looking for these.. and came across this instead.
Nikon: 10-22x50 Action Zoom XL http://www.londoncamera.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1255
Look at the price.... you cant get better value than that ;-)
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Tom L
   
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I've never heard of the action zoom before...but since they're free, I'd be willing to try them out!
-------------------- Tom
Tele Vue 102mm f/8.6 on an EzTouch
Vixen 80mm f/5 A80SSWT on a grab-n-go mount
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Anonymous
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Their pricing policy seems generous to say the least. Not sure how long they'll be in business for. Long enough to send out my 12x50s I hope! Although, I feel they were well overpriced now 
Darren
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