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mejer
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Maxdome II new
      #2092698 - 01/03/08 01:30 PM

Hi

Does anybody know Maxdome II, does it work, without any problems, or are there better electronics for dome control?

Mejer

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Re: Maxdome II new [Re: mejer]
      #2092709 - 01/03/08 01:33 PM

Hi Mejer,

Unfortunately I don't have any experience with Maxdome, but I see this is your first post and I'd like to be the first (of many I'm sure) to welcome you

Hopefully you will get your question answered.

Again, welcome to CN.

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mejer
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Re: Maxdome II new [Re: Snaproll]
      #2092715 - 01/03/08 01:35 PM

thank you, and sorry my typing is not so good. i hope to improve.

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Re: Maxdome II new [Re: mejer]
      #2092965 - 01/03/08 03:00 PM

Mejer,
I have a Maxdome II system in my observatory. I upgraded from an older Autodome system to the newer Maxdome II. So far in the 6 plus months or so I haven’t had any issues with the Maxdome II system.

I didn’t opt for the wireless shutter control as I already had my own system in place. There were some issues with the wireless shutter control loosing communication with the controller on earlier MDII systems but I think they have fixed that.

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Currently a SV102A, WO 66mm & 10" LX200GPS OTA on a Paramount ME
(these OTAs subject to change without notice)


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Re: Maxdome II new [Re: JAT Observatory]
      #2093012 - 01/03/08 03:14 PM

Mejar:

Welcome to CN...and forget about your typing problems... I use 2 fingers..hunt and peck
sytle and I am not typing in a foreign language ..

My post however is to advise you that MARCUS is the "guru" so to speak about automation
and a heck of a lot more so pay attention to what he "types"...

Again Welcome...

Bob G.

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CPC1100
Nexstar 8i + GPS & Rays Brackets
Denk S1 power switch
Orion 100 mm Refractor
Meade LXD 55 ...AR-5 127 mm Refractor
Exploradome Observatory S.I.E. (Smiling Irish Eyes)
Gerbring Heated Motorcycle clothing in the winter

39*21'03" N
77*28'12" W

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rodney
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Re: Maxdome II new [Re: mejer]
      #2093978 - 01/03/08 08:48 PM

Mejer,
What dome are you planning on installing the Maxdome II controller in?

Marcus is the "GO TO" guy to talk to about the controller. I tried wiring it up in my Explora Dome to a 12 volt motor and could only get it to work in one direction. It works, just not properly. I have been told my relays are not the proper ones to be using. Also I used the included software to controller my AS-GT mount it fried the motor control board in the mount. It happened very quickly. Prior to that the mount worked fine with Nexremote and other applications.

I would strongly suggest looking into the Lesvesdome program and design. Many have used it with extreme success. And the cost is marginal in comparision to the MD II controller. Also the MD II uses a serial port connection that newer PC's no longer have. The Lesvesdome set up uses a Velleman K USB board and a Technical Innovations azimuth sensor.

Just some ideas to toss around.

Clear skies,

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Rodney

Meade 10 SCT
AT 8/F4 imaging scope
13 Truss
C8-NGT
Orion 80mm/F11
Canon 300D
Canon XSi
Two AS-GT mounts
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mejer
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Re: Maxdome II new [Re: rodney]
      #2094728 - 01/04/08 03:23 AM

Thanks for the kind welcoming

I’m making the dome with a lot of triangles. These are fit together with small ion plates. The top is 3 meter in diameter, and about 1.75 meter high.
I only need a program to turn the top around, not anything for the shutter, this is manually removed.
When the dome is ready, it is covered with glass fiber, to keep out rain and wind.

I have noticed that the Maxdome II uses ASCOM for connecting. I have a Meade LX200 14”, and Starry Night Pro. These are connected together with ASCOM.
If I could use ASCOM, for telescope and dome control at the same time, it all would be a lot easier. Then the telescopes pointing could be transferred directly to the dome control. So if you turn the telescope the dome just follows.

Mejer

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rodney
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Re: Maxdome II new [Re: mejer]
      #2094883 - 01/04/08 07:10 AM

Mejer,
Well. Surely Marcus will jump in here. It sounds as if you have the principal down already and only need the hardware. I suggest joining that Lesvesdome yahoo group and ask those guys as well. Also go to www.ascom-standards.org for all your drivers to do exactly what you are referring to in your post.

Clear skies,

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www.exploradome.us
Rodney

Meade 10 SCT
AT 8/F4 imaging scope
13 Truss
C8-NGT
Orion 80mm/F11
Canon 300D
Canon XSi
Two AS-GT mounts
Extremely happy Explora Dome home observatory owner


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Re: Maxdome II new [Re: rodney]
      #2096089 - 01/04/08 03:57 PM

As Rodney has pointed out the Lesvesdome system is also ASCOM compatible. While I have nothing against the Maxdome II system again as Rodney mentioned there would be a substantial saving with the Lesvesdome system if it worked with your setup. Now having said that I don’t know a lot about the Lesvesdome in practice, only what I have read and others seem to have had success with it.


The other thing is the dome tracking. It is not a simple matter and all dome tracking software is not created equally. When I first installed my system I used the older Autodome rotation hardware that I mentioned earlier. The software that was used to drive it and couple it to the telescope was a product called Automadome by the Software Bisque. While the software basically worked and has tons of adjustments that are suppose to allow the user to model the relationship between the scope and the dome geometry I was never able to get to work was the scope and dome in all positions.


The older Autodome rotation board was built by the same people (Cyanogen the makers of MaxiM DL) that make the Autodome II system. They provided me with an unreleased version of what would eventually become the Maxdome I control software. It worked (for me anyway) better than the Automadome software I purchased from Software Bisque. It was easier for me to idefine the geometry of my dome and telescope and it did a fairly good job of tracking the scope over the full range of movement of the scope. Not perfect but better than the Automadome software did.


When I upgraded to the Maxdome II system I received the version of the dome control software compatible with the Maxdome II hardware. Again it seemed to work ok. Not perfect, but pretty good. The whole reason I graded to the Maxdome II is I wanted to be able to run Bob Deny’s ACP observatory control software for enhanced automation and remote control.


What I found was ACP had it own dome/scope geometry parameters within the software. I suspect they are the same routines used in the ASCOM software as Bob Deny is the driving force behind ASCOM. When I used ACP for dome control I noticed the alignment between the scope and dome were even better than it was using the software supplied with Maxdome II. So now the ACP software is always used to slave control of the dome to the scope. Again it is not perfect but it is darn near close to it. (One of the problems in my case is the total aperture of my scopes are a bit big for my dome’s slit width.)


With any system you use to slave the dome to the scope there are 2 key issues:
1.) You must be able to accurately model the scope and dome’s geometry in order for a software based control system to achieve precision dome scope alignment. While there are some systems that use infrared beams to position the dome’s slit in front of the scope’s aperture I am not a fan of them.
2.) The control hardware must be able to accurately count either the number of motor revolutions it takes to move the dome one complete rotation; or it must be able to accurately track the exact position of the dome at any given

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-Marcus

The problem with free speech is even the stupid have a voice.

http://www.jatobservatory.org


Currently a SV102A, WO 66mm & 10" LX200GPS OTA on a Paramount ME
(these OTAs subject to change without notice)


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mejer
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Re: Maxdome II [Re: JAT Observatory]
      #2098039 - 01/05/08 10:22 AM

Thanks for all the help.
I think I know what to do now, with the dome control. Now I just have to buy it, and hope it reaches Denmark in one piece.

Mejer

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