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StargazerBill
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I just received my new Pentax 75 Friday but so far had only a couple of hours of clear sky Friday night, its been cloudy since. But I did have enough time to make some quick evaluations and the news is good....very good.
First, the build quality of this scope is second to none. I have owned TV, SV, and Tak scopes (numerous of each) and, in my estimation, the Pentax is easily the equal or better than any of them. The interesting thing when compared to the TV76 is that the Pentax 75 is actually lighter by about a pound yet it is as just as solid and easily exudes the same or better build quality. In many ways it is a more sophisticated scope than any of the other scopes I have owned. By that I mean little details like the teeth of the R&P focuser are much finer (more teeth per inch). This give a smoother, more controlled action. Another example is the way the focuser tension/lock is applied. Instead of using a thumbscrew to apply pressure at one point on the draw tube the Pentax uses a small lever and compression mechanism that applies even and variable pressure around the entire tube. The sliding dew shield locks into place when extended with a secure "click". The front rim of the dew shield as well as the scope tube is fitted with a protective rubber "armor". The paint job and logo lettering is first class all the way, no decals here.
The optics are exquisite looking. The SMC reflects only a deep green tint, otherwise the glass would be practically invisible. The optics were clean and free of even the thinest particle of dust when I unpacked the scope. The attention given to internal baffling and blackening is obvious.
As I said, I had but a short while under the stars but it was enough time to verify the optical capability of the scope. Star test = text book perfect. CA at high power on Vega was barely perceptible. I think the only scope I have personally owned with better color correction was the NP101. This includes Tak FS102, Tak Sky 90, TV76, TV102, and TV85. Star clusters and bright DSO's with the Pentax 75 and Pentax XW eyepieces are impressive. This scope/EP combo has the highest contrast I have experienced in a scope thus far. Variations in star colors are brilliantly evident. It is clear to me that this scope has A1, top drawer, first class optics.
Considering that the OTA is only $995 (on sale at OPT) this has to be one of the great sleeper deals out there.
It will be a few years before I jump at a 5" APO but unless the landscape changes dramatically before then I will definitely be looking hard at the Pentax 125 when the time comes.
-------------------- 37;23N 80;10W (Jet Stream Alley)
Vixen ED100sf
Orion ST 120
Orion XT6i
Meade 8" LX90
TMB Paragon 40
Vixen LVW 22, 13, 8, 5
Vixen NPL Plossl 30mm, 20mm, 15mm
Edited by Bill Green (12/03/07 06:22 AM)
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Larry Geary
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I knew you'd like it. What are you mounting it on?
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LLEEGE
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Sounds like a nice scope. The rubber "bumper" on the end on the dew shield sound ingenious! If I am ever in the market for a 3" APO, I will give the Pentax a good looking at.
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ngc2289
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UH OH! You said a bbbaaaddd word (CA)!!!! Your in trouble now!!
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KWB
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Got any images? I'd like to see some as I'm hooked on 3 inch refractors.
-------------------- Kenny
"Remember,wherever you go,then there you are."
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Danno2006
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That $6,995 price tag on the 125 sure does open a world of competition for the $.
Edited by Danno2006 (12/03/07 12:06 AM)
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LLEEGE
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That $6,995 price tag on the 125 sure does open a world of competion for the $.
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StargazerBill
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I knew you'd like it. What are you mounting it on?
Right now I am using a Vixen PortaMount (perfect fit) and a Sky View Pro for EQ. The SVP is a bit of an overkill. My next purchase will be a set of wood legs for the Portamount and then I may get an Orion Astro View mount which would match the Pentax size and weight better. If the wood legs work out on the PortaMount I will then get them for the Astro View. So, in the end the plan for the Pentax is to be using The PortaMount and Astro View, both upgraded with wood legs. Both set ups will be plenty of stability for the Pentax yet very portable.
-------------------- 37;23N 80;10W (Jet Stream Alley)
Vixen ED100sf
Orion ST 120
Orion XT6i
Meade 8" LX90
TMB Paragon 40
Vixen LVW 22, 13, 8, 5
Vixen NPL Plossl 30mm, 20mm, 15mm
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PhilG
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Bill,
That DOES sound like a great deal. Do you plan on doing any imaging with it? I'm wondering about motorized focus capabilities.
