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weatherandsky
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Using a modified DSLR for daytime photography
      #2108266 - 01/09/08 06:05 PM

Hi all,

Just wondering if any of you guys are using your modified camera extensively for daytime photography as well. If so then what type of modification did you get done and how has it affected your work flow for daytime imaging.

Thanks

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D. Perry
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Re: Using a modified DSLR for daytime photography new [Re: weatherandsky]
      #2108370 - 01/09/08 06:46 PM

I had a modified 20D (Hutech's Type Ia filter modification--that's the replacement of the stock filter with one that blocks UV and IR but still allows Ha through).

I used custom white balance images to get good color reproduction for regular daytime photos. Here are some examples:

http://www.californiastars.net/album/londonireland/pages/0002_uk_stpauls_alley.html

http://www.californiastars.net/album/londonireland/pages/0017_uk_towerbridge_night.html

http://www.californiastars.net/album/londonireland/pages/0024_uk_buckingham_victoria_wide.html

http://www.californiastars.net/album/londonireland/pages/0055_uk_bath_landscape.html

http://www.californiastars.net/album/londonireland/pages/0080_ire_rockofcashel.html

http://www.californiastars.net/album/londonireland/pages/0102_ire_dingle_bird.html

http://www.californiastars.net/album/londonireland/pages/0111_ire_cliffsmoher_obrien.html

http://www.californiastars.net/album/londonireland/pages/0126_ire_house_table.html

http://www.californiastars.net/album/londonireland/pages/0146_ire_doolough_delphiriver.html

Most of them are straight from the camera (after taking and applying a custom WB) but I did have to tweak some of them in Photoshop (when I wasn't very diligent about taking new WB images when the lighting changed).

Here's an example of an image without and with a custom white balance image (the custom white balance image itself is the small rectangle in the middle):

http://www.californiastars.net/images/help/custom_white_balance.jpg

Here's another one:

http://www.californiastars.net/gallery/other/customwhitebalance.jpg

There are also filters you can use instead of white balance images. You either need a filter that's placed in front of the mirror of the camera or on the front of the lens. Each has its drawbacks. Here's a short article I wrote about this:

http://www.californiastars.net/article_dslr_regular.html

Can you tell I've thought a little about this?

Hope it helps.

- Danny

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Re: Using a modified DSLR for daytime photography new [Re: weatherandsky]
      #2108458 - 01/09/08 07:20 PM

Hi Kerry,

I had my 300D modified and the filter was replaced with a Badder IR filter. Colour is not a problem when taking daytime photos, if you use the custom WB. The issue I had was with auto focus.

After the modification, I couldn't get my camera to autofocus properly. I think that the refractive index, due to thickness, of the IR filter is different than the canon stock filter. I therefore had to do dozens of trial and error with adjusments to the internal focus screw. I think that I have it pretty close now.

I will try to post an image later.

Darren

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Re: Using a modified DSLR for daytime photography new [Re: D. Perry]
      #2108625 - 01/09/08 08:29 PM

Danny,

Fantastic pictures and website, very informative. I just recieved my Hutech 40D a couple days ago and your site is very inspiring.

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Re: Using a modified DSLR for daytime photography new [Re: PGW Steve]
      #2108853 - 01/09/08 09:41 PM

I modded my D50 and did not replace the stock filter with anything....
I just decided recently I wanted to do some daytime photography as well so I purchased the X-nite CC1 filter and have had PERFECT results,autofocus and color balance are flawless!!!

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Re: Using a modified DSLR for daytime photography new [Re: nofxrx]
      #2109542 - 01/10/08 07:38 AM

THanks all,
Great information so far. Danny those are really helpful links. ...and very nice pictures. I'll have to do more research over the months. The X-nite CC1 filter sounds interesting as well.

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Kerry
* Weather and Sky Photography *

QHY-8, Canon 40D unmodded, Meade DSI-C
Meade 12" LightBridge
Astro-Tech 8in RC
Celestron C6-SCT
Sky-Watcher Equinox 80mm APO
Omcon 4.5" Newt
Celestron Skymaster 15x70
Canon 50 f1.8, 100 f2.8Macro, 100-400 f4.5-5.6L, Sigma 17-70, 18-50, 28-300
CGE, CG-5 GT


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Re: Using a modified DSLR for daytime photography new [Re: D. Perry]
      #2110743 - 01/10/08 04:40 PM

Quote:

I had a modified 20D (Hutech's Type Ia filter modification--that's the replacement of the stock filter with one that blocks UV and IR but still allows Ha through).

I used custom white balance images to get good color reproduction for regular daytime photos. Here are some examples:

http://www.californiastars.net/album/londonireland/pages/0002_uk_stpauls_alley.html

http://www.californiastars.net/album/londonireland/pages/0017_uk_towerbridge_night.html

http://www.californiastars.net/album/londonireland/pages/0024_uk_buckingham_victoria_wide.html

http://www.californiastars.net/album/londonireland/pages/0055_uk_bath_landscape.html

http://www.californiastars.net/album/londonireland/pages/0080_ire_rockofcashel.html

http://www.californiastars.net/album/londonireland/pages/0102_ire_dingle_bird.html

http://www.californiastars.net/album/londonireland/pages/0111_ire_cliffsmoher_obrien.html

http://www.californiastars.net/album/londonireland/pages/0126_ire_house_table.html

http://www.californiastars.net/album/londonireland/pages/0146_ire_doolough_delphiriver.html

Most of them are straight from the camera (after taking and applying a custom WB) but I did have to tweak some of them in Photoshop (when I wasn't very diligent about taking new WB images when the lighting changed).

