asaint
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edwincjones
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I saw one on display at DSRSG last month-the tent observatory was impressive. I do not know if it is worth taking to star parties with set up/take down for a few days,
but I think that it has much potential as a semi-perment dome in a secure back yard.
If I did not already have an observatory, I would have gotten the AstroGazer. I considered getting one for a second observatory, but the CFO was unimpressed.
My only negative was concern about how potected the observing equiptment would be in adverse weather conditions.
edj
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Chris Schroeder
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If I was at a star party for only night, I would agree, but a couple nights, then the usefulness out ways the hassle factor in my opinion.
I had my 10" DOB in there during a two day good old autumn storm, winds gusting 50MPH, driving rain. Both were unharmed, the only issue is, I would use a tarp for ground cover if being used more then a day. Moisture from the ground would condensate on the inner surfaces. But with being able to open both side of the dome at the same time, you can get a nice cross breeze to quickly dry it out.
-------------------- Chris
Mallincam Color Hyper Plus
10" DSH with SC DSC, CPC 800 XLT
M102ED S.V., ZS 80FD 10th Anniv, ZS 66SD, PST
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George N
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What’s the biggest scope that could go in one of these? C-14 on a GEM? How about a Dob? 14-inch?
-------------------- George N
Obsession 20
Optical Guidance Systems 10" F/9 R-C Cass
6" F/5 & 8" F/8 home-made Newts
MI-250 mount
SBIG STL-1301E CCD
Member, International Dark-Sky Association
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Snaproll
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Hard to say what the largest scope will be without actually doing it, but I know 14" SCTs are used in PODs and EDs, so the AG would have no issue. It is a good foot wider and taller than the ED and POD. Larger? a 16" SCT? I would "think" so... I only saw one once up close and personal. It may have to have a trimmed dew shield, but would probably work. A 20"? Heck if you have that much money you could probably contract for a custom AG! 
As far as dobs... Well Chris had a 16" in there and it looked plenty roomy, but I never saw it in person. I'm sure he'll weigh in when he gets a chance. A 22" dob was too large. It comes down to the "swing room" and "height". If the pivot point of the dob is less than 5 feet it should be ok towards the walls. Height, I think you have 8.5 feet of clearance if memory serves. I think something like a 10" dob would still fit, after that it would be getting tight. Better to measure once than buy twice
-------------------- -Jim-
Happiness is a clear sky and a Denk II
old AP images and some new C14 Hyperstar images
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Chris Schroeder
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The 16" DOB in the center could spin 360° in the horizontal postion. A larger would would work but it would have to be off set from center and wouldn't be able to swing it 360° then.
-------------------- Chris
Mallincam Color Hyper Plus
10" DSH with SC DSC, CPC 800 XLT
M102ED S.V., ZS 80FD 10th Anniv, ZS 66SD, PST
POD XL3 http://POD.SchroederCity.com
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Trevor Young
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I've had my AstroGazer setup in my New England back yard since last Spring. I have a 20" F5 Dob in there and ladder. I have it offset so I can only observer about 180 degrees but the Northern DSOs are mostly what I'm interested in anyway. If and when I get bored I'll just move the whole shabang to another spot in the yard so I can see a different 180. It sure beats standing in the open on a cold windy night.
-------------------- Teeter 20" F/5 Dob/Argo Navis
Nagler T4 17, WO UWAN 28
Meade SWA 13.8, WA 20
Discovery 10" F/4.5 Dob
Orion Mini Giant 12x63 Binocs
Astrogazer Portable Observatory
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Snaproll
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Thanks for the input Trevor, it's good to know that works easily.
-------------------- -Jim-
Happiness is a clear sky and a Denk II
old AP images and some new C14 Hyperstar images
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George N
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Quote:
I've had my AstroGazer setup in my New England back yard since last Spring. I have a 20" F5 Dob in there...
Did it survive the snow storms? Do you have a picture you can post with your 20-inch inside?
-------------------- George N
Obsession 20
Optical Guidance Systems 10" F/9 R-C Cass
6" F/5 & 8" F/8 home-made Newts
MI-250 mount
SBIG STL-1301E CCD
Member, International Dark-Sky Association
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Douglas
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I am interested in an AstroGazer and am also curious how it handled moisture, cold, etc. during a long term setup. I would like to leave it setup for long term use and didn't know if I could leave electronic equipment in the OBS. It looks like there is good light protection, and wind protection but I am worried about temperature control and water leaks.
