jsmithy
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Loc: KC, MO
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Chris,
I look forward to your report. I am waiting on mine.
There are 70 reviews on their website with an average rating of 4.5 out of 5 stars. They have to be fairly decent.
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They have arrived, just unboxed them and took a quick glance through them and the views are quite nice. So nice in fact I am ordering another pair just to have. Hey, $69.00 is a steal for these, I do not care what anybody says...........
Over the weekend I will write up a reveiw of them as I will have the time to really use them etc....
Chris
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EdZ
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There are 70 reviews on their website with an average rating of 4.5 out of 5 stars. They have to be fairly decent.
Most of them are not reviews. They are "I love my xxx, they are the best ever" They really don't tell you anything.
Just a thought.
edz
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drshivas
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Reged: 10/30/07
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Loc: Maryland, USA
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FYI, www.telescopes.com and www.binoculars.com appear to be the same company.
Taking a peek at www.resellerratings.com reveals some recent negative customer feedback.
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Telescopes
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http://www.resellerratings.com/store/binoculars
I personally chose not to make a purchase from this company due to the feedback, ultra low prices and the risk of poor quality control. I'd love to hear points to the contrary.
just my $.02.
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Oberwerk 11x70
GO 15x70 LW
Oberwerk 20x80 Deluxe II
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jsmithy
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Reged: 09/07/07
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Loc: KC, MO
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OK. Review may be to strong a word. Customer's impressions may be more appropriate. Nonetheless, if that many people seem to be happy with them, I'm willing to give them a shot.
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KennyJ
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You know , I can still remember the very first time I saw the name Zhumell -- and my admittedly spontaneous , frivolous decision to publicly remark upon the audio similarity between the words Zhumell and Zoom Hell .
Now I'm beginning to wonder if I really was , with hindsight , as rash and mistaken as I remember being made to feel at that time , or if , by some miracle , that instinctive response was somehow inspired ?
Kenny
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EdZ
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CAUTION.
We have had two people TODAY ( make that THREE) post to this forum and exclaim, I bought (or my friend bought) these Zhumell 20x80 binoculars from telescopes.com, but the alignment is so far off they can't be used.
I would caution anyone thinking about these binoculars to be aware that this condition might exist before you consider purchasing these binoculars. Think twice. You think you are getting a bargain for $69. You may not be getting such a bargain.
For most of our members, this IS NOT a good recommendation. For those of you who want to gamble on a potential problem piece of equipment, go ahead. But You've got to ask yourself, what the heck are you expecting for $69!
edz
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hallelujah
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CAUTION.
Think twice. You think you are getting a bargain for $69. You may not be getting such a bargain.
edz
Back in 1967 I learned, from playing card in the military, that losing my money ($5) was not an enjoyable experience. I have never gambled since.
Perhaps the $69 "bargains" are a learning experience.
Just a thought. 
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Pentax 20x60mm PCF WP II FMC/WP/FP
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JerryZ
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Reged: 10/19/07
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I received my Zhumell 20x80 SuperGiants today and the collimation is T-E-R-R-I-B-L-E. I have to ship them back for an exchange.
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Falcon Birder
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CAUTION.
We have had two people TODAY ( make that THREE) post to this forum and exclaim, I bought (or my friend bought) these Zhumell 20x80 binoculars from telescopes.com, but the alignment is so far off they can't be used.
I would caution anyone thinking about these binoculars to be aware that this condition might exist before you consider purchasing these binoculars. Think twice. You think you are getting a bargain for $69. You may not be getting such a bargain.
For most of our members, this IS NOT a good recommendation. For those of you who want to gamble on a problem piece of equipment, go ahead. But You've got to ask yourself, what the heck are you expecting for $69!
edz
Nod, nod! You pretty much get what you pay for. I have seen too many binoculars below $100 price range. They all fall into the horrible optics category. Those were smaller 40-50mm lens. With 80mm, you would expect spend more than $69 for just one piece of the lens that is used to construct the binocular. That's why a quality binoculars like Oberwerk BT series costs that much. I am saving my $69 for something better.
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mfs4n
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I also just received a pair of mis-collimated Zhumell's. But it didn't take long to get them into perfect collimation. I've been drinking in amazing views of Comet Holmes the last couple of nights. It's unfortunate (but workable) that the problem lies in the weak frame that support the two large optics. The frame bends under force misaligning the two optical trains. This property also makes for an easy "adjustment". It took me about four twists and pulls on the two sides to bring them into collimation using a bright star for reference. Since that time they have remained collimated under normal gentle use. Personally, I'm thrilled that a mere $69 has delivered such a wonderful observing capability.
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EdZ
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The frame bends under force misaligning the two optical trains. This property also makes for an easy "adjustment". It took me about four twists and pulls on the two sides to bring them into collimation using a bright star for reference. Since that time they have remained collimated under normal gentle use.
Oh my word. These are absolutely the WORST qualities you would ever want in an optical instrument housing. And NO, YOU DID NOT COLLIMATE YOUR BINOCULAR. You twisted it until you could see out of it. Frankly, a good quality, even a fair quality instrument, would never allow you to do such a thing.
