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How can I align an older pair of binocs?
      #1949897 - 10/31/07 01:05 AM

I currently have a pair of binoculars for sale in the shop & Swap. They are Carl Zeiss Jena Jentoplem 8x30W's and are in excellent condition. They need a slight vertical alignment and I need to know how I can do this before I sell them.
Does ANYBODY know?...I can always take them to a shop owner I know close by....he told me he can align them for $45.00 and I am willing to pay that before they get sold...OR do them myself. I pretty much know I have to remove the eyelenses to get to the prisms...but that's as far as I know.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: How can I align an older pair of binocs? new [Re: Markus]
      #1949971 - 10/31/07 01:49 AM

try banging them the way they need to go?

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Re: How can I align an older pair of binocs? new [Re: camvan]
      #1950043 - 10/31/07 03:06 AM

SOMEBODY must know.

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Re: How can I align an older pair of binocs? new [Re: Markus]
      #1950059 - 10/31/07 03:29 AM

Markus ,

If you don't mind my saying so , your self confessed " need to know HOW " worries me slightly ! :-)

If your local shop owner really is willing and CAPABLE of carrying out the work for you for $45 -- then I would elect to pay that rather than risk making matters worse as a result of satisfying any sudden urge for D.I.Y activity .

That is to say -- it seems a rather odd , if not unwise occasion , upon which to start practicing a thing like this !

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Re: How can I align an older pair of binocs? new [Re: KennyJ]
      #1950068 - 10/31/07 03:46 AM

I would take them to your local shop and have them done there. If your local shop owner can do them for $45.00 and if he is an expert then thats what I would do.

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Re: How can I align an older pair of binocs? new [Re: Andy42420]
      #1950198 - 10/31/07 06:47 AM

there are a number of reasons for your bins being out of collimation, they may have been dropped shifting the prisms, they may have been taken apart again shifting the prisms or the objective bells have not been put back on the right sides, if concentric rings are used for alignment turning the objective bells or replaceing them on the wrong side or not tightning them as they were when originaly aligned will put them out. miss aligned eyepeices will put them out too as will a loose hinge.
sell them as is and be honest (let the new owner sort them) or get them repaired profesionaly is the best advice your going to get

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Re: How can I align an older pair of binocs? new [Re: mark22c]
      #1950868 - 10/31/07 01:06 PM

There can be a big difference between being repaired "Professionally" and being repaired "accurately." I know I'll get yelled at for being that blunt . . . again. But the truth doesn't take a back seat to pretty opinions and most of the qualified techs are either dead, disinterested or retired.

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Re: How can I align an older pair of binocs? new [Re: BillC]
      #1950901 - 10/31/07 01:19 PM

Bill, why is it that every time someone asks about aligning binoculars that you assume nobody but yourself can fix them? There are millions of people in this world and I would think that there are a lot out of those millions that can fix binoculars.
How do you know that most qualified techs are dead, disintegrated or retired? Did you take a consensus around the world?

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Re: How can I align an older pair of binocs? new [Re: Markus]
      #1950919 - 10/31/07 01:25 PM

oh dear

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Re: How can I align an older pair of binocs? new [Re: mark22c]
      #1950970 - 10/31/07 01:47 PM

it would seem once you open a pair of bins its open season for dust fairies, grease goblins and smudge sprites! you'll also release a strange invisible gas that has an emidiate affect on the brain and eye rendering you completly inept yet strangly confident in your abilities! the only way to get around these mystical aberations is known to very few

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Re: How can I align an older pair of binocs? new [Re: mark22c]
      #1951008 - 10/31/07 02:01 PM

Well, with all of the great ways of telling me how to re-align the binocs, I twisted one of the objectives and the alignment is now tolerable without eyestrain. I'll be letting these go a bit cheaper now.


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Re: How can I align an older pair of binocs? new [Re: Markus]
      #1951035 - 10/31/07 02:19 PM

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Bill, why is it that every time someone asks about aligning binoculars that you assume nobody but yourself can fix them? There are millions of people in this world and I would think that there are a lot out of those millions that can fix binoculars.
How do you know that most qualified techs are dead, disintegrated or retired? Did you take a consensus around the world?




That is a very fair and righteous question.

I can't say it is long overdue, because I have answered the SAME question in quite some DETAIL several times on this list. It also brings up one of the main reasons the situation exists—people want instant answers and seemingly have no time for READING or STUDYING or REMEMBERING what they have read.

