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Is there any review or comment about it ?
Clear Skies.
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I don't believe it's been shipped yet, ik507...
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Yeah itīs not in stock yet.....and I want to hear about this triplet Apo too. By the price range on the 4" category it looks a bargain.
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I don't know about that...apparently this guy has one...pictures look nice too.
http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/2166919/page/2/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1
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Is there any review or comment about it ?
Clear Skies.
I have been testing the 111 when the weather allows which this winter has not been as often as usual or I'd like. Buzzer is helping me out and occasionally uses the scope. He's doing some nice stuff with it and the scope is pretty impressive. No visible CA when in focus, excellent contrast and a very flat field. Almost no curvature is visible using a 40D sized chip. andy has a few more pictures I'll have him throw up on here.
I can also tell you it's good enough that I don't think Mike at Astronomics will be getting this back as either Andy or I will be purchasing the scope if Mike and Royce do not need it back.
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Hello,
I have been using the 111, every chance I get, this winter has been a real stinker though. If we get 1 clear night a week we are happy. That being said, the first images with the 111 were taken when it was on top of my Meade 12" LX 200 fork mount. Balancing and guiding were a real chore to get right and I am not sure I ever did get it right. Bobby, has been trying to convince me about a CGE, and I finally listened. I only have the CGE for about 2 weeks. I am now extremly happy with his advice, and this made the scope shine even brighter. Guiding and balancing are now no trouble at all. The scope is made very well, the 2 speed focuser is real smooth, it also seems to carry the Canon 40D with no problem. I only image, so looking through it has not been a quest. The stars are pinpoint all the way to the edge. Another thing I must add is that even on different nights, I have not moved the focuser, it holds the focus from night to night. I have never noticed any CA. I am attaching a picture, I took with this scope. It is a picture of M-51, Taken with a Canon 40D, 74 subs, each one 4 minutes long, iso 800. Stacked it in Deep Sky Stacker, processed it in Photoshop. I have to use a IDAS light pollution filter all the time, my clear dark sky clock has me right in the middle of white. The picture was cropped ever so slightly due to slight field rotation. It even picked up a number of faint fuzzies. One more thing, I will not give this back even if they need it, LOL. Andy
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One beautiful image,Buzzer. 
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I'll be honest. I was less than impressed with the review Tom T gave the 80 millimeter version. I i were on the market for this, i think i"d take the aperture hit and go with the soon to be TMB 90.
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The 111 and 80mm scopes are to different animals and two differnet designs. Tom Back designed the 111mm.
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where is the 90 mm AT90EDT???????????????
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where is the 90 mm AT90EDT???????????????
Don't ask. Whenever this question is asked no sound is to be heard from anyone 
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Still not here. We have 100 empty tubes if that would satsify you.
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this is tantamount to torture. just like a horse being shown a carrot so it would advance forward to reach for it and pull on the chariot. 
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When do you gonna have the AT111 in stock? 
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10 days tops. They have cleared customs and are on the road to us now.
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And the TMB80SS ?
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Still not here. We have 100 empty tubes if that would satsify you.
So Astronomics assembles the final product?
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The 111 and 80mm scopes are to different animals and two differnet designs. Tom Back designed the 111mm.
Who designed the 80?
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Here is another image with the Astro-Tech 111. This is when I had the Meade LX 200 12", I had the 111 piggybacked on it, with a Losmandy plate, DA blocks and fixed rings. It was extremely hard to balance, due to the fork mount, and I sometimes had to use an extra long 1/2" threaded rod on my balancing rig, along with extra weights. This image was 48- 75 second subs, iso 800, Canon modified XTI, unguided. This image was also rotated and cropped due to the way it was situated in the scope. With this set up it would have took to long to rotate the camera and refocus, Andy
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This will be the last one, unless the weather does a 360. It has been cloudy for a long time now. Here is a picture of Comet 17P Holmes (I am sure we all have one). Once again same set up with Meade 12". I used about a 16" long, 1/2" rod and 4 weights just to balance it all, this object was in the Northeast so the set up was pulling extremly hard. Taken on 11-11-07. It is 55-2 minute subs, ISO 800, Canon modified XTI, stacked in Deep Sky Stacker, this was auto guided through the 12". This picture was also in Astronomy Magazines Reader Gallery for February,(lucky me). Andy
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Buzzer, I was going for the StellarVue 102 but those AT111 pics have me rethinking... *BLEEP*.
