RandyR
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Another mod agrees.
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"Dark Skies & Great Viewing"
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Joe Lalumia
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Loc: Rockwall, Texas, USA
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Mike and Randy----- thanks much for posting this thread--- as I told the moderators when the Presentation is finished I will post up everything for CN member's use ------- in presenting to their own City Councils--- or Town Councils.
I am "prettying" up the Presentation-- and altering a few words in the "model" lighting code.
Joe
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Edited by Joe Lalumia (12/28/07 09:57 PM)
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RandyR
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"Dark Skies & Great Viewing"
RandyR / NQ0R
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Joe Lalumia
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Posts: 2538
Loc: Rockwall, Texas, USA
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Here are the KEY LINKS consolidated into one posting--
http://www.wingsoverusa.com/CN_light_code.doc
Presentation
http://www.wingsoverusa.com/lighting_code_model.txt
Model Code
http://www.tombstonesky.com/nightsky/lpcharts/
Excel Spreadsheet- cost savings "what if"
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Joe Lalumia
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Reged: 01/24/07
Posts: 2538
Loc: Rockwall, Texas, USA
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Just to keep everyone updated, I received this email from Michael the Planning and Zoning manager of Rockwall, Texas---
Here is Michaels email---
"Joe, as requested I am copying this reply to Mr. Bricker (with your attachments), and would invite him to make any comments to you as he deems necessary. But it sounds like you are taking a good approach by addressing the Council on this at one of their future meetings. When the Council schedules it on their agenda, staff will have had an opportunity to review your recommendations and should be prepared to discuss how they compare with our current lighting regulations. "
Thanks for taking an interest and for providing several ideas on the issue.
Have a happy new year!
Michael Hampton, AICP
Planning & Zoning Manager
City of Rockwall
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"The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax." - Albert Einstein
Edited by Joe Lalumia (12/31/07 06:22 PM)
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Tombstone Sky
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Loc: Tombstone Arizona
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Jeez Joe, edit and erase that phone number!!!
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MJ "Morg" Staley
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Joe Lalumia
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No---- its a public office number and its already on the internet, Rockwall government web site. But I will take it off anyway--- thanks for the heads-up. By the way I did a few small changes on the "model" code.
Ha. 
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"The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax." - Albert Einstein
Edited by Joe Lalumia (12/31/07 06:23 PM)
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Tombstone Sky
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The newer versions of the spreadsheet locked non-input cells, but I have no problem with supplying an unlocked version. If you can modify it to suit your particular needs, by all means, go at it!
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MJ "Morg" Staley
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M5 Dark-Site Observatory
Meade 12" f/10 LX90GPS "River"
Meade 8" f/10 LX90GPS "Fat Chance"
WO 2" Dielectric Diagonal
Meade SP 5000 full set, 24mm Meade 5000 UWA, BO/TMB Planetary 8, 9mm
Filters I never use
Meade 505/USB/ASU/SNP6
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Joe Lalumia
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Loc: Rockwall, Texas, USA
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Thombstone--- would you be so kind as to post up an unlocked version ---- as I am going to give them your spreadsheet on a CD along with the Presentation and all documents. I will warn them about the formula cells being unlocked.
Appreciate you-- and your help with this.
Joe
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LX90 8" LNT, SV Nighthawk & TelePOD, SV 80/9D & M4 mount, ETX 90, Orion XT10i, 20x80 binoculars, SV-BV3s.
"The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax." - Albert Einstein
Edited by Joe Lalumia (12/31/07 06:45 PM)
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Tombstone Sky
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Quote:
Thombstone--- would you be so kind as to post up an unlocked version ---- as I am going to give them your spreadsheet on a CD along with the Presentation and all documents. I will warn them about the formula cells being unlocked.
Appreciate you-- and your help with this.
Joe
Go back to the web page and find the single-file download for 'unlocked.xls'.
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MJ "Morg" Staley
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M5 Dark-Site Observatory
Meade 12" f/10 LX90GPS "River"
Meade 8" f/10 LX90GPS "Fat Chance"
WO 2" Dielectric Diagonal
Meade SP 5000 full set, 24mm Meade 5000 UWA, BO/TMB Planetary 8, 9mm
Filters I never use
Meade 505/USB/ASU/SNP6
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Joe Lalumia
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Loc: Rockwall, Texas, USA
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OK---- I will get it.
Joe
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FirstSight
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This is a terrific, persuasive presentation. You didn't use the word "astronomy" once, but you did many, many times graphically point out with photos the safety hazard posed by unshielded streetlights.