The second point is that after 37 years in this business, I have some idea of who knows what. I have also hired a number of “professionals” who didn’t know which end was up and did not stay here long. I also know I have done work for several binocular “repair shops.” In 1990, The New York Times ran an article on this world-class binocular repair shop they had in their midst . . . complete with photos. Cory Suddarth (who worked with me at the time) and I had a good laugh, because we had just opened a box of binocular repair projects from those highly praised experts in New York City. You see, the average consumer does not always know the whole story; they just think they do.

You may ALSO note—that even recently—I have pointed out how much work from this list I have turned away and how many FREE projects I have done on my own time for its members!! So, please sir, explain to me—and the other members of this list—how I am benefiting myself in any way by turning work away and doing freebees on my own time. If you can make that point with these readers, you will have my undying respect, whereas right now you are just throwing stones based on what you THINK should be logical.

When you get to the bottom of the whole thing, I think you will find, as many others have, that bill Cook cares for the consumer and tries as hard as possible to not only save them from unscrupulous “manufacturers” and THEMSELVES. The latter being much harder since so many people CLING to erroneous information simply because they want to believe it, and, Heaven forbid, they allow themselves to be proven wrong in public.

Do you wish to prove me wrong, by showing me the world is full of freelancers who really KNOW the non-secrets of collimating binoculars—the EXACT concepts of which I have posted (bullet format) on this list—twice? PLEASE DO. I beg you. Before I die, I would like to know that there are 20 super pros scattered all across America. However, cheap talk, speculation and wishful thinking is not going to make it so!

Oh, I KNOW that you and others can be convinced. But that is because you don’t know what is involved. You see, the trick in marketing is having a big name on the side of the building and the ability to act like you know what you’re talking about while nurturing the ability to “lie through your teeth.”

One repair manager, while playing politician, asked me what I thought was wrong with some of the “repairs” his people were doing for me, because the customer wanted them to be “Factory Serviced”. And I told him honestly: “Because your people don’t speak in English, think in English, or know how to collimate binoculars.” With that honest assessment, I lost a friend of ten years. However, two weeks later a co-worker VERIFIED the very things I had said.

Ah, you say, it can’t be true. Life is tough in the consumer optics world. Have you not noticed that companies are dropping like flies and being bought out rapidly, with more and more work now going to China. Have you not been reading about how many models are being exported under MANY different names? Perhaps not. That’s probably why poor EdZ has to explain over, and over, and over again that THIS binocular is also THAT binocular, and THAT binocular, and THAT binocular, and THAT binocular, only to have the same stupid “This vs. That” question pop up twice on the same list the NEXT DAY!! People either don’t get it, don’t WANT to get it, or can’t grasp the concept that all opinions are NOT equal! The truth is so powerful it does not have to “play fair.”

In the 60’s, many drug users jumped of cliffs, and bridges and buildings, thoroughly convinced they could fly. But guess what physics lesson awaited them seconds later!? Fair? The truth has no room for fairness that doesn’t involve itself.

I have tried several times to give away a $100.00 bill or a NEW bino and case to certain individuals who thought they could prove me wrong about any number of things. So, I will be fair and offer that to you.

I will send you a binocular that is out of alignment (I will pay the shipping) and you or one of your myriad binocular experts can collimate it for you. Then, package it well and send it to me. I will open it up while being filmed and flip the switch on my collimator, and show you what it looks like. I will also PHOTOGRAPH the results and post them on this site.

IF THE INSTRUMENT IS COLLIMATED WITHIN THE OLD JTII STANDARDS, YOU WILL GET THE WATERPROOF, LONG EYERELIEF, RUGGED KUNMING M8 BINOCULAR I HAVE BEEN TRYING SO HARD TO GIVE AWAY.

Finally, I will make you another offer lest you esteem me as your enemy. If you make arrangements to visit my shop, I will take you to lunch and chat about concepts and then take you back to the shop and spend FOUR HOURS with you, TEACHING you all you need to know about collimating some of the most popular binoculars in the world. That’s $800 bucks worth of training, a free lunch and the basis for a brand new CAREER. All Free!! Not bad, huh. And when you leave you will also know that regardless of whether people want to believe me or not I do not make things up as I go, just because many others on these lists do.

Kindest Regards,

Bill

P.S. And even after making you what I felt was a kind offer you called me sarcastic, simply because I see things differently. If you think I’m really sarcastic, I would as you to PM KennyJ, EdZ, pcad, Johnno, Hallelujah, JOAD and others.

