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Re: Canon IS binos new [Re: Fiske]
      #186505 - 09/02/04 03:44 AM

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The other high-end 10x50 I've heard about is the Swarovski 10x50 SLC. Have you had the chance to evaluate a pair of these?

The frustrating thing is figuring out how to get your hands on these binos for field evaluation. I'm willing to shell out the bucks, but I can't afford to buy $800 -- $1600 binoculars that often. There is a list of a dozen or so I really want to test.




Fiske,

I know that problem. Most of the time I go to birding fairs to do that.

I did compare the Leica 10x50 Trinovid with that Swarovski and also with 10x56 Zeiss Victory. I posted my results once to the usenet :

here

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Re: Canon IS binos new [Re: BillC]
      #186746 - 09/02/04 12:38 PM

Bill, one of the best posts on the issue I've read in a long time. Especially the comment: "...if they think you will offend one of their advertisers with the truth..." I often hear a lot of atronomy enthusiasts simply regurgitating what they've read in Astro-mag reviews, never stopping to think that they may not be A) the most impartial source of information or B) the most scholarly source of the same.

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Re: Canon IS binos new [Re: ]
      #187031 - 09/02/04 05:44 PM

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Bill, one of the best posts on the issue I've read in a long time. Especially the comment: "...if they think you will offend one of their advertisers with the truth..." I often hear a lot of atronomy enthusiasts simply regurgitating what they've read in Astro-mag reviews, never stopping to think that they may not be A) the most impartial source of information or B) the most scholarly source of the same.




Many thanks for your kind words. Let's address your "or B) the most scholarly source of the same."

We must understand that "scholarly stuff" only sells to scholars and scholar wannabees. In Sky and Telescope you might read 7 pages of complex formulas dealing with quarks, quasars, and other cool stuff starting with the letter "Q." BUT, you can rest assured that if the next article is on binos, it will be replete with the super-basics again: 7x50 means this; eye relief means that. You know: "See Spot run. Spot can run fast."

[I mean no offense to that fine magazine; I have been friends with some of those guys since water was in the experimental stages. It's just that they have to cater to what they believe their market to be. When I ran ATM Journal, I did exactly the same thing.]

This is very frustrating to a guy who wants the average bino guy to know more. However, am I going to spill my proverbial guts without some dollars attached to it. Nope. There is too much at stake. I have to feed my family, too.

And just so that nobody gets the idea they I sit on a pedistal too high to falter, I would like to make it perfectly clear that if I took a job with Bushnell tomorrow, I would become a 100% Bushnell supporter. And, since their highly profitable niche is not based on trying to compete with Zeiss, Leica, etc. my only opportunity to succeed would be to help them be the best they can be within the market that have chosen.

Cheers,

Bill

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Re: Canon IS binos new [Re: BillC]
      #194201 - 09/11/04 04:02 PM

I own the Canon 10x30-IS, the 18x50-IS, and the Fujinon 16x70 FMT-SX. Over many astronomy sessions, I feel comfortable stating that the 18x50-IS are a match for the vaunted 16x70 Fujinons.

In my direct, side-by-side comparison (the Fujis were on a Virgo Astronomics parallelogram mount, the Canons were hand-held), the Canon's higher magnification adds enough contrast and detail to offset the extra light gathering of the Fujinons. But it's not a draw when traveling -- here the Canon's are superior. Smaller, lighter weight, higher magnification, no mount, no customs questions, no undue "local" attention.

I don't often use the 10x30-IS for astronomy, but I have compared their astigmatism to the 18x50 and neither have "gull shaped" or oblong stars, as some have claimed. Terrestrially, the 10x30's are superb. Their brightness, clarity, and field flatness are unsurpassed at 30mm aperture, and do a better job than most 50mm binoculars when factoring in the stability of the view.

The way the Canon 18x50-IS and the Fujinon 16x70 FMT-SX match is interesting. The 18x50-IS shows slightly fewer stars (collects slightly less light), but the contrast is improved over the 16x70s. So for deep space objects, the 18x50-IS catches the faint globulars and nebulas better than the larger Fujinons. The higher magnification increases contrast by darkening the sky. On double stars, they both are wonderful. Same goes with a true flat field view. I have done diffraction ring star testing on both (as much as is possible with the low magnifications), and even with the Image Stabilizing engaged, the in/out of focus patterns are nearly perfect. Stars are perfect dots.

