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michiel
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canon IS15x50 versus 18x50
      #201229 - 09/20/04 05:04 PM

hello you out there,After writing several reviews I am entering slowly the forum business. I am looking for a nice pair of stabilised binocs. Can anyone advise me which one is better for deep sky sweeping at 5.0 to 6.1 mag skies, the 15x50 or the 18x50?. Does anyone have experience with the (very expensive) Zeiss 20x60?

regards michiel from holland
10x70 pollux, 25x100 apogees, 154mm f10 achromat,tak sky 90, orion optics 300mm F4 newton, zeiss baader binoviewer with lots of eyepieces and filters.

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questar 3.5
12" F5.3 truss dob (on dark holiday location in france)
17.5" F4.57 split tube discovery dob on order
TMB 203/9 Achro (godzilla) on G41 with FS2
antares 127mmF6.45 refractor on eq6 skyscan or altazimuth vixen custom d mount
Aries Chromacorr O1
baader widefield binoviewer (27mm prisms)
25/40x100 45 degrees chinese border patrol binos
15x50 canon IS
10x70 vintage bino
25x100 apogee binos
50mm F18 brass
8x30 opticron mono (not really for astronomy)


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Re: canon IS15x50 versus 18x50 new [Re: michiel]
      #201253 - 09/20/04 05:53 PM

Michiel,

I cannot answer your question directly , having used neither of the two models you specified for astronomy.

What I can say is "Welcome to Cloudy Nights bino forum" and I strongly advise you to take a GOOD long look , over several viewing sessions , into the " Best Of" section at the top of the forum page.

From the equipment you own , and the fact that you have already written reviews , it is quite possible that you might have a good idea already what the answer to your question might be.

I could be wrong , but your mention of the words "sweep" and "deep sky" suggest to me that the option of wider -field and larger exit pupil might just swing your decision in favour of the 15 x 50s. Indeed actual "sweeping" is not , by all accounts , one of the tasks which Image Stabilised binos do very well , as I've found even in daylight , that when actual scanning or moving the binocular from one target to another , the images perform a kind of slow -motion dance before settling down again.

Very few people I know have used Zeiss 20 x 60 IS binos -period.

Even fewer bought them specifically for astronomy purposes.

The general opinion of them seems to be that they are somewhat overpriced , over -heavy and possibly , dare I say , over -rated.

I guess therein lies the dilemma with IS binos , which is basically that any model 50mm or above has proved to be on the border line of what can comfortably be held for any length of time , and any magnification approaching 20x with such restricted objective size presents a potential restriction with exit -pupil.

PORTABILITY and CONVENIENCE are a MAJOR plus -- but if one wants 20x power with optimum light gathering potential AND optimum exit -pupil , one is really looking at MOUNTING a binocular anyway.

Enter the true giants -- of which I see you already own one.

I suppose with a friendly , understanding supplier , you COULD order BOTH -- and keep just the one you prefer.

The Dutch have a reputation for being "easy -going" , I wonder if that extends to optics retailers ?

I hope you get some more relevant help on this one Michiel, but whatever , keep in touch , and why not post one or two of your reviews to the "mini -reviews" section here ?

Clear skies -- and good luck -- Kenny.

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Two eyes and a preference to use both



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Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera


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Re: canon IS15x50 versus 18x50 new [Re: michiel]
      #201532 - 09/20/04 11:50 PM

Hi Michiel, I chose the 15x50 after comparing it to 18x50 in the store, and have been happy with the choice. I preferred the 15x50 for its wider field and steadier view--that seemingly small power difference does make the 18x a bit harder to hold steady. The 18x50 seemed a bit harder to look through--the IS seemed more noticeable in the 18x, giving more of a 'buzzy' appearance.

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Re: canon IS15x50 versus 18x50 new [Re: ]
      #201666 - 09/21/04 08:29 AM

WHat everyone has said is correct I believe Michiel. I have never used IS binos so I can't say anything about their performace for astronomy per se or how steady the 18x binos are. BUT, speaking solely of magnification, 18x will increase your limiting magnitude by about 0.2...at the expense of a narrower FOV which may still be ok for "deep sky sweeping".

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Re: canon IS15x50 versus 18x50 new [Re: ]
      #201667 - 09/21/04 08:33 AM

I've read that these IS binocs stabilize the image for 5 minutes.
What happens after the 5 minutes? Do you have to turn them off and then on again, or do something else?