And as for as you concern about my “arrogance,” you can ask others about my unbridled arrogance, too. I think when you get to the bottom of things, you may be surprised. If not, I will respect your right to feel that way.

My life is busy. I don’t have time to come here to win a popularity contest. Never have, never will, don’t have to. Thus, whether you believe me or not, makes no difference. But, you have my word that I hit hard for an HONORABLY reason. My loss of respect matters not. What does matter is that people may go away hating me, but knowing more about the realities of consumer optics than they did before they had the misfortune to meet me.

And as for the “TIP” you asked for. I’ve already posted it TWICE along with the fact that what most people on this list call “collimation” is not, and that without the right tools and understanding they will not achieve it. I humbly ask, what more can I do?

Bless you; I’ll go sharpen my horns now and crawl back in my hole.

Cheers,

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Re: How can I align an older pair of binocs? new [Re: BillC]
      #1951177 - 10/31/07 03:24 PM

For a Chief so called Opticalman I didn't get ANY tips, only sarcasm.

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Re: How can I align an older pair of binocs? new [Re: Markus]
      #1951330 - 10/31/07 04:32 PM

To All:

My snotty comments (#1951035) were supposed to come AFTER Markus's snotty comment (#1951177)

Sorry 'bout that.

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Re: How can I align an older pair of binocs? new [Re: BillC]
      #1951381 - 10/31/07 04:50 PM



This thread caused me to go look up a couple of other threads, one of which I had missed previously. My trouble is, I don't have to refer to the information often and it goes stale after a while in the cobwebby corners of my brain. I even forget where to look for info sometimes.

At any rate, there are some threads in here with a true "wealth" of information in them. I should probably round them up and save them on my hard drive to make them easier to find again. Even though I regard the Binocular forum as the most well orgainized, it has gotten so big that finding just the right thread can take a while.
Anyway, that's my excuse for sometimes asking a question that has been more than adequately answered before.

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Re: How can I align an older pair of binocs? new [Re: BillC]
      #1951441 - 10/31/07 05:15 PM

There are many things I could write right now that would make readers seriously question if the person I was describing ( truly and honestly ) could possibly be the same person responsible for posting at least two of the previous ten posts to this thread -- but feel it neither appropriate nor necessary to even risk causing any personal embarrassment to ANYONE .

I would like anyone who may happen to be reading this , though , to consider the following :

If binoculars can be TRULY collimated WITHOUT equipment costing THOUSANDS of dollars -- then why was such equipment ever designed and manufactured in the first place , and why would ANY organisation , such as the US NAVY , for example , spend so much money on such equipment ?

Answers please on a post card to :

Optical Myths Competition
Collimation House
Alignment Avenue
Cook Islands

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Helios 15 x 70 Observation
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Re: How can I align an older pair of binocs? new [Re: dgs©]
      #1951505 - 10/31/07 05:41 PM

Quote:

That is a very fair and righteous question.

I can't say it is long overdue, because I have answered the SAME question in quite some DETAIL several times on this list. It also brings up one of the main reasons the situation exists—people want instant answers and seemingly have no time for READING or STUDYING or REMEMBERING what they have read.

The second point is that after 37 years in this business, I have some idea of who knows what. I have also hired a number of “professionals” who didn’t know which end was up and did not stay here long. I also know I have done work for several binocular “repair shops.” In 1990, The New York Times ran an article on this world-class binocular repair shop they had in their midst . . . complete with photos. Cory Suddarth (who worked with me at the time) and I had a good laugh, because we had just opened a box of binocular repair projects from those highly praises experts in New York City. You see, the average consumer does not always know the whole story; they just think they do.

You may ALSO note—that even recently—I have pointed out how much work from this list I have turned away and how many FREE projects I have done on my own time for its members!! So, please sir, explain to me—and the other members of this list—how I am benefiting myself in any way by turning work away and doing freebees on my own time. If you can make that point with these readers, you will have my undying respect, whereas right now you are just throwing stones based on what you THINK should be logical.

When you get to the bottom of the whole thing, I think you will find, as many others have, that bill Cook cares for the consumer and tries as hard as possible to not only save them from unscrupulous “manufacturers” and THEMSELVES. The latter being much harder since so many people CLING to erroneous information simply because they want to believe it, and, Heaven forbid, they allow themselves to be proven wrong in public.