For cruising around the Milky Way, I prefer the Fujinons because they bring out fainter stars. But several times, when I couldn't find a particular extended nebular Messier object in the Fujinons, I reached for the Canon 18x50-IS binoculars and found it quickly.

I get pinpoint stars in both the Fujinons and the Canons. The Canons correct for between +/-0.75 to 1.0 degree of shaking, which is actually a large area at 18x (1/4 of the FOV.) But it does take a few seconds to stabilize after a quick or large-scale movement. Then, stars become dots and all small movements, spiral searches, etc. are perfectly tracked with stars remaining dots.

I end up using the Canon 18x50-IS a lot. They travel with me around the world, and there is no better "grab and go" option in Astronomy having magnification greater than 10x.

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20" Obsession/OMI Mirror/Servocat/Argo Navis
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Re: Canon IS binos new [Re: half meter]
      #194359 - 09/11/04 09:00 PM

Gary:

Thanks for posting your analysis of the Canon 18x50s. I've field tested them in the past and was quite impressed. Although it's not likely to happen in the very near future, I think my next bino purchase will be a pair of 18x50s.

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Re: Canon IS binos new [Re: Fiske]
      #194394 - 09/11/04 10:01 PM

Fiske,

I may be one of the few who owns all three of those particular binoculars mentioned in this thread, so I took the liberty of re-posting much of my original message. Sorry if some of you have read it before.

IMO, the best binoculars are the ones you use most often.

When I say I travel with the Canon 18x50 IS binoculars, I mean it! This summer, I took them on 10 day canoe trip in Canada, and carried them for miles along with my canoe, food, and gear over 28 portages, and weight was a critical factor. I was determined to identify the lightest weight, most portable monopod support I could find for binoculars. I'm happy to report I found it at a cost of $20, and it's unlike any monopod you've seen -- it's a neck monopod. It allows you to hold your binoculars for hours without tiring, a benefit for everyone who hand-holds binoculars, not just for campers. More details here .

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Collins I3 (Thin Film) Image Intensifying Eyepiece
Coronado Maxscope DS 90 <0.5A w/BF30
152 mm f/8 TMB/A&M Carbon Fiber APO; f/5 with 4" Borg ED Field Flattener/Reducer
20" Obsession/OMI Mirror/Servocat/Argo Navis
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Re: Canon IS binos new [Re: half meter]
      #194560 - 09/12/04 05:19 AM

Gary,

I'm glad you posted this.

In a similar way to the notion that a sportsperson is only as good as his or her last game , there is , I feel , a pyschological tendency for people to be left with an opinion of any certain binocular, heavily influenced by the LAST review or comment they've read about it.

To that end , I feel that the Canon 18 x 50 IS has been somewhat misrepresented in recent posts to this forum , and I must admit that I am one of culprits who might be responsible for giving the product unfair "bad press".

BUT -- that said -- I can only comment on the very limited experience I have had personally with the 18 x 50s IS, and that amounts to a few minutes of outdoor checks in bright daylight.

This is a binoculars for ASTRONOMY forum after all.

I started this thread several weeks ago with an upbeat idea of buying myself a Canon IS bino.

That situation remains a distinct possibility at some time in the future.

Thanks to all for making this such a long -running and interesting thread.

Kenny.

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Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
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Re: Canon IS binos new [Re: KennyJ]
      #194574 - 09/12/04 05:47 AM

Ken,

Nit-picking aside - I don't think anyone except the most demanding binocular connoisseur can find much to fault with the Canon IS range. My 10 x 30 IS pair is my main astronomical axe. Most of the time the telescope stays in the house. So I don't think you will be disappointed when you do eventually buy a pair.

Best wishes,

Bruce


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Re: Canon IS binos [Re: ]
      #194582 - 09/12/04 06:38 AM

Thanks Bruce,

All these comments add re -assurance , which we all need from time to time.

Kenny

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Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera


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