We definitely need some pics.
Phil
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Stellarvue SV115, SV90TBV, 80EDU
Celestron C9.25, C102F
WO FLT-110 TEC with Moonlite focuser
AP MACH1GTO, Takahashi Teegul Lapides, SV M1
Apogee U8300 with Astrodon Filters
Orion Starshoot Pro
Explora-Dome Observatory
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StargazerBill
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Quote:
Bill,
That DOES sound like a great deal. Do you plan on doing any imaging with it? I'm wondering about motorized focus capabilities.
We definitely need some pics.
Phil
Phil,
No plans at this time for imaging. I have tried over the years to avoid that slippery slope. I enjoy visual so much and knowing my lack of control when it comes to buying toys I am really trying to avoid that money pit. (but never say never)
I'll try to post some images later in the week or over the weekend.
-------------------- 37;23N 80;10W (Jet Stream Alley)
Vixen ED100sf
Orion ST 120
Orion XT6i
Meade 8" LX90
TMB Paragon 40
Vixen LVW 22, 13, 8, 5
Vixen NPL Plossl 30mm, 20mm, 15mm
Edited by Bill Green (12/03/07 12:54 PM)
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StargazerBill
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Reged: 01/27/07
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Quote:
Got any images? I'd like to see some as I'm hooked on 3 inch
refractors.
Kenny,
I'll try to get some images up later in the week.
-------------------- 37;23N 80;10W (Jet Stream Alley)
Vixen ED100sf
Orion ST 120
Orion XT6i
Meade 8" LX90
TMB Paragon 40
Vixen LVW 22, 13, 8, 5
Vixen NPL Plossl 30mm, 20mm, 15mm
Edited by Bill Green (12/03/07 12:53 PM)
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StargazerBill
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That $6,995 price tag on the 125 sure does open a world of competition for the $.
Very true. But if Pentax can produce a scope like the 75 in the $1000 range I'd LOVE to see what they can offer for 7K!
-------------------- 37;23N 80;10W (Jet Stream Alley)
Vixen ED100sf
Orion ST 120
Orion XT6i
Meade 8" LX90
TMB Paragon 40
Vixen LVW 22, 13, 8, 5
Vixen NPL Plossl 30mm, 20mm, 15mm
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jrbarnett
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Given Pentax's historical lack of presence in the US market, you can get amazingly good deals on used Pentax OTAs versus the more well known brands. For example, my own 105-SDHF new from APM a couple of years ago would have been about 5500 Euros (!). According to Telescope Blue Book, a good quality used 105-SDHF bare OTA ought to run about $2200. That's fairly massive depreciation compared to say a Televue 102. The TV-102 in like condition is an $1800 scope, but only retailed for about $2300 new.
I think the used pricing in the US makes these OTAs an utter steal. Hopefully Pentax expands its presence here to mirror that of Takahashi. It's nice to be able to send a fancy telescope to the manufacturer's agent for cleaning, collimation and for-charge repairs if you are the second, third or fifteenth owner.
Regards,
Jim
-------------------- "I am part of the sea and stars, And the winds of the South and North, Of mountains and Moon and Mars, And the ages sent me forth!"
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Rob S
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Bill, can you tell us what diagonal, adapters, tubes etc you are using. And EP's so we get an idea on what will work with relatively no hassle.
Regards,
Rob.
-------------------- 8" f5 Dob with Feathertouch
Brandon: 16
Pentax: 7, 10 & 20XW
TMB: 30 Paragon
TV: 8 & 13 Ethos;
5 & 13 NaglerT6;
24 Panoptic;
Leica Trinovid 8x50 BN
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StargazerBill
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Quote:
Bill, can you tell us what diagonal, adapters, tubes etc you are using. And EP's so we get an idea on what will work with relatively no hassle.
Regards,
Rob.