Do you wish to prove me wrong, by showing me the world is full of freelancers who really KNOW the non-secrets of collimating binoculars—the EXACT concepts of which I have posted (bullet format) on this list—twice? PLEASE DO. I beg you. Before I die, I would like to know that there are 20 super pros scattered all across America. However, cheap talk, speculation and wishful thinking is not going to make it so!

Oh, I KNOW that you and others can be convinced. But that is because you don’t know what is involved. You see, the trick in marketing is having a big name on the side of the building and the ability to act like you know what you’re talking about while nurturing the ability to “lie through your teeth.”

One repair manager, while playing politician, asked me what I thought was wrong with some of the “repairs” his people were doing for me, because the customer wanted them to be “Factory Serviced”. And I told him honestly: “Because your people don’t speak in English, think in English, or know how to collimate binoculars.” With that honest assessment, I lost a friend of ten years. However, two weeks later a co-worker VERIFIED the very things I had said.

Ah, you say, it can’t be true. Life is tough in the consumer optics world. Have you not noticed that companies are dropping like flies and being bought out rapidly, with more and more work now going to China. Have you not been reading about how many models are being exported under MANY different names? Perhaps not. That’s probably why poor EdZ has to explain over, and over, and over again that THIS binocular is also THAT binocular, and THAT binocular, and THAT binocular, and THAT binocular, only to have the same stupid “This vs. That” question pop up twice on the same list the NEXT DAY!! People either don’t get it, don’t WANT to get it, or can’t grasp the concept that all opinions are NOT equal! The truth is so powerful it does not have to “play fair.”

In the 60’s, many drug users jumped of cliffs, and bridges and buildings, thoroughly convinced they could fly. But guess what physics lesson awaited them seconds later!? Fair? The truth has no room for fairness that doesn’t involve itself.

I have tried several times to give away a $100.00 bill or a NEW bino and case to certain individuals who thought they could prove me wrong about any number of things. So, I will be fair and offer that to you.

I will send you a binocular that is out of alignment (I will pay the shipping) and you or one of your myriad binocular experts can collimate it for you. Then, package it well and send it to me. I will open it up while being filmed and flip the switch on my collimator, and show you what it looks like. I will also PHOTOGRAPH the results and post them on this site.

IF THE INSTRUMENT IS COLLIMATED WITHIN THE OLD JTII STANDARDS, YOU WILL GET THE WATERPROOF, LONG EYERELIEF, RUGGED KUNMING M8 BINOCULAR I HAVE BEEN TRYING SO HARD TO GIVE AWAY.

Finally, I will make you another offer lest you esteem me as your enemy. If you make arrangements to visit my shop, I will take you to lunch and chat about concepts and then take you back to the shop and spent FOUR HOURS with you, TEACHING you all you need to know about collimating some of the most popular binoculars in the world. That’s $800 bucks worth of training, a free lunch and the basis for a brand new CAREER. All Free!! Not bad, huh. And when you leave you will also know that regardless of whether people want to believe me or not I do not make things up as I go, just because many others on these lists do.

Kindest Regards,

Bill

P.S. And even after making you what I felt was a kind offer you called me sarcastic, simply because I see things differently. If you think I’m really sarcastic, I would as you to PM KennyJ, EdZ, pcad, Johnno, Hallelujah, JOAD and others.

And as for as you concern about my “arrogance,” you can ask others about my unbridled arrogance, too. I think when you get to the bottom of things, you may be surprised. If not, I will respect your right to feel that way.

My life is busy. I don’t have time to come here to win a popularity contest. Never have, never will, don’t have to. Thus, whether you believe me or not, makes no difference. But, you have my word that I hit hard for an HONORABLY reason. My loss of respect matters not. What does matter is that people may go away hating me, but knowing more about the realities of consumer optics than they did before they had the misfortune to meet me.

And as for the “TIP” you asked for. I’ve already posted it TWICE along with the fact that what most people on this list call “collimation” is not, and that without the right tools and understanding they will not achieve it. I humbly ask, what more can I do?

Bless you; I’ll go sharpen my horns now and crawl back in my hole.

Cheers,

Bill




I'm fully aware that many brands of binocs that look the same and function the same are made in diff places, yet they have a diff name. As for READING about aligning bioculars, I DID in fact look on the internet.

Quote:

Do you wish to prove me wrong, by showing me the world is full of freelancers who really KNOW the non-secrets of collimating binoculars—the EXACT concepts of which I have posted (bullet format) on this list—twice? PLEASE DO. I beg you. Before I die, I would like to know that there are 20 super pros scattered all across America. However, cheap talk, speculation and wishful thinking is not going to make it so!