I prefer the large amount of room it offers inside but would like to know more about how it will perform for those storing their equipment in the OBS long term.
- Doug
-------------------- Night Vision Astronomy
BIPH - Binocular Photon Machine
IDA Member
Obsession 12.5" Argo Navis/ServoCat #1528
Tak FSQ-106 EDX2 & EM-200 Temma II
Canon 450 Xsi No Modification
QSI 532ws CCD with AstroDon Filters
Home Built Gen III Image Intensifier
Denk II Binos D14s & D21s
MallinCam Hyper Plus Color
Bunch of Naglers & 13mm Ethos
Stellarvue 80mm F/7 NHNG #36
PST SolarMax 40 Double Stack
Canon 15 x 50 IS Binoculars
AstroTrac
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Trevor Young
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I have to admit I didn't know how well it would handle snow - it certainly has handled quite intense rainstorms and wind effortlessly. I've been inside when the rain was very heavy and saw no leaks. So I did monitor it carefully during those heavy snow storms of a couple weeks back. I did go out a couple of times to brush the snow off the top of the dome as a precaution, and even though it was surrounded with up to 2 feet of snow drifts there was no snow inside. I do have the scope under a Telegizmo cover for those periods like now when I know the weather is going to be bad -just in case. I don't leave my atlases, eyepeices or Argo N in there. Doug, I haven't monitored the changes of temp in there but it doesn't seem to be extreme. In the mid summer it wasn't baking when it had been sealed up all day. When I can spare the remote temperature sensors from other tasks I'll run some tests over a few days to see how it varies from the outside. I certainly don't think it's any challenge for my Dob. George, I wish I had taken some pictures and I will next time. It was pretty dramatic.
-------------------- Teeter 20" F/5 Dob/Argo Navis
Nagler T4 17, WO UWAN 28
Meade SWA 13.8, WA 20
Discovery 10" F/4.5 Dob
Orion Mini Giant 12x63 Binocs
Astrogazer Portable Observatory
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Douglas
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Thanks Trevor.
- Doug
-------------------- Night Vision Astronomy
BIPH - Binocular Photon Machine
IDA Member
Obsession 12.5" Argo Navis/ServoCat #1528
Tak FSQ-106 EDX2 & EM-200 Temma II
Canon 450 Xsi No Modification
QSI 532ws CCD with AstroDon Filters
Home Built Gen III Image Intensifier
Denk II Binos D14s & D21s
MallinCam Hyper Plus Color
Bunch of Naglers & 13mm Ethos
Stellarvue 80mm F/7 NHNG #36
PST SolarMax 40 Double Stack
Canon 15 x 50 IS Binoculars
AstroTrac
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George N
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Quote:
....I did monitor it carefully during those heavy snow storms of a couple weeks back. I did go out a couple of times to brush the snow off the top of the dome as a precaution, and even though it was surrounded with up to 2 feet of snow drifts there was no snow inside.
This thing is sounding better all the time!
-------------------- George N
Obsession 20
Optical Guidance Systems 10" F/9 R-C Cass
6" F/5 & 8" F/8 home-made Newts
MI-250 mount
SBIG STL-1301E CCD
Member, International Dark-Sky Association
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Trevor Young
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We finally got another snowstorm here so I was able to take a photo of the dome in winter conditions. I haven't yet cleared snow from the top. The photo is looking towards the south and the tree line so you can see why I'm not bothered by the fact I can't easily swing the 20" Dob more than 180 degrees. I have a terrific northern view and as I said before, if I want to view the south I can move the dome away from the trees but would lose the northern view. There's no place on my land where I can get much more than 180 degree clear sky in any direction so that's another reason this semi-permanent dome is perfect.
-------------------- Teeter 20" F/5 Dob/Argo Navis
Nagler T4 17, WO UWAN 28
Meade SWA 13.8, WA 20
Discovery 10" F/4.5 Dob
Orion Mini Giant 12x63 Binocs
Astrogazer Portable Observatory
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AstroGizmos
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George,
FYI, we now include 2 additional cross supports, aluminum, to increase the AG's load strength. This modification is also available to current owners of the AG at no charge.