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Lotta blue bloat around those stars. Is this supposed to be an APO or is it just advertised as "ED"?
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Phillip,
It's the processing not the scope. If you look at the other pictures you'll see they don't suffer the same as the HH shot. I can tell you that I have not seen any false color either while imaging or when using the scope for the VERY limited time I used it visually.
This is also a very early processing job by Andy and he has learned a bit in the last few days.
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On the 90mm the lenses in cell come from one manufacturer and the tube comes from another manufacturer. I would not really call threading a cell onto a tube assembly, but yes we do put them together. They then go through a test for collimation and will go to an interferometer.
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The image of Comet Holmes is awesome. This scope has truely impressed me with these images. I would have thought this triplet and the 80EDT would have been sweet for visual purposes only. I'm learning something new here. Thanks Buzzer and Bobby.
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waterskies
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So they are supplied with an interferometric report? Wow, that is cool to know how good one's lens really is! 
What is the average you guarantee? What happens to the ones that do not meet your standards? Can you sell them to at lower price?
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On the 90mm the lenses in cell come from one manufacturer and the tube comes from another manufacturer. I would not really call threading a cell onto a tube assembly, but yes we do put them together. They then go through a test for collimation and will go to an interferometer.
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Not supplied with a report. We don't want people complaining that theres is not as good as another random piece even though they are above the minimums. For this reason alone, Tom Back quit suppling the reports with his scopes he sold in the US. This is for our own piece of mind.
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The 111 and 80mm scopes are to different animals and two differnet designs. Tom Back designed the 111mm.
I understand that TMB designed the 111, but who designed the lens for the 80?
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A lens designer of some sort. Who designs WO, SV, Celestron, or Meade?
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We don't want people complaining that theres is not as good as another random piece even though they are above the minimums.
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A lens designer of some sort. Who designs WO, SV, Celestron, or Meade?
Just asking Mike, don"t really see the problem with asking a simple question.
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I don't have an answer for you as the desinger. That's all, nothing more nothing less. I didn't mean any disrespect or to be short.
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waterskies
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So we simply believe you that they are individually tested ?
What is your MINIMUM standard? What's the min. RMS surface wavelength I mean?
If the 111 is TMB designed, what is the difference then between the SS series and AT series? I did not find any info on the 111 on the website, and on Astronomics website (interesting it should be there but not on AT website!) there is no mention of TMB...
My specific concern is this:
-The TMB 92mm (triplet FPL-53 AND TMB design) costs $2000
-The AT 111mm (triplet, FPL-51 and TMB design + interferometrically tested) costs $ 1800
Comparing to other similar products on the market (SV,WO, Russian TMB) either, the 92mm costs TOO much, or the AT is a real bargain... or both!
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The Tak Sky90 is about 2K and so is the SV90T so I would not call the 92SS overpriced. The AT111 might be the bargain though.
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frodriguez
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That wasn't the best picture to take with the 111 and publish. It does look like blue bloat, although processing could account for much of it. I think reprocessing or a new picture is in order to mend all doubts.
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That wasn't the best picture to take with the 111 and publish. It does look like blue bloat, although processing could account for much of it. I think reprocessing or a new picture is in order to mend all doubts.
Here is the SAME image redone. If you look at the original post it's quite easy to see several mistakes made. As I said before Andy has come A LONG way in the past 2 months as far as processing goes. This was one of his first serious images. That is not a dig against Andy at all. The black point is severely clipped and the saturation has been turned up to bring out the colors and some detail. There has also been too much noise reduction applied to it. All of these factors contribute to the image he originally posted. Take a look at his M51 shot, the Homes shot which made it into Astronomy magazine last month or his M81/82 Image Here . I don't see any blue bloat visible. Notice the difference in his processing skills.
The TMB92SS is not over priced and is actually a very good deal considering what you will get when they arrive.
The 111 looks to be a phenomenal deal. I'm surprised that noone has commented on how flat the field is with the 111. There is VERY little curvature present. This is not easy to do with a triplet design.
I also don't see anybody "Dancing around the issues" as has been implied. It's funny, the TMB130SS went through the same ringer when it was first released and look now. IF you can find one for sale they command the same price as when bought new and have gotten nothing but rave reviews comparing them to any 130-140mm scope available.
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no blue left in the image...
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We don't want people complaining that theres is not as good as another random piece even though they are above the minimums.