Here's an example of an image without and with a custom white balance image (the custom white balance image itself is the small rectangle in the middle):

http://www.californiastars.net/images/help/custom_white_balance.jpg

Here's another one:

http://www.californiastars.net/gallery/other/customwhitebalance.jpg

There are also filters you can use instead of white balance images. You either need a filter that's placed in front of the mirror of the camera or on the front of the lens. Each has its drawbacks. Here's a short article I wrote about this:

http://www.californiastars.net/article_dslr_regular.html

Can you tell I've thought a little about this?

Hope it helps.

- Danny




Hey Danny...when you say you work with the white balance, is that the white balance in the camera settings or is it something that you fool with in PS? I have a 40D but don't want to modify it because I use it for daytime stuff. If it's nothing more than playing with the white balance in the camera, I may send it to Hutech.

Thanks! David

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D. Perry
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Re: Using a modified DSLR for daytime photography new [Re: David Pavlich]
      #2111159 - 01/10/08 07:58 PM

Hi David,

I haven't ever tried tweaking the camera's internal white balance presets. Taking a custom white balance image is when you actually take an image (of a gray card) and have the camera apply it to subsequent images so that it knows how gray looks.

Most of the time, when I took a custom white balance image, the subsequent images came out great and I didn't need to do anything. Once in a while, when I wasn't being careful about taking new custom WB images in different lighting, I'd have to tweak them in Photoshop.

I didn't think it was that big of a deal to take new WB images as needed, but some people might find it to be a pain. I plan on having my 40D modified, I just haven't done it yet.

Best.

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www.californiastars.net
Ontario, California [ 34N | 117W ]

• Astro-Physics 900GTO & ATS Portable Pier
• Meade 12" LX200-ACF OTA
• Celestron 9.25" SCT
• Takahashi FSQ-106ED
• Stellarvue SV80S (Lomo super APO triplet)
• SBIG ST-10XME
• Canon EOS 5D MII (unmodified)


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justabob
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Re: Using a modified DSLR for daytime photography new [Re: D. Perry]
      #2111963 - 01/11/08 03:00 AM

This question seems to come up on a weekly basis. Mod your camera! It will not effect it for daylight use.

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Re: Using a modified DSLR for daytime photography new [Re: justabob]
      #2112131 - 01/11/08 06:29 AM

I use a WhiBal card and no custom white balance in the camera. Works like a charm. The problem with a custom white balance is that it's only applicable to the current lighting conditions. Sure, you can set it off a gray card at noon on a sunny day, but how often are you taking pictures at noon on sunny days? That setting will work OK for a lot of outdoor photography, but I found myself frustrated with food photography in low-light conditios, and product shots for my wife's crafts. Using the WhiBal card allows me to set the WB in Adobe RAW for each different lighting condition (my blog has some examples). It'll be a moot point soon for me since I am about to purchase a 30D for non-astro photos.

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Re: Using a modified DSLR for daytime photography new [Re: D. Perry]
      #2112443 - 01/11/08 10:21 AM

Thanks for the information. I just may send it in. Doesn't seem like a big deal.

David

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D. Perry
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Re: Using a modified DSLR for daytime photography new [Re: David Pavlich]
      #2114492 - 01/12/08 02:14 AM

"Mod your camera! It will not effect it for daylight use."

I wouldn't want anyone to get the wrong idea. It absolutely affects your camera for daylight use, without a doubt, no question whatsoever.

The issue is what you have to do to get pictures to look normal again. Sometimes people use their DSLRs a lot for regular use and don't want to have to deal with filters and white balance images. When that's the case, modding is not the route to go.

And for those who are really critical about photography, it can also affect autoexposure modes and the accuracy of those settings.

That said, most people, even those who consider themselves advanced amateurs, aren't going to notice any problems with the exposure settings and are going to be able to overcome the color issues without too much trouble. But to say it doesn't affect daylight use is incorrect and misleading to those who aren't familiar with the issues.

Best.

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www.californiastars.net
Ontario, California [ 34N | 117W ]

• Astro-Physics 900GTO & ATS Portable Pier
• Meade 12" LX200-ACF OTA
• Celestron 9.25" SCT
• Takahashi FSQ-106ED
• Stellarvue SV80S (Lomo super APO triplet)
• SBIG ST-10XME
• Canon EOS 5D MII (unmodified)


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Re: Using a modified DSLR for daytime photography new [Re: D. Perry]
      #2114519 - 01/12/08 02:49 AM

Quote:

"Mod your camera! It will not effect it for daylight use."

I wouldn't want anyone to get the wrong idea. It absolutely affects your camera for daylight use, without a doubt, no question whatsoever.

The issue is what you have to do to get pictures to look normal again. Sometimes people use their DSLRs a lot for regular use and don't want to have to deal with filters and white balance images. When that's the case, modding is not the route to go.

And for those who are really critical about photography, it can also affect autoexposure modes and the accuracy of those settings.

That said, most people, even those who consider themselves advanced amateurs, aren't going to notice any problems with the exposure settings and are going to be able to overcome the color issues without too much trouble. But to say it doesn't affect daylight use is incorrect and misleading to those who aren't familiar with the issues.

Best.




Well if you are someone who only uses the little green box for automatic mode on his canon then yes modding your camera will create some issues. But I don't think someone whose primary interest is astro photography falls into that category.

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