The largest scopes we know of, in regular use, in an AG is Trevor's 20" and an 20" Obsession by a customer out west.
Jeff Goldstein 'AstroGizmos"
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Douglas
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Trevor, that picture is worth a thousand words.
I spoke to Jeff about an hour ago and put in my order for the AG along with a high and low desk. The desks look like a great add on. The low one if perfect for my computer and wireless components and the high desk is perfect for my EPs, star charts and things I grab while standing at the EP.
I felt bad calling on New Year's Eve but couldn't stand it any longer, I had to put in the order!
I love the fact that the AG is both super portable and capable as a semi permanent/permanent setup.
I am really looking forward to setting up the AG.
Jeff, thanks for taking my call, questions, and order on New Year's Eve!
- Doug
-------------------- Night Vision Astronomy
BIPH - Binocular Photon Machine
IDA Member
Obsession 12.5" Argo Navis/ServoCat #1528
Tak FSQ-106 EDX2 & EM-200 Temma II
Canon 450 Xsi No Modification
QSI 532ws CCD with AstroDon Filters
Home Built Gen III Image Intensifier
Denk II Binos D14s & D21s
MallinCam Hyper Plus Color
Bunch of Naglers & 13mm Ethos
Stellarvue 80mm F/7 NHNG #36
PST SolarMax 40 Double Stack
Canon 15 x 50 IS Binoculars
AstroTrac
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spaceydee
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that's a gorgeous picture.
-------------------- Dee
space-scientist
student violinist
Nexstar8i,SV80S,80/9D,FC100,94 Brandon,TMB92SS,GM8
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Trevor Young
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I'm glad you found the photo useful. Because the snow was so heavy and wet this time I actually had to step down into the dome when I went inside. It has been the snowiest December here for many years - of course I should have expected that as this is my first winter with the 20" and the dome. If it keeps up like this I will be tunneling to get into the dome. Definitely the worst observing month since Spring. Doug, you will find Jeff super helpful, with quick responses via email or phone. And it's very reassuring to see him constantly refining and improving the product. The desks weren't available when I got my unit at NEAF although Jeff said he was working on a prototype.
-------------------- Teeter 20" F/5 Dob/Argo Navis
Nagler T4 17, WO UWAN 28
Meade SWA 13.8, WA 20
Discovery 10" F/4.5 Dob
Orion Mini Giant 12x63 Binocs
Astrogazer Portable Observatory
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George N
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Loc: Binghamton & Indian Lake NY
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Quote:
We finally got another snowstorm here so I was able to take a photo of the dome in winter conditions....
Thanks for posting the picture. We had the same wet snow in NY and your pic sure answers the "snow question". The AG seems completely happy in snow!
-------------------- George N
Obsession 20
Optical Guidance Systems 10" F/9 R-C Cass
6" F/5 & 8" F/8 home-made Newts
MI-250 mount
SBIG STL-1301E CCD
Member, International Dark-Sky Association
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Dean Herring
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Loc: Youngsville NC
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my first post to CN as a member hopefully it's not too long. But I'll add my own two cents on the AstroGazer - Thanks,
AstroGazer observations from first assembly in December and assembly and use the night of 1/4/08.
I picked up my AstroGazer at Jeff’s doorstep on the way back from a hunting trip after Thanksgiving and I did put it up in December but did not get a chance to use it with scope inside. Here are some of my observations based on that build and last nights usage with an 18 inch Obsession with SC and AN. Overall I am very satisfied with the AstroGazer so hopefully you won’t find the critique overly critical just thorough.
I have not got under a two hour assembly time yet. I’d like to get it down to 1.5 hours and that looks doable – I’m not in a race and I assembled the second time from memory which went Ok other than having one of the fabric rounds installed inside out which reverses the Velcro so that was a redo. I attempted to assemble by myself and quickly realized that’s going to take longer – so I got help. It goes much smoother with two people. When I got to the upper dome build last night there were a couple of end rod hooks that had rotated around a bit after the last disassembly and that threw me as I did not know if it was assembled correctly until I rotated the black end hooks and retightened them as they were loose.