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Chris M., aka "First Sight"
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Joe Lalumia
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Thanks for the nice comments------- just so everyone knows--- all the documents and spreadsheets are hereby in the PUBLIC DOMAIN and may be freely copied, used, and or altered as you see fit. Tombstone has also posted a similar disclaimer on his web site for the Excel spreadsheets.
Joe Lalumia
Rockwall, Texas
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LX90 8" LNT, SV Nighthawk & TelePOD, SV 80/9D & M4 mount, ETX 90, Orion XT10i, 20x80 binoculars, SV-BV3s.
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Spaced
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Loc: Tacoma, Washington, USA
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Joe & Morg, terrific work. I'm going to adapt them for use in my town, and try to get things moving. Thanks so much!
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Mike
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wrather1
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Loc: Dallas, Texas
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Thanks, Joe, for all your efforts. Do you happen to know if anyone has made such a presentation to Carrollton and/or Farmers Branch?
Dave W.
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Joe Lalumia
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I don't believe they have --- Plano has a light code (nearby to you). I have not read Plano's code???
Joe
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galaxyman
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Loc: Limerick, Pa
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Here is a link to my group's (POLC) outdoor lighting ordinances, that was developed by the highly respected outdoor lighting expert Stan Stubbe.
Also a link to the POLC's Chester county Pa. workshop from last October. Though some good pics, it's much better to see us in action!!!
http://www.polcouncil.org/polc2/ordinanc.htm
http://www.polcouncil.org/download.html
Karl
E.O.H.
Chesmont Astronomical Society - founder
POLC - founder
Telekit (Swayze optics) 22" F/4.5 Dob
Homemade (Parks Optics) 12.5" F/4.8 Dob
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Joe Lalumia
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Loc: Rockwall, Texas, USA
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Update!
I received a phone call today from the Mayor of Rockwall, TX. He is interested in the lighting code presentation and has instructed the City Manager to contact Planning and Zoning. He said the Council would be interested in seeing a proposal from the city zoning and engineers on the proposal.
I am supposed to be contacted by them to setup a meeting. The Mayor said he will follow up today and make sure the ball gets rolling. Both Planning and Zoning and engineers have been copied on the Lighting Code Proposal already-- and both have expressed interest BUT need to be directed to investigate by the City Council.
Joe Lalumia
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LX90 8" LNT, SV Nighthawk & TelePOD, SV 80/9D & M4 mount, ETX 90, Orion XT10i, 20x80 binoculars, SV-BV3s.
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Pierre13mmEthos
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Reged: 12/17/07
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Hi Joe
Superb job !!
I am doing something similar in Quebec and I use an existing by-law that was created in a county that hosts a profesional observatory (Mt-Megantic 60" reflector).
I go around from county to county to show them the existing model and ask them to adopt it
Suggestions for yours:
Change wordings of "No light above horizontal line" to "No light beyond the intended lit area". If your light is shielded, it will be directed downwards on the parking lot you want to light up. This prevents horizontal glare towards houses across the street from the parking lot and no glare means safer driving.
Another suggestion is to ban Mercury lights outright because they are the second most inneficient type of bulb in existence (Second only to the household lightbulb). The Mercury lights blast wavelenghts from UV all the way to IR and they produce less and less light year after year but they consume just as much, rendering them horribly innefficient. The result is people use two, then 3....
They should be replaced by Low pressure sodium lightbulbs that give a yellow glow and nothing in the other wavelenghts. Of course you still put them in full cut-off fixtures.
Promote the environment in your by-law because when using efficient lights with lower wattage, you save your environment by using less fuel, less coal burning to make the electricity and less utility stations to build over time if we conserve energy. (Politicians love to look good on environment issues). They can actually "Beautify" their counties/ villages/ cities by eliminating the Glare of lights. Send the light where it is needed...on the ground usually....not sideways and not skywards.
PS: If any of you readers know of statistics that show crime rates drop during a power failure, please send me the source to pierret@aei.ca I saw this in the Sky & Telescope March issue in the Editor' s comments and despite my writing to the editor, I got no answers and would love something on this to break the old adage of "More light = more security"
Good luck Joe and Congradulations on your EXCELLENT initiative !!!
Sincerely
Pierre Tournay
Montreal
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Joe Lalumia
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Posts: 2538
Loc: Rockwall, Texas, USA
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Pierre, thanks for the kind words.
Clear Skies,
Joe
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