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December (2007) Skies new
      #2026922 - 12/04/07 07:27 AM

December (2007) Skies

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Re: December (2007) Skies new [Re: asaint]
      #2027276 - 12/04/07 10:47 AM

Nice article. The last sentence in the first paragraph about Comet Holmes not being visible without binoculars caught my eye. I guess this means not naked eye visible. I have observed Holmes three nights in the past week naked eye from my side yard. Not real obvious but definitely there. Last night was clear but so many neighbors now have outside Christmas decorations turned on that the comet (along with many fainter stars) was washed out. It was faintly visible through 12X45 binoculars.

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Re: December (2007) Skies new [Re: StarStuff1]
      #2027293 - 12/04/07 10:54 AM

A very fine summary, that I much enjoyed reading. Thank you! These monthly guides are very helpful.

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Re: December (2007) Skies new [Re: ScottAz]
      #2027828 - 12/04/07 03:15 PM

<i>At that time, the disk will span almost 16 arcseconds and will fill about one half of the field of view in a medium power (100X) telescope eyepiece.</i>

Wrong calculation - less than a half of a degree.

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Re: December (2007) Skies new [Re: kulginov]
      #2028805 - 12/04/07 09:42 PM

As usual, I really appreciate the summary of the Mars Rover activity!
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Re: December (2007) Skies new [Re: StarStuff1]
      #2029194 - 12/05/07 12:26 AM

not being visible without binoculars caught my eye too. It does need a qualifier, such as "from urban skies". I have dark skies up here in North GA, and Comet Holmes is a very obvious naked eye object and has been ever since the outburst. I was just out a few minutes ago and in spite of some high level clouds, it was still readily visible to the naked eye. Yes, it's obviously fading, but from here and at this rate, it will be a naked eye object for several weeks more.

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Re: December (2007) Skies new [Re: CESDewar]
      #2029849 - 12/05/07 11:00 AM

"At that time, the disk will span almost 16 arcseconds and will fill about one half of the field of view in a medium power (100X) telescope eyepiece."

I have to agree with Dmitri, your calculation is way off. I think you confused arcseconds with arcminutes. At 100X, Mars will appear 100 * 16' = 1600', or about 27 arcminutes, or, as Dmitri pointed out, a little less than 1/2 degree. In a 50° AFOV plossl, it will subtend less than 1/100th of the field of view.

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Re: December (2007) Skies new [Re: kulginov]
      #2030374 - 12/05/07 03:07 PM

A 50° apparent field of view eyepiece provides a 0.5° field of view at 100x (50°/100=0.5°).

Mars will span 16 arcseconds. At 100x this is 1600 arcseconds or 0.44°. Therefore Mars almost fills the field of view of a medium power eyepiece —— whoops, that is 100x100 isn't it?

Well how about when looking through a telescopes on a spaceship which is 587,830 miles from Mars? I forgot to mention that in the article.


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Re: December (2007) Skies new [Re: cookman]
      #2031042 - 12/05/07 07:27 PM

Quote:

Well how about when looking through a telescopes on a spaceship which is 587,830 miles from Mars? I forgot to mention that in the article.




Nice try..



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Re: December (2007) Skies new [Re: J_D_Metzger]
      #2044921 - 12/11/07 10:22 PM

This helps me out. So your saying the Orange dot is going to be bigger than all the white dots and more straight up? I'm catching on now.

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Re: December (2007) Skies [Re: asaint]
      #2075665 - 12/26/07 06:17 PM

My experience is that Comet Holmes is still detectable naked eye. With 7x50 it is larger then the Moon. I compare its light with k Persei. 7x50 showed Holmes and M46 in the same field. In my location, where they have not started to erect new town homes I can regularly see M31, M44, without anything but my distance glasses. It was far brighter than M31 last night at 6:32 in my zip 20678. Sometimes the High School has their field lights on , then it's like urban pollution. But great article! - Ben

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