This is one more testament from an owner that makes me want to SCREAM OUT LOUD, stop buying this stuff, stay away from this stuff, stop recommending this stuff, stop, stop, stop.
edz
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KennyJ
Reged: 04/27/03
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Loc: Lancashire UK
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Ed took the words out of my mouth !
I actually felt unsure as to whether or not it would be wise to pick up on that word collimation again , so soon after the recent debacles , so refrained from mentioning this at first -- but if Ed thinks it's OK to mention that word again in one of HIS posts , then I will too !
If anyone can make binoculars work for them by ANY method or means -- then good luck to them --
-- but PLEASE don't mistake that for an act of PERFECT COLLIMATION -- PLEASE ! :-)
In fact , I propose a new forum rule -- NO member is allowed to use the word COLLIMATION until they have at least 100 posts to their name -- how about that ? :-)
Regards
Kenny
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Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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mark22c
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Reged: 08/12/07
Posts: 343
Loc: cornwall UK
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i am completely astounded although not suprised by some of the remarks made and even if these things are falling apart...the "i bought them so they must be great" seemingly delusional mind set beggers belief! the twistable collimation! is not a good thing
you get what you pay for and you gota live with it, i feel sorry for any one who buys these on anothers recomendations
$69!!!for a 20x80... $1000 for a brand new car??? enjoy 
regards mark 
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Jim Rosenstock
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Hey guys, I have a lightly-used pair of 20X80s for sale for only $45. And that includes shipping, and a free rubber mallet for adjusting the collimation!
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mark22c
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Reged: 08/12/07
Posts: 343
Loc: cornwall UK
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if you fill em with sand/lead shot i'll buy em for a door stop... if anyone else wants to sell there's i'd have a pair and could use em for novelty bookends! mind you at $69 new thats not a bad price for a novelty binocular shaped bookend
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Falcon Birder
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I received my Zhumell 20x80 SuperGiants today and the collimation is T-E-R-R-I-B-L-E. I have to ship them back for an exchange.
I hope they cover the return shipping charge because of the quality
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arowana
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I also just received a pair of mis-collimated Zhumell's. But it didn't take long to get them into perfect collimation. I've been drinking in amazing views of Comet Holmes the last couple of nights. It's unfortunate (but workable) that the problem lies in the weak frame that support the two large optics. The frame bends under force misaligning the two optical trains. This property also makes for an easy "adjustment". It took me about four twists and pulls on the two sides to bring them into collimation using a bright star for reference. Since that time they have remained collimated under normal gentle use. Personally, I'm thrilled that a mere $69 has delivered such a wonderful observing capability.
Congrat's on the Binoc's. I am glad it was easy for you to fix the problem. I have a pair on the way and hope they are as easy to fix as yours was if mine arrives mis-collimated,mis-aligned,mis-configured or whatever it's called this week.
CS's
Joey
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OvidiuDanut
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Reged: 09/25/07
Posts: 126
Loc: Romania
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Well, for the price if they can be adjusted somehow to get clear views its fine with me. I perfectly understand Edz's professional point of view, but still these are 20x80 FMC binoculars selling for 69 bucks.
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stargazertony
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Reged: 09/25/07
Posts: 195
Loc: CA.
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Hmm I geuss this isn't a place for me to talk about binoculars. I have the Barska 20x80s and guess I was lucky and got a good pair that work really well but when I here the rude comments about door stops, book ends, and other things well Its just time for me to move on. I understand that some persons cant afford much more and maybe this is their only option but to mock them is just wrong. I have learned alot in this forum but I,m gonna just gonna stick with the reflector forum from now on. I know it no loss to you because Im a newbie with cheap binoculars. I think its time for me to spend more time observing and less time sitting here listening about my lousy sub $100.00 binoculars. Yes one day I will spend $1000.00 or more on a nice set of binoculars because I have now decided I really like to observe with binoculars and my Cheap binoculars showed me that and that in my eyes makes them worth more than what I paid for them!
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12.5" Discovery PDHQ Dob."Aldebaran"
4" Mak w/Stellarvue Dielectric Diag.
20x80 Barska Binoculars Mounted
7X35 Simmons Wide Field Binoculars
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mark22c
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Reged: 08/12/07
Posts: 343
Loc: cornwall UK
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im sorry you find my comments rude! i dont have a lot af cash to spend due to being egged on and encouraged to by cheap naff bins by others who said they were good, with all the cash i've waisted on several pairs of cheap bins i could have bought one good set had i been a little patient. as it is im stuck with the ones i have and im not happy...i could sell them for a fraction of what i paid and start again i suppose but what a waste of money.
i expect more will leave binocular astronomy if these things are there only disapointing reference. a few dollers more would buy a reasonably good set of 10x50's which imho would give more pleasure if thats all you can afford
im just trying to stop you guys making the same mistakes i made ... an its falling on deaf ears i give up!
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