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Re: canon IS15x50 versus 18x50 new [Re: ]
      #201700 - 09/21/04 09:50 AM

Quote:

Hi Michiel, I chose the 15x50 after comparing it to 18x50 in the store, and have been happy with the choice. I preferred the 15x50 for its wider field and steadier view--that seemingly small power difference does make the 18x a bit harder to hold steady. The 18x50 seemed a bit harder to look through--the IS seemed more noticeable in the 18x, giving more of a 'buzzy' appearance.




I totally agree with you! I own the Canon 15x50 and compared it extensively to the 18x50 (and the Nikon Stabileyes 14X40) before purchasing. I found the 15x50 to be more pleasant to use, as well as being $200 cheaper.

I really love the 15x50IS and only wish I had bought it sooner. Yes, it is pretty big and heavy, but the benefits of the IS and the bright, beautiful image are worth it!!

I suggest you search here using the word "Canon" or "Stabilized" and you'll find lots of recent discussion and opinions. You can actually click my name and look at the threads I've posted on, I think I've chimed in on pretty much all the recent Canon IS discussion topics.

Good luck and enjoy the hunt! More importantly, enjoy using your binocs when you get them!

Cheers,

Dave


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Re: canon IS15x50 versus 18x50 new [Re: ]
      #201702 - 09/21/04 09:53 AM

Quote:

I've read that these IS binocs stabilize the image for 5 minutes.
What happens after the 5 minutes? Do you have to turn them off and then on again, or do something else?




To save the battery in case you forget, the IS turns off after 5 minutes. All you have to do is press the button to turn it back on.

In practice, I rarely hit the "5 minute limit" because I generally turn the IS on and off as I look through the binocs.

Cheers,

Dave


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Re: canon IS15x50 versus 18x50 new [Re: ]
      #201722 - 09/21/04 10:08 AM

Cool, thanks Dave.

What size IS binocs do you have btw?

The 15 x 50 look very sweet, but also very expensive.

There is a pair of 30mm Canon IS binocs here on a net auction for like $200.

Is the 30mm too small for stargazing?


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Re: canon IS15x50 versus 18x50 new [Re: ]
      #201942 - 09/21/04 02:32 PM Attachment (18 downloads)

thanks guys,I sort of figured the answer out for myself. I think the 15x50 is overall much better appreciated than the 18x50, so I think i am gonna get one.... No I have to look for a reasonable price, overhere in europe most astronomy stuff is much more expensive as in the States,yeah I envy you all for that. The 15x50 have pricetags between 900 and 1500(!) euros overhere, with 1 euro about 1.2 dollars... poor me.

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questar 3.5
12" F5.3 truss dob (on dark holiday location in france)
17.5" F4.57 split tube discovery dob on order
TMB 203/9 Achro (godzilla) on G41 with FS2
antares 127mmF6.45 refractor on eq6 skyscan or altazimuth vixen custom d mount
Aries Chromacorr O1
baader widefield binoviewer (27mm prisms)
25/40x100 45 degrees chinese border patrol binos
15x50 canon IS
10x70 vintage bino
25x100 apogee binos
50mm F18 brass
8x30 opticron mono (not really for astronomy)


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Re: canon IS15x50 versus 18x50 new [Re: michiel]
      #201966 - 09/21/04 03:03 PM

Check on availability of Canon rebates...I bought mine in January and at that time Canon was offering $100 manufacturers rebate...they might do it again.

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Re: canon IS15x50 versus 18x50 new [Re: ]
      #201972 - 09/21/04 03:07 PM

When I bought my 15X50 from Amazon.com in July, their price was $799, and there was a $100 Canon rebate, plus a $50 Amazon rebate. Net cost: US$650. I felt like this was a good deal.

Dave


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Re: canon IS15x50 versus 18x50 new [Re: ]
      #202088 - 09/21/04 04:54 PM

Quote:

Cool, thanks Dave.

What size IS binocs do you have btw?

The 15 x 50 look very sweet, but also very expensive.

There is a pair of 30mm Canon IS binocs here on a net auction for like $200.

Is the 30mm too small for stargazing?




Yes.