A couple of notes on the assembly of the lower dome rotating ring that is put together with the ‘T’ parts. It definitely helps to take a file and chamfer the ends of the ‘T’ going into the curved tubes as this keeps them from digging in when they are assembled especially as the ring progresses to the final stage. A note about the instructions – the lower dome round should be made round and level with the supplied string / level before you build the movable lower dome ring. The lower dome ring wants to assemble in a circle while the lower dome round may be egg shaped or oval until made round with the string and then leveled. It’s much easier to assemble the moving round lower dome member if the lower portion of the dome is already rounded. On my first assembly the uprights of the ‘Ts’ hit the inside of the channels quite severely when rotating the upper dome. The consequence was that I needed to get a running start on the upper dome in order to make it past the channels. The channels inside edges were quite sharp and with both the channels and ‘T’ parts made from aluminum they were galling against each other. The channel was cutting a groove in the ‘T’ uprights. I filed smooth all the inside edges that came in contact with the ‘T’ and then added a bit of grease to the channel edge that would contact the ‘T’. That seemed to solve it nicely as the movement is much improved. One nice thing about the design is that all the “T” uprights do not enter the channels at once but perhaps only two of them such that while rotating the dome only two upright ‘T’s need drag through the channels at once. Seems as though on my AstroGazer if the rotating lower dome round were an inch larger in diameter the ‘T’s would rotate in the center of the channel and not hit the inside edges.
My wife noticed that the pop rivets to hold in the Velcro strap that wraps around the PVC diagonals (for storage) on the uprights had a sharp nub that stuck through and up against the inside of the fabric on the lower round. This will worry a hole through it if not corrected. I checked and a couple of the pop rivet centers were flush and OK. Quick solution last night was to wrap the Velcro strap around the pole and rivet location to protect the fabric. Long term solution is to file this nub down. It is caused by the pull through stud of the pop rivet not coming off cleanly sometimes.
On to actual use of the 18 inch inside the dome. Well it fits quite nicely within the dome for starters albeit if exactly centered there is only about .25 inch of clearance between the UTA and the lower dome all around when at a low altitude. I can’t get it at exact center and I doubt anybody else could so I cheat the scope to the west while viewing most of the upcoming objects in the east giving me about 3 inches clearance to the dome in that direction whilst the scope altitude is at 30 degrees. Higher than 40 degrees and there is no problem. I did view a few southern DSO’s at 28 degrees altitude and the lower round of the dome covered the UTA by about 40 percent so I was not using full aperture of the scope. It worked out OK, the inside of the lower round was so close to the scope it acted as a mask and not as a roof top that might clip ones view. I did have to slide back the scope once as the SC muscled the scope into the dome at one of the most southern DSO’s. I was able to slide the scope back as it sits on a small granite slab – on the bare ground I would not have been able to do this. Careful planning is required to get the scope to clear the dome in the direction that you will be viewing if going less than 40 degree altitude.
Somehow the scope was out of collimation and I needed to get to the secondary. The only way to do this was to be between the inside wall of the dome and the UTA. I had to squeeze in there and work in the tight space for this standing on tip toes to get enough room. Raising the altitude up to about 55 degrees or so was needed. It was doable but tight.
The upper shelf worked great as I had all my sketching paraphernalia and eyepieces on top of it. Very stable and a highly recommended accessory. I thought about drilling holes for all the eyepieces but decided against it after usage last night as the table did not get knocked into once. Lots of room between the walls and scope sans where the UTA was if at a low altitude. Only negative last night was I had the table oriented such that the UTA hit it when trying to align on Polaris. At a 60 degree altitude I had no trouble walking around the entire scope. I had one of those small ceramic heaters in there with me last night and it raised the temp inside the dome 8 degrees above ambient w/o adversely affecting seeing. Outside temp was 25degrees and inside was 32 degrees.
I highly recommend the AstroGazer to anyone considering a purchase especially at the $1200 price point if they can keep it there.
Thanks, Dean Herring
-------------------- 18 inch Obsession w/AN and SC
TeleVue TV101
CromixSun Solar instrument
Coronado PST and Solarmax 40
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