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Joe Lalumia
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Reged: 01/24/07

Loc: Quinlan, Texas, USA

CN-- Lighting Code Presentation
#2076018 - 12/26/07 09:00 PM

I have completed the first draft of the lighting code presentation. A link to the presentation is listed below.

As we discussed before---- I would like CN members to review this document and post their revision suggestions-- pictures, and other comments. Once I have a completed presentation I will upload it to the CN moderators so that other members can use it.

So ----- here is the first draft for YOUR review, comments, and assistance.

I also have a "model" lighting code as a separate document to give to the council members.

www.wingsoverusa.com/CN_light_code.doc

Thanks---- Joe

Edited by Joe Lalumia (12/26/07 09:25 PM)

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Joe Lalumia
Postmaster

Reged: 01/24/07

Loc: Quinlan, Texas, USA

Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new

[Re: Joe Lalumia]
#2076073 - 12/26/07 09:34 PM

And here is the "Model" Lighting Code:
www.wingsoverusa.com/lighting_code_model.txt

Edited by Joe Lalumia (12/26/07 09:35 PM)

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Tombstone Sky
One-Eyed Jack

Reged: 12/18/06

Loc: Tombstone Arizona

Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new

[Re: Joe Lalumia]
#2076091 - 12/26/07 09:43 PM

PM'd you.

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Jeff in Austin
Pooh-Bah

Reged: 02/26/07

Loc: TEXAS

Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new

[Re: Tombstone Sky]
#2076108 - 12/26/07 09:54 PM

Hey Joe - Well done! The dollars and cents combined with the excellent visual examples will make a strong impact.

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Joe Lalumia
Postmaster

Reged: 01/24/07

Loc: Quinlan, Texas, USA

Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new

[Re: Jeff in Austin]
#2076122 - 12/26/07 10:02 PM

Jeff--- had some suggestions to include CO2 reduction in the presentation...... I just don't know how that would be received in conservative Rockwall, Texas??? any ideas on this??
Joe

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mazzefr
I'll take door number three...

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Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new

[Re: Joe Lalumia]
#2076361 - 12/27/07 01:01 AM

Nice job! Good luck!

IMHO, I would leave out the CO2 stuff and stick to the tangible and fiscal benefits.

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Joe Lalumia
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Loc: Quinlan, Texas, USA

Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new

[Re: mazzefr]
#2076840 - 12/27/07 10:32 AM

mazzefr------ thank you; yes I will not discuss CO2.

Joe

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Tombstone Sky
One-Eyed Jack

Reged: 12/18/06

Loc: Tombstone Arizona

Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new

[Re: Joe Lalumia]
#2077430 - 12/27/07 03:40 PM

For those of you who can still find this thread, I downloaded and read Joe's document last night. I decided to help out with an Excel spreadsheet and as with many things, I got carried away.

Anyway, I created an XLS with three charts. All of them have 'before' and 'after' costs/expenses with your data values. You can read about and download the spreadsheet here.

Suggestions and feedback are, of course, welcome.

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Joe Lalumia
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Reged: 01/24/07

Loc: Quinlan, Texas, USA

Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new

[Re: Tombstone Sky]
#2077472 - 12/27/07 03:57 PM

You found it! Very nice spreadsheets ------ I will include them in my presentation------ thank you!

Appreciate your help,
Joe

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Tombstone Sky
One-Eyed Jack

Reged: 12/18/06

Loc: Tombstone Arizona

Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new

[Re: Joe Lalumia]
#2077478 - 12/27/07 04:01 PM

Quote:

You found it! Very nice spreadsheets ------ I will include them in my presentation------ thank you!

Appreciate your help,
Joe

You're quite welcome, Joe. Glad to contribute. Anyway, it gave me something to do while I wait for my 12".

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Tombstone Sky
One-Eyed Jack

Reged: 12/18/06

Loc: Tombstone Arizona

Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new

[Re: Tombstone Sky]
#2077652 - 12/27/07 05:29 PM

Joe - Just updated the xls, fixed an error, extended yrs to 12.

