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MartyT
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Noise Ninja or Neat Image?
      #2100857 - 01/06/08 01:14 PM

Which one and why?

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Re: Noise Ninja or Neat Image? new [Re: MartyT]
      #2100907 - 01/06/08 01:45 PM

I just got noise ninja (cs3 plugin) and I'm very surprised with its performance. never had neat image before. NN is very useful for astro images in the play time i've had with it (just a few days) it took minutes to learn how to use it too. I'm equally impressed with its performance with daylight photography as well. It will easily take a low light ISO 800 and turn it to a buttery smooth photo. Even some ISO 100 lightning pictures i have show vast improvements. Aurura pictures go from ok to WOW. I heart NN.

Not sure if neat image does this, but it some photos, i can now adjust levels, then run NN...and i'm done. it does a great unsharp mask, fixes a lot of purple fringing (!!) kills color noise completely and reduces lumi-noise all at the same time and does it better than a lot of the built in tools in CS3.

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Re: Noise Ninja or Neat Image? new [Re: MartyT]
      #2101719 - 01/06/08 07:38 PM

I use Kodak Digital GEM. I have used NeatImage and prefer GEM.

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Re: Noise Ninja or Neat Image? new [Re: Dean]
      #2103026 - 01/07/08 12:18 PM

Thanks for the replies - I'm sort of surprised that nobody else has chimed in, as I'd assume a lot more folks are using noise reduction tools...

I'll take a look at the Kodak tool when I get a chance.

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Re: Noise Ninja or Neat Image? new [Re: MartyT]
      #2103116 - 01/07/08 12:59 PM

I currently use Noise Ninja with the 40D profile. I gave the Kodak tool a try last night and it is quite impressive and will likely become the tool I use. I also tried the DigitalSho tool and found that works very well also.

Thanks for the heads up Dean!

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Re: Noise Ninja or Neat Image? new [Re: Strgazr27]
      #2103696 - 01/07/08 05:42 PM

I am using Imagenomic Noiseware mainly for high-ISO low light photos of non-astro stuff. Works great - I haven't tried any of the others mentioned.

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Re: Noise Ninja or Neat Image? new [Re: Tim in GA]
      #2104106 - 01/07/08 08:45 PM

I just downloaded and tried out Noise Ninja - amazing improvements in my images!!

I have a question - where in your tool chain would you apply Noise Ninja? Would you apply Noise Ninja in a batch process to all of your subs or right after stacking and aligning or later?

Or all of the above?

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Re: Noise Ninja or Neat Image? new [Re: David Culp]
      #2104175 - 01/07/08 09:16 PM

Definitely after stacking. Many people use noise reduction as the last step, but I've been doing it earlier either before or after stretching. I'll do it before more complex blends - for example I might use noise reduction seperately on my RGB and Lum, blend them for a new RGB and blend the Lum again but with a different level of noise reduction on the final lum layer.

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Re: Noise Ninja or Neat Image? new [Re: Dean]
      #2104262 - 01/07/08 09:59 PM

I use NoiseNinja and love it. I used to do some photography of swimming and wrestling high school meets and in the low light conditions, I was forced to sometimes shoot at 3200. Noise Ninja has great advanced controls for brushing out noise and creating masks.

But for daylight photos, it's also extremely quick to just run everything through the filter for excellent results. For AP, sometimes the smoothing is too strong, but with tweaking the settings it works great.

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Re: Noise Ninja or Neat Image? new [Re: KaibutsuX]
      #2110852 - 01/10/08 05:29 PM

Is the NN plug-in option not really meant to run with CS2 ?

Since I have CS2, maybe it is more worthwhile to just get the 16-bit stand-alone software ?

Been using NN for a couple year but now getting tired of those criss-cross water marks on the free version.

Thanks for any thoughts on this.

S

Edited by skyler (01/10/08 05:31 PM)


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Re: Noise Ninja or Neat Image? new [Re: skyler]
      #2111148 - 01/10/08 07:54 PM

I've been using Noise Ninja for a while and like it very much. I ended up getting the standalone 16 bit version. I use it on every photo as the last step.

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