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Worth repair -or- ignore and live with... new
      #1951399 - 10/31/07 04:57 PM

My 10x50 Orion Ultraviews have what looks to be a small shaving of aluminum (or other metal) on the inside surface of one of the objectives. It is rather small (I'll try to post a picture later), and so far, hasn't really been bothersome to me. That is to say, I only notice it when I look at the objective and see this bit of silver peering back at me.

Given the price of these binoculars, I'm not sure it's worth the cost of shipping them off and paying to have the offending bit removed. It's not like they are super fantastic binoculars... I think of them as middle of the road, decent at that price binoculars.



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Re: Worth repair -or- ignore and live with... new [Re: dgs©]
      #1951445 - 10/31/07 05:16 PM

The objective cones of the ultraview will screw off. just be very careful to not cross thread when screwing back on.

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Re: Worth repair -or- ignore and live with... new [Re: dgs©]
      #1951447 - 10/31/07 05:18 PM

what is the problem?

they work,
the shaving donot interfear with using,
doesnot seem to be getting worse

ignore and live with until they start interfearing with view, then fix or replace

unless, it is big enough to damage optics

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Re: Worth repair -or- ignore and live with... new [Re: edwincjones]
      #1951465 - 10/31/07 05:25 PM

edz's suggestion seems better than mine

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Re: Worth repair -or- ignore and live with... new [Re: edwincjones]
      #1951493 - 10/31/07 05:36 PM

David ,

Although the shaving is not presently causing any problem --there may come a time when it could .

Thus , if you can access and carefully remove the offending article after simply unscrewing the objective cell -- then do so -- then carefully screw back on the objective cell .

If not -- then I doubt if it would be worth paying a REAL professional to remove it .

Kenny

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Re: Worth repair -or- ignore and live with... new [Re: KennyJ]
      #1951757 - 10/31/07 07:42 PM

If you are like me I like my optics to be pristine and whilst it may not cause any image problems - the thought that is is there would be annoying and bug me.
When ever you use them you will 'know' its there.
Remove it !.

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Re: Worth repair -or- ignore and live with... new [Re: charen]
      #1951901 - 10/31/07 08:31 PM

but sometimes you do more damage removing the offending object than by leaving it

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Re: Worth repair -or- ignore and live with... new [Re: edwincjones]
      #1951932 - 10/31/07 08:39 PM

If it doesn't interfere with the view and it is not "rattling" around then I would leave it be, unless it is hanging by a thread and sure to come loose soon, only then would I remove it.

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Re: Worth repair -or- ignore and live with... new [Re: Markus]
      #1952724 - 11/01/07 06:08 AM

Is the piece of metal actually in between the two lenses of the objective, or is it on the 'outside' (prism side) face of the inside objective lens?

Is it rattling around or is it 'sticking' in place? If it's moving around I'd worry about it scratching the objective or prism face or the coatings. But if it's stuck in place, then it won't be doing any damage and won't be affecting the view (other than aesthetics!), so it would be safer to just leave it.

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Re: Worth repair -or- ignore and live with... new [Re: patter1]
      #1952896 - 11/01/07 08:54 AM

It appears to be stuck to the back side of the objective lens. Could be between I suppose... I don't know how the elements stack up in there. I had assumed there was a cemented doublet at the front but no reason it couldn't be air spaced - or in this case, metal shaving spaced .

The shaving is well out from the perimeter and doesn't seem to be interested in moving, but it wasn't there before so it obviously can move. That probably is more worrisome than anything... the potential for it to roam around and scratch up some coatings.

I still need to get a photo and post it, just for general edification of all who pass by this thread.

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Re: Worth repair -or- ignore and live with... new [Re: dgs©]
      #1953251 - 11/01/07 12:00 PM

Most probably that small shaving of aluminium is a bit sticky. If you try to remove it from the lens surface then possibly there will be need to clean the lens. In that case it would be better to remove the objective cup from the barrel and not the whole barrel. However I don't know if this is possible in your binocular.

Take in count that the thread of the objective cup (as well as that one of the barrel) is probably not very precisely machined, thus collimation should be checked after reassembling it.

I would give a name to the shaving and would live with it.

Claudio

Edited by Claudio (11/01/07 12:51 PM)


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Re: Worth repair -or- ignore and live with... [Re: Claudio]
      #1953417 - 11/01/07 01:13 PM

Quote:

Take in count that the thread of the objective cup (as well as that one of the barrel) is probably not very precisely machined, thus collimation should be checked after reassembling it.



That's pretty much what I've been thinking all along.

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Hand-me-down Sears Refractor (Discoverer) 60mm×900mm



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