George Methvin
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Me and a freind will orders our new Mallincam this coming spring or summer. Could we be seening the begaining of the end of eyepeices. I think in the next 10 years you may see the end of eyepeices they may just become paperweights. In 10 years when you buy a scope it will come with a video chip built into where eyepeices used to go and there will be a small LCD screen to view what you are looking at. Really much better then a eyepeice and you see so much more and deeper. Video will only get better and cheaper so why have 30 eyepeices when all you will need is one video chip so all can enjoy the views. I know there will be people that will cry it will never happen eyepeices will always be around..maby. I had freinds that worked in the photo feild using film. when I saw the frist digital camera I told them it would mean the end of film some day, but they all said no way. As of two years ago there company close because it was cheaper to go cdd. Just a thought. Are we wittness the end of eyepeices. What do you folks thank? 
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blandp11
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I get no enjoyment looking at a TV screen in the dark. Take this one step further and just bring up images of ones favorite objects using a Google search during the day in ones house. I'll pass.
Philip
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smokin oakum
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No, I don't think it will be the end, but maybe a decline. I still love all my eyepieces, and even when I get my Mallincam in January, I will still use them when I'm not up to setting up all that gear. Grab and go is still for me, a past time I will always enjoy. "Look, there's a rocket fuel dump going on outside. Quick, let me grab my Mallincam, computer, power, and telescope" I don't think so, but the real question is, will the ethos type eyepieces still run 600$ plus if the demand isn't as high?
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George Methvin
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I am talking about 10 years down the road. If the Mallincam is this good now how good will video be in the coming years. The chips may be built into the eyepeices themself. There may not be alot of gear it may be all built into the telescope. Whos knows but what I do know there is a change in the wind and changes are coming to the way we view thing through telescope. They are already here.
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Bob Griffiths
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I get no enjoyment looking at a TV screen in the dark. Take this one step further and just bring up images of ones favorite objects using a Google search during the day in ones house. I'll pass.
Philip
I agree completely ...
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walt r
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At $1200 that's a lot of Plossels, so no it will never replace EPs. Just like all the computerised goto scopes have not relaced the simple Dob.
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xyZo
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It's never going to replace anything. It'll add to the choices, but replace? Don't think so bunky. This talk has been going on in the digicam world for over 10 yrs now with optical vs EVF viewfinder. It comes down to personal taste. Some folks are ok with EVF. Purists will always go for the optical solution. This is why there's hundreds of different choices and it will remain that way.
BTW, this is the same thing people said about analog watches when digital watches came on the market in the early 70's. Yeah, right. 
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George Methvin
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Could be right but you can only fit so much glass into a eyepeice before it weights more then the whole scope. Eyepeices have come a long way but there is a new kid on the block and no matter if people like it or not changes will happen only time will tell. Never say never. 
Edited by George Methvin (12/12/07 12:12 PM)
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jayscheuerle
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The hobby means different things to different people. If you remove too much personal effort and interaction, it's no longer a pursuit, it's entertainment.
It will open up a window for the vicarious set, but there will always be those who enjoy a more intimate, peaceful interaction of an occular photon interception.
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Doug Culbertson
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I get no enjoyment looking at a TV screen in the dark. Take this one step further and just bring up images of ones favorite objects using a Google search during the day in ones house. I'll pass.
Philip
Same here. Per my "I'm a Believer" posts, I have had the chance to observe with a friend's Mallincam and, while I recognize that it's an amazing bit of technology, I have no desire to buy one myself and still prefer to push my telescope/eyepiece/MkI eyeball/brain visual train to the limit. You will not see me trading in eyepieces for a video screen as long as I am still able to get outside and set up my telescope. Different strokes for different folks.
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George Methvin
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Iam not saying its going to happen. But I have seen it happen before in other areas...like I said never say never. The great thing if it doe's happen people can still keep there eyepeice that want to use them and the other can switch over to the all video,goto make me a Jack and coke scope. LOL
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DoctorNoodle
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Looking at a boosted image on a computer monitor is cool but IMHO it just doesn't compare to the thrill of old photons hitting my retina! 
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Douglas
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I think Walt made a great comparison. There were folks who said go to scopes were cheating. They said it took away the challenge of hunting down targets. But then tons of folks recognized they could see more in less time, could find what they are looking for, they can use high power with narrow FOV, taking time to study targets, without having to constantly nudge the scope, etc.
However, I love that I can switch between the ServoCat tracking drive and the peace and quiet of simple manually slewing under the stars. I like the option of choosing, much depends on my mood.
There are nights I get excited to use the electronic toys and can deal with the setup, and there are other nights I enjoy connecting with the cosmos with an EP, star charts and hand slewing. I guess it really depends on your mood. Both have so much to offer and I don't see EPs becoming a thing of the past at all.
There is something wonderful and magical about that ancient light passing through your eye which ignites the mind. It will always make for special viewing sessions.
I think we are lucky to have both options available to fit your mood.
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There is something wonderful and magical about that ancient light passing through your eye which ignites the mind. It will always make for special viewing sessions.
Doug: 
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xyZo
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It's a niche hobby where people love to have choices. Otherwise there would be just one telescope design in one size. That's not the case.
It's also a very conservative hobby where some people still talk fondly of refractor telescopes that's obviously inferior to more modern and superior CAT designs. 
Like I said, it'll add to the choice, but replace the optical eyepiece? It'll never happen.
Actually, I predict it *will* happen on the same day that everyone in the world decides that refractors are over priced obsolete piece of technology that belongs in the museum.
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blandp11
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I feel your pain Ken, I really do! Please send me that obsolete 80ED, I don't want you to suffer any more!
Philip
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Actually, I predict it *will* happen on the same day that everyone in the world decides that refractors are over priced obsolete piece of technology that belongs in the museum.
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xyZo
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Nah, I love having choices, even if it is obsolete technology.
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Ken
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Replace?
No.
Add to the many choices?
Yes.
The futuristic new type of eyepiece you describe will be just that.
Another eyepiece.
I'll probably want one.
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havane45
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There is something wonderful and magical about that ancient light passing through your eye which ignites the mind. It will always make for special viewing sessions.
+1
It will simply have its dedicated place in my eyepieces case ; just a new place to cut in the foam. (have to get $ first ...)
The first object I saw in the sky was Saturn ; I had seen many pictures but when I saw it with my own eyes, I remember what I thought : yes, it is here, it is so nice, it really exists !
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George Methvin
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Yes and blacksmiths did not beleave the auto would replace the horse not a lot of blacksmith around anymoe. There is still film but for how much longer how many of you still are using a film 35mm camera there is a long list of things people thought would never be replaced. I like my eyepeices and what I view throught them but one thing I have learned in life is to never say never things are going to come and go it may or may not be eyepeices. Only time will tell. I have often wonder when some one would come out with a new type telescope that will not use optic. It could happen. LOL. Now wheres that Jack and coke I orderd.
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