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Joe Lalumia
Postmaster

Reged: 01/24/07

Loc: Quinlan, Texas, USA

Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new

[Re: Tombstone Sky]
#2077689 - 12/27/07 05:44 PM

OK I will download the new one-------
Joe

PS--- think the presentation is very close to completion--- just a little "prettying up"---- and printing. It is three handouts---- and a CD with your spreadsheet-----
1. Presentation
2. "Model" lighting code
3. Your spreadsheet with cost projection what ifs--

Joe

Edited by Joe Lalumia (12/27/07 05:47 PM)

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Tombstone Sky
One-Eyed Jack

Reged: 12/18/06

Loc: Tombstone Arizona

Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new

[Re: Joe Lalumia]
#2077720 - 12/27/07 05:58 PM

You know, I was going to post this in the "Street Lights Legally" forum, but THAT seems to have disappeared. That, and relegating you to Bobo's table, are starting to make me think Cloudy Nights is in favor of light pollution.

Anyway, do some checking on the values. I think I got 'em all ok now. Let us all know how the presentation goes (if you can find your way back here).

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NeoDinian
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Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new

[Re: Tombstone Sky]
#2077780 - 12/27/07 06:30 PM

Dark sky association has a LOT of useful information.

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Joe Lalumia
Postmaster

Reged: 01/24/07

Loc: Quinlan, Texas, USA

Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new

[Re: NeoDinian]
#2078071 - 12/27/07 08:47 PM

Neo---- yes they have lots of information- but not ONE canned presentation for a town council or city council.

Therefore----- I made one and if it works I will upload it to CN so other members can use it-------- maybe get the moderators to put a sticky tack on it?
Joe

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Jeff in Austin
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Reged: 02/26/07

Loc: TEXAS

Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new

[Re: Joe Lalumia]
#2078230 - 12/27/07 09:52 PM

Quote:

Jeff--- had some suggestions to include CO2 reduction in the presentation...... I just don't know how that would be received in conservative Rockwall, Texas??? any ideas on this??
Joe

Finally found the thread! I agree with you and Franco, leave out the CO2 stuff. Keep the focus on the $ and keep their attention.

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Jeff in Austin
Pooh-Bah

Reged: 02/26/07

Loc: TEXAS

Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new

[Re: Tombstone Sky]
#2078238 - 12/27/07 09:57 PM

Quote:

For those of you who can still find this thread, I download and read Joe's document last night. I decided to help out with an Excel spreadsheet and as with many things, I got carried away.

Anyway, I create an XLS with three charts. All of them have 'before' and 'after' costs/expenses with your data values. You can read about and download the spreadsheet here.

Suggestions and feedback are, of course, welcome.

That's a nice spreadsheet. It does a great job of highlighting the accumulated savings over time.

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Tombstone Sky
One-Eyed Jack

Reged: 12/18/06

Loc: Tombstone Arizona

Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new

[Re: Jeff in Austin]
#2079030 - 12/28/07 09:43 AM

Joe - when appropriate...

1. Let us know when the presentation's going to be.
2. Consider trying to get this thread moved to (or open a new one in) the "General Observing" forum. That seems to be where most LP stuff is winding up.
3. If you need a website to make your presentation publicly available, I've got space. In any case, I'd like to link to it.

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Joe Lalumia
Postmaster

Reged: 01/24/07

Loc: Quinlan, Texas, USA

Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new

[Re: Tombstone Sky]
#2079877 - 12/28/07 05:58 PM

Thombstone you got it-------- the presentation and the "model" ordinance are already posted on my server----- you are welcome to copy it and use it or link to the documents-------- to your other question----

HELLO GREEN AND RED GUYS CAN THIS THREAD BE MOVED TO "General Observing" section of CN???? I feel like Tom Hanks on Castaway! ------- down here with all the Area 51 and alien abduction postings! Ha.

Edited by Joe Lalumia (12/28/07 06:00 PM)

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Glassthrower
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Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new

[Re: Joe Lalumia]
#2080138 - 12/28/07 08:33 PM

Joe,

That presentation document is great.

Well done.

I like the examples of shielded and unshielded fixtures. The photos showing the effects of glare by bright unshielded lamps on streets and intersections is a nice touch. And the photo of the house all lit up by light trespass and having to erect heavy blinds in the house to block it - that perfectly illustrates "light trespass" in a way that non-astronomers can understand. Nice touch.

Unless any other moderators or admins have a problem with it, I am going to pin this to the top of this forum. It deserves to be seen/read/downloaded.

Again, outstanding job to everyone involved here.

Regards and clear dark skies,

MikeG

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