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Fiske Miles
Nikon 8x42 LX / 12x50 SE Binos
Mini Borg 60ED, TV-101, AT80Ach, XT-8, C11/CI-700, 22-Inch Dob
Way too many Nagler eyepieces
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Re: canon IS15x50 versus 18x50 new [Re: Fiske]
      #202303 - 09/21/04 09:08 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Cool, thanks Dave.

What size IS binocs do you have btw?

The 15 x 50 look very sweet, but also very expensive.

There is a pair of 30mm Canon IS binocs here on a net auction for like $200.

Is the 30mm too small for stargazing?




Yes.



My Orion 7x32 14° Expanse binoculars are great for scanning the night sky and I would think a quality 6x30 or 7x30 with over 10° FOV would also be nice .

Joe

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Meade 102ED APO
Orion EON 72
120ST
Apex 127
C6 XLT
CR150
C9.25
XT10
Zeiss 7x42 FL
Canon 10x42L IS WP
15x50 IS
12x36 IS II
Garrett Optical 28x110 HD-WP Signature Series
Oberwerk BT-80 45
Apogee RA-88-SA
Denk II Power x Switch binoviewer w/13mm Ethos, 20mm Pentax XW's, 20mm Widescan III's.


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Re: canon IS15x50 versus 18x50 new [Re: Joe Ogiba]
      #202676 - 09/22/04 09:49 AM

The Canon 30mm IS binos are actually 10x30s, which means they have a 3mm exit pupil. At that magnification, and that exit pupil size, the Canon 30mm binos are quite dim for nighttime use.

I've tested them personally on the night sky. I think they are a quality instrument and potentially good for daylight applications, but I would not recommend them for astronomy. Except, possibly, for looking at the moon!

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Fiske Miles
Nikon 8x42 LX / 12x50 SE Binos
Mini Borg 60ED, TV-101, AT80Ach, XT-8, C11/CI-700, 22-Inch Dob
Way too many Nagler eyepieces
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Re: canon IS15x50 versus 18x50 new [Re: Fiske]
      #203155 - 09/22/04 07:17 PM

One friend has a Canon 16x50 IS and another friend has a Canon 15x50 IS. After trying both I prefered the 15x50. The 18x50 IS still showed some shake. The 15x50 IS takes out more of the shake (or makes the shake less apparent). The 15x50 IS with its wider field made finding DSOs easier.

I'm very happy with my Canon 15x50 IS.

Rich


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Re: canon IS15x50 versus 18x50 new [Re: michiel]
      #206323 - 09/26/04 02:57 PM

A an owner, I also put in my vote for the IS 15 X 50's. They are one of my most used optics for astronomy. Although I keep hearing comments from various people about them having a "catch up/settling down effect" when you slew them about the sky, I have never seen this effect in the 2 1/2 years I have used them. Note: I just stopped this post and went outside to really test this concept out in the daylight... result, no "catch up" effect at all. Personally, I think that this settling down effect cannot occur with the technology used in Canon IS binos. I have heard that this effect is very obvious with some other brands.

Please note, I can only report on my experience with the Canon IS 15 X 50. I have not used any other Canon IS binos or any other IS brand.

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Apogee 25 X 100 Binos
Canon 15 X 50 IS Binos



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Re: canon IS15x50 versus 18x50 new [Re: AJTony]
      #211247 - 10/02/04 02:44 PM

Hi,I finally received a pair of 15x50.this seems a better choice than the 18x50 as almost all you guys tried to tell me. I found a retailer that offered one for 800 euros,which is for european standards not expensive, They arrived today. Wow being used to 25x100,they are very compact and light. Unfortunately the weather is bad so I cannot use them outside at night, but first spying views of the neighbours house are impressive, they seem optically quite good and stabilisation works o.k. Come back to you after seme stargazing
michiel from holland

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questar 3.5
12" F5.3 truss dob (on dark holiday location in france)
17.5" F4.57 split tube discovery dob on order
TMB 203/9 Achro (godzilla) on G41 with FS2
antares 127mmF6.45 refractor on eq6 skyscan or altazimuth vixen custom d mount
Aries Chromacorr O1
baader widefield binoviewer (27mm prisms)
25/40x100 45 degrees chinese border patrol binos
15x50 canon IS
10x70 vintage bino
25x100 apogee binos
50mm F18 brass
8x30 opticron mono (not really for astronomy)


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