Prove me WRONG there is nobody capable that can collimate binoculars. Cheap talk? Speculation? wishful thinking? show me where I was speculating Bill? I find it humorous that you think you know everything Bill, this is why I said you were arrogant, and boy you are.

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I will send you a binocular that is out of alignment (I will pay the shipping) and you or one of your myriad binocular experts can collimate it for you. Then, package it well and send it to me. I will open it up while being filmed and flip the switch on my collimator, and show you what it looks like. I will also PHOTOGRAPH the results and post them on this site.

IF THE INSTRUMENT IS COLLIMATED WITHIN THE OLD JTII STANDARDS, YOU WILL GET THE WATERPROOF, LONG EYERELIEF, RUGGED KUNMING M8 BINOCULAR I HAVE BEEN TRYING SO HARD TO GIVE AWAY.




I do know somebody that WILL collimate binoculars at a store I go to, and he will charge a sum of roughly $45.00-$55.00 to do it so that the images are merged, so please do send me some binocs that need fixing Bill.

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P.S. And even after making you what I felt was a kind offer you called me sarcastic, simply because I see things differently. If you think I’m really sarcastic, I would as you to PM KennyJ, EdZ, pcad, Johnno, Hallelujah, JOAD and others.

And as for as you concern about my “arrogance,” you can ask others about my unbridled arrogance, too. I think when you get to the bottom of things, you may be surprised. If not, I will respect your right to feel that way.

My life is busy. I don’t have time to come here to win a popularity contest. Never have, never will, don’t have to. Thus, whether you believe me or not, makes no difference. But, you have my word that I hit hard for an HONORABLY reason. My loss of respect matters not. What does matter is that people may go away hating me, but knowing more about the realities of consumer optics than they did before they had the misfortune to meet me.

And as for the “TIP” you asked for. I’ve already posted it TWICE along with the fact that what most people on this list call “collimation” is not, and that without the right tools and understanding they will not achieve it. I humbly ask, what more can I do?

Bless you; I’ll go sharpen my horns now and crawl back in my hole.

Cheers,

Bill




That "sarcastic" comment was made most likely at the same time you replied and your comment made it to the forum first. There's really no need to post such a long, drawn-out reply to what I said was true.

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Re: How can I align an older pair of binocs? new [Re: Markus]
      #1951516 - 10/31/07 05:47 PM

Just in case,

play nice, needs no reply, let it slide, enough now

seem to be words that come to mind.

Bill, down boy.

edz

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Re: How can I align an older pair of binocs? new [Re: EdZ]
      #1951578 - 10/31/07 06:19 PM

Bill is down, EdZ:

I see nothing wrong with a kind heartfelt reply, and I have GREAT news for all like Markus.

I am leaving the list today—possibly for good . . . listen to the cheers!

I will pop back up next Halloween, just to see how things are going. If the old timers have grown as tired of the instant optical knowledge as I have, they will be monitoring their own territory. If, in my three years here I have made no sense, then I have no need to be here anyway, because I obvious have had no effect in trying to get people to understand that information doesn’t have to be wrong or bad because it doesn’t match what others have come to believe.

Most of all, while I have said that I didn’t come here for myself, I want to prove it to me. Because I feel I am here to put a stop to the kind of people that Markus thinks I am. Most of you know it’s a game, but Markus was obviously offended.

Sadly, I am in trouble again for knowing what I am talking about. And since I don’t have time to dance around clear -cut issues, I will just walk away.

I am saddened by Markus not being willing to back up his views by taking advantage of my offers, but then, how many times have we seen that happen with various people over the last 3 years!?

Finally, and most sadly, I have tried to convince people that there are very few people who know how to truly collimate binoculars these days. I have given examples of clueless companies that are interested in binos only as a commodity. But while I stand by every word, because I KNOW it to be true, there will always be those who take offense at the truth. We all WANT to believe in Santa!

Ladies and gentleman, the situation is dire and getting worse each month. If some folks don’t start recognizing the truth and start asking some hard questions of the industry, bino lovers, as a whole, will be in for some sad times in the near future.

I bless you again, Markus.

And Ed, will you kindly pull my ability to get onto the list?

Good look to all; it’s been great.

Cheers,

Bill

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Re: How can I align an older pair of binocs? new [Re: Markus]
      #1951666 - 10/31/07 06:54 PM

deleted out of respect

Edited by EdZ (10/31/07 07:04 PM)


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