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charen
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Hi ! quick question - I acquired these 'almost new' binos but after some more testing find them mildly mis-collimated - they display mild 'cats eyes' on the right barrel.
Can they be adjusted via a screw under the rubber prism housing as some other large binos can be ?
Just want to know prior to me destroying the rubber covering !
Thanks for any quick replies.
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Edited by charen (11/01/07 01:36 AM)
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Markus
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Yep, you sure can. I also had a pair of 15x70 Skymasters and lined 'em up good after turning a screw underneath the rubber covering. Just make sure to turn the screw ever so slightly and keep checking how the images appear in them.
http://www.oberwerk.com/support/collimate.htm
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KennyJ
   
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Charen ,
As you will have seen from those instructions , all you really need to collimate any binocular is a jeweller's screwdriver and a view of a house with a pitched roof window .
I believe that each of the US armed forces have ordered three dozen of each , so their staff can collimate their own binoculars in future .
Slightly more seriously though , I didn't see any mention of cat's eyes exit - pupils in those instructions , whereas at least in EdZ's article on this website about D.I.Y alignment , he rightly points out the importance of that condition .
In summary , though , it may help to conditionally align if you make sure you are adjusting the right screw(s) -- and don't forget , if the Skymasters are anything like the ones my friend briefly owned , the process may need repeating every time you accidentally tap your brow against the eyecups !
Good luck Kenny
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charen
scholastic sledgehammer
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Thank you found it and adjusted. 90% better - still some very mild mis-collimated. Will fine tune over the next few days. However did some initial night time testing - umm.. internal reflections on bright objects and edge distortion is notable . On axis stars are reasonably sharp - not the best binos but then again not the worst - U get what you pay for !
Thanks.
Edited by charen (11/01/07 04:06 AM)
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EdZ
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Well, Oberwerk has provided the bare minimum of instruction on conditional alignment, but really has not explained completely what is going on when you start turning prisms screws. Frankly, people who think they are collimating binoculars when they start messing with prism screws are just a bit less than completely informed. While I wouldn't say do not use the instructions on Oberwerk's website (they are better than some I've seen), I would add, those instructions describe conditional alignment AND they leave some information out of the discussion and it is easily possible that anyone referring to those instuctions could end up in far worse condition than when they started.
The most common error made by individuals attempting their own adjustment is turning the wrong screw (there are 4 screws, Oberwerk doesn't even mention that, nor do most other articles on "collimation", even another article that has been published here on Cloudy Nights for 5 years now). The end result, as Kenny pointed out, can be a conditionally aligned image, but at the expense of having moved the wrong one of four prisms, resulting in a severely tilted prism, which gives the cat's eye image. I've seen binoculars that have been user "collimated" by adjusting the wrong prisms, and while the user did indeed merge the misaligned images, the user also effectively cut off about 30%-40% of all the light entering thru one barrel.
The common end-user does not have any of the equipment required to do a real collimation procedure on any type of binocular. That is an age-old argument we've had here many times and it is fully documented with several years of explanation. However, people still mistakenly use the term, most often because they do not understand the difference between true collimation and conditional alignment, nor do they care to take the time to learn. The industry doesn't help matters much by constantly referring to the process by using the wrong term.
If you want to understand collimation and the equipment used to collimate binoculars, I would suggest you pick up a copy of "Basic Optics and Optical Instruments", Carson, Fred A., Dover Publishing 1997, 1989; a book prepared by the Naval Education and Training Program Development Center.
Please refer to this article for a more in-depth discussion of "conditional alignment", which is the process the end-user has available to correct any mis-alignment between the objectives.
“Collimating” Binoculars
edz
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Markus
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Ed is correct, just follow his link for more detail and better info.
Cheers
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danielgolite
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My 15x70 SkyMasters were close in collimation but just off a bit. I adjusted the prism screws very little and the images are now merged for me. I used an eyeglass screwdriver. I found it helpful to have a good light source when doing this and to note the position of the screw before doing anything. The less you mess with the screws, the better. For me, the rubber covering just snapped back and I didn't even have to use any glue to hold it back in place. I mounted the binocs on a tripod to check the adjustment and used a single bright star to check for double images. Is it Edz who wrote that helpful in-depth article on adjusting the prism screws? (Thanks Edz!)
I've owned my SkyMasters for exactly one year and, unlike some astro products I've purchased over the years, the SkyMasters have exceeded my expectations. I am still amazed at how well the Pleiades look through these! The Moon, Jupiter's moons, and a variety of open clusters, double stars, and other deep sky objects have all been favorite targets I've viewed. Add to that now Comet Holmes!
For me astronomy with binoculars is so much quicker and easier than setting up a telescope. The SkyMasters have swayed me not to get a small refractor and I may use the money I've saved instead on a pair of Fuji 16x70's. Right now though, I'm not sure. I'm still enjoying the SkyMasters.
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Markus
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Quote:
My 15x70 SkyMasters were close in collimation but just off a bit. I adjusted the prism screws very little and the images are now merged for me. I used an eyeglass screwdriver. I found it helpful to have a good light source when doing this and to note the position of the screw before doing anything. The less you mess with the screws, the better. For me, the rubber covering just snapped back and I didn't even have to use any glue to hold it back in place. I mounted the binocs on a tripod to check the adjustment and used a single bright star to check for double images. Is it Edz who wrote that helpful in-depth article on adjusting the prism screws? (Thanks Edz!)
I too adjusted my 15x70 Skymasters after buying them at a local store here. I just tweaked one of the screws and had the alignment was right on the money. I only took the 15x70 Skymasters back to buy the 25x100's I now have in place of them.
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For me astronomy with binoculars is so much quicker and easier than setting up a telescope. The SkyMasters have swayed me not to get a small refractor and I may use the money I've saved instead on a pair of Fuji 16x70's. Right now though, I'm not sure. I'm still enjoying the SkyMasters.
I too have found that astronomy with binoculars is much easier then setting up a telescope. I've had my 25x100's out 7 nights in a row looking at Comet holmes and lots of other goodies in the sky.
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