Rob,
All the 75 SDHF needs to utilize 1.25" accessories is the 60.2mm to 1.25" Sleeve Adapter [OS-PA1], $89 at OPT. Once this adapter is inserted you can use 1.25" diagonals as usual. I am using a Stellarvue 1.25" dielectric. You may hear talk about the Pentax being problematic with regard to eyepieces coming to focus (not enough in-focus travel). I use Pentax XW eyepieces (20 to 3.5mm) and they all come to focus with room to spare. I also use Meade Series 5000 Plossls (26 to 5.5mm) and they all work as well.
Now what is a problem is 2" eyepieces. OPT offers an adapter for 2" but to my understanding a 2" diagonal will not allow EPs to reach focus. For me this is a total non-issue. My 20mm XW provides 25X with a FOV of 2.8 degrees. For my viewing needs that is plenty. The TV 24 Panoptics will provide 21X with a FOV of 3.2 degrees. So I caution against letting the fact that you may not be able to use 2" EPs overly influence anyones decision regarding this scope. Of course, if needed a 2" EP can be used straight through (without a diagonal) with no problem using the 2" adapter (also $89).
Bottom line: for visual applications using 1.25" EPs all you need is the $89 adapter and it's business as usual.
-------------------- 37;23N 80;10W (Jet Stream Alley)
Vixen ED100sf
Orion ST 120
Orion XT6i
Meade 8" LX90
TMB Paragon 40
Vixen LVW 22, 13, 8, 5
Vixen NPL Plossl 30mm, 20mm, 15mm
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Rob S
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Yeah, I was tempted to get this earlier or a small Tak. I suppose it would work well with my growinf collection of XW's.
Regards,
Rob.
-------------------- 8" f5 Dob with Feathertouch
Brandon: 16
Pentax: 7, 10 & 20XW
TMB: 30 Paragon
TV: 8 & 13 Ethos;
5 & 13 NaglerT6;
24 Panoptic;
Leica Trinovid 8x50 BN
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dbledsoe
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Bill,
I concur with your impressions of the Pentax 75 SDHF. But what I would like to add is how beautifully flat the field is when using a low power widefield eyepiece to cruise the Milky Way under dark skies. Now that is stunning!
I bought mine from OPT about 4 months ago (a plug for OPT at this point, truly a fabulous company to do business with, especially if you need customer support. They're there and they are on it like flies on ....!).
I bought the OPT 2" adapter and use my Televue 2" diagonal and an older Brandon 32mm widefield eyepiece for low power widefield cruising. What a gorgeous combination.
As for eyepieces coming to focus, what I have found is (using the 2" Televue diagonal) my Televue Nagler and Widefield eyepieces will come to focus. What won't come to focus (not enough in travel) are short focal length orthos such as the University or Baader brands, same with the Orion Ultrascopic. But then it is simply a matter of using a 2" to 1 1/4" adapter in the OPT 2" adapter, a 1 1/4" diagonal and everything I have in short orthos will come to focus. Another option is to use the shorter light path through put Astrotech 2" diagonal. I have one but it is for an SCT, which I find to be a shorter light path through put than any other SCT diagonal I have. I'm guessing the Astrotech 2" refractor diagonal would have the same shorter light path through put compared to my Televue and many other brands of 2" diagonal.
The point I'd like to make is that if one wants to use a 2" diagonal and leave it in place then plan on using Televue (and likely Pentax) eyepieces that are parafocal with the TV Nagler and you shouldn't have any problems. Otherwise, use your 2" eyepieces with the 2" diagonal then insert a 2" to 1 1'4" adapter and switch to a 1 1/4" diagonal... or do like I did and get the Baader T2 diagonal with 1 1/4" Click Lock eyepiece end and slap a Baader a 2" T2 adapter on the telescope end. That combo mates directly to the OPT 2" adapter. End of story.
Like you, I've been through a lot of scopes in my time to include Taks, APs, etc. but this is one 75mm scope I will keep. All the top names are outstanding but there is something special about Pentax that captures my fancy, probably all those years spent with vintage Pentax SLR film cameras and lenses, lenses that while bought 40 years ago I find I can still use on my current 2007 Pentax Digital SLR. Now that is a company that gets my respect, and business. PENTAX!
Pentax telescopes aren't cheap, but then quality never is.
My hat is off to OPT for making them available to us here in the USA. Next stop, a 4" Pentax... but that will be a while for me.
-------------------- Don
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