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Lamb0
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Reged: 07/25/07
Posts: 1587
Loc: Fairbury, Nebraska
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That's a fine offer Wes, but you'll have to pry my 15X80 Steiner's from my cold dead hands! I went observing Friday on the packed snow with the Mortar and my Steiners; aperture Rules. The 18X70 Nikons have about the same TFoV as my Steiners, and more power, but also more weight - these weigh 58oz, not 5 lbs, yet they're still waterproof, nitrogen purged and solidly built. For night use the lower magnification comes in handy keeping my favorites in view. The lighter weight of the Steiners is less tiresome when held by hand and they came with a tripod adapter for when I acquire one. These are actually model 416 Military which includes the compass/rangefinder - very handy when I'm storm spotting, or identifying aircraft - such as the space shuttle as it passed over Nebraska.
I admit, the compass intrudes into the lower third of the right eyepiece, but I'm left eye dominant anyway - it doesn't bother me at all in dark skies. Yes, there is modest CA, as well as a little astigmatism, but as Pedro explained, there is a simple cure, install a field stop to lengthen the f/ratio. It was fairly obvious at night at the edge of the field, but not not objectionable for such fast optics. If I were more of a true binocular afficianado, I would have been looking for 20X80s with at least a 500mm Fl weighing in at over 8 lbs. I'm used to testing my optics at night. I hadn't noticed it much during the day - with a 375mm FL and ~4 deg TFoV I wasn't expecting perfection. The Steiners have ~60 deg AF @ f/4.7 vs 72 deg AF @ f/4 for the 18X70 Nikons - no doubt why Nikon pays such special attention to the coatings, they Need to, for both the objectives And the eyepieces for such quality performance. The icing on the cake, for me, was the price - $400 Less than the Nikons. These are a discontinued model, the compass/rangefinder uses passive illumination instead of the active illumination of the new version. For some reason, I seem to have this propensity for accumulating red flashlights; I didn't feel it necessary to pay for the latest "feature".
However, for daytime use, I tend to agree with Rick. Magnification rules the daytime, within the focal distance, and the ability to fit within the FOV with a large sweet spot. It should be easier to maintain a longer f/ratio, preserving the hand held ease of use, yet reducing the CA and astigmatism, with a good IS binocular. Extra magnification also helps me spot smaller, yet brighter targets with my 12X50s at least as well, if not better, as a friend's 10X60s. 18X50s would be my preference for daytime use; lighter, longer f/ratio, probably less CA and astigmatism, with my 12X50s as a waterproof back-up. For the short term, my choice was aperture over magnification. The improvements in IS tech appear to be advancing faster than the long proven compromises with more standard binoculars. Look how much the prisms, servos, electronics, magnification, multi axis control, weatherproofing, and battery life have improved since IS binos were first introduced. I needed aperture more now, I can grab improved IS tech later; water proof please, with fewer dead batteries. Buy for what you need most NOW, NOT 30 years from now. I'm not waiting for the UNOPTOCULAR.
-------------------- John, "Have eyepiece - will travel!"
8" f/5 Dob w/2.14" sec in a 12" alum tube "The Mortar" - w/PCorr 2.16° TFoV @ ~32.5X 70+% illum *Yes!*
24Pan, 5-8 SW, 3 Faworskis (16.8, 10.5, & 7mm), TMB 3.2mm, Hyp 36mm Aspheric, 20T5, & 14ES100
Other 2": Paracorr (Green Parrot), 2X PowerMate, Antares 1.6X Barlow, Astronomik Hß, (older) Lumicon UHC & OIII
60mm $50 Walmart Special in training - aka "Backpack Observatory"
Binoculars: Minolta Activa 12x50s & Steiner 15X80s
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pedro
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Reged: 09/28/04
Posts: 199
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Thanks Pedro for all your help and advice. I think when I do buy a large bino it will be a Nikon 18x70 Astroluxe. You all have helped convinced me that it is the best for my use.
Hello Tony
Just as a ''final'' comment (I apologize for some English errors) - I was watching some distant landscapes using the 18x70 yestarday on a ''middle-sized'' mountain far something around 30kms from my city... I was there at 3:00 P.M. seated comfortable and using a wood table as support to my arms - the air was clear and clean (due any recent rainy days) free of some distant fog so I got there some really ''clean view'' from about 50kms or so...maybe what I saw (my impressions) could help you in some way. The 18x70's was opened at this time at their regular 70mm- I was trying to check how visible should be the CA (Chromatic aberration) on a distant landscape. Well I need to admit that in the center of the field of view I can't notice nothing wrong with the image- only at the very edge (when looking staright at it) I could notice some false color but in anyway a intruder thing. The image was clear and very sharp - I could see some distant (maybe 5kms but I don’t know exactly – I am bad with distances) white cows when eating the green vegetation (maybe some grass) there – the white farm fence was also very sharp and perfect through them …on the farm’s house wall I could distinguish her fine bricks lines - also I tried a distant white water tank (against the green vegetation) with no problem with some intruder false color too. I watched also my city (as said before something 30kms away) and I could see his white buildings and constructions very well- again no one CA was a problem for me when looking at such distance…of course the worse thing when looking at the daytime mainly at such distance are those heat waves …but regarding the binoculars …no problem. Their transparency, sharpness and relaxed views sensation (added with the 72 AFOV) are some of fantastic things for a high 18X powered binoculars -they are really very well made – optically and mechanically – for distant landscapes or night sky the IF feature is not a problem in anyway because you seldom would be refocusing them. Black crowns flying showed yes some lateral false color but not all of the entire landscape…this shows that the CA’s issue is just a kind of thing really to see under some real severe conditions and at some nearest objects. The 72 AFOV is a pleasure to use for some distant daytime targets (and of course at nighttime)…you feel like looking trough a window (with no glass between your eyes and the scenery) and 18X is a very good power to brings you some very fine details. Also last night I used them to watch the wonderful starry sky – they are really IMO a very very nice pair of binoculars for both of the worlds – I got some very nice views of some star cluster on the Scorpion’s region and at some Southern constellations as the South Cross, Alpha Centaury, etc – and to finish - this could be a kind of ‘’strange and crazy’’ comment for some people – but these Nikon have also a very very nice and pleasant smell! In my opinion they deserves their price and they are for me with no doubt a lifetime keeper!
Regards Pedro
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tonyhuynh
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Reged: 04/09/07
Posts: 459
Loc: Boston, MA, USA
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Hello Pedro... Actually I must admit that I am one of those who likes the smell of my bino too...Thank you so much for your help. Enjoy the views from Brazil and have a wondeful New Year. Take care. Regards, Tony
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