I recall somebody bringing up a similar question about A-P refractors many years ago. Roland didn't include the P-V wave rating or Strehl for scopes he shipped.
Just an assurance that they'd be at least as good as a particular rating (1/8 wave at the wavefront?).
Some other vendors were selling brands which included individual certificates.
IIRC, Roland explained that he didn't provide individual wave ratings for each scope, for basically the same reason Astronomics mentioned.
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We don't want people complaining that theres is not as good as another random piece even though they are above the minimums.
I recall somebody bringing up a similar question about A-P refractors many years ago. Roland didn't include the P-V wave rating or Strehl for scopes he shipped.
Just an assurance that they'd be at least as good as a particular rating (1/8 wave at the wavefront?).
Some other vendors were selling brands which included individual certificates.
IIRC, Roland explained that he didn't provide individual wave ratings for each scope, for basically the same reason Astronomics mentioned.
But they do provide a minimum. And I'm not criticizing anyone who does or doesn't.
It is a delicate dance, one must perform, when they manufacture and sell telescopes.
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no blue left in the image...
That's the blue bloat PS action tool.
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no blue left in the image...
I just opened the image up in PSCS2 and it shows levels of 28:24:20 as far as color balance goes. Certainly not a lack of blue as far as the numbers go.
If the info is not good I don't know what to say at this point. We have 4 images posted, 3 of which show a nice flat field, pinpoint stars and no blue bloat. We have one that shows the bloat and yet we seem to be fixated on that image. It's also obvious that the image has been overprocessed in it's original form.
The info is here for people to see what it can do and make a decision off of it and info from others.
You make the choice ultimately.
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no blue left in the image...
That's the blue bloat PS action tool.
OK now even I have to admit that was funny. 
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IIRC, Roland explained that he didn't provide individual wave ratings for each scope, for basically the same reason Astronomics mentioned.
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The difference is, with AP, the guys MANUFACTURE the lens, and they are not normally a company that will sell you a lemon, right? Different story with a company that imports their lenses from the Far East or wherever.
It justs sounds silly that someone tells me, I check your scope with an interferometer, but I do not give you a report, nor do I tell you how good it is! Just my two cents 
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The TMB92SS is not over priced and is actually a very good deal considering what you will get when they arrive.
That's the only problem, WHEN! 
Been following these two lines since July last year.. Still I do not know ONE customer who has bought one off the shelf.. I have read back in various forums, the first "30-60 days" announcements where done in 2006...
But probably you are right, IF it does perform as well as they WRITE, then it shouldn't be overpriced.
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The 111 looks to be a phenomenal deal. I'm surprised that noone has commented on how flat the field is with the 111. There is VERY little curvature present. This is not easy to do with a triplet design.
What do you mean, not easy? Isn't it easier than with a doublet?? I was under the impression that triplets correct the field better than doublets..
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It's funny, the TMB130SS went through the same ringer when it was first released and look now. IF you can find one for sale they command the same price as when bought new and have gotten nothing but rave reviews comparing them to any 130-140mm scope available.
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Same, I do not know many people who actually bought any of these 130s, and the dealers never have stock...
Just check the status of the SS line or the AT line on Astronomics web, and then you'll see what I mean..
So the rave reviews would be more founded if there actually were enough scopes under the skies! Anyone knows how many were sold so far? Got any pics taken with the 130 you can link me to?
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Untrue. If the scope doesn't work, it doesn't ship. Plenty of companies have an interferometer and don't give you a report with the scope.
TMB 92 is a day away. Then the 2.7" FT is any day as well.
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sounds silly that someone tells me, I check your scope with an interferometer, but I do not give you a report
Other silly companies that do that are Questar, TMB, Takahashi.
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A triplet offers better color correction and a flatter field. It is not an easy thing to provide both to a very high degree of performance. Perhaps this is more clear a statement.
How many images shot with the 130SS would you like to see?
There's These
Or perhaps This one
Or scroll halfway down to see the ones I shot Here
Enough 130's under the skies? You need to do a bit more research. There are at least 50+ in the hands of very happy owners. Click on the link in my signature to go to my TMB130SS Yahoo group for example.
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strgazr, are you some kind of promoter for the TMB SS series? it seems that in every discussion regarding this line of refractors, you seem to always find yourself either defending and/or promoting the product. I don't mean to question your impartiality, but it would be nice to know if there's some sort of bias in your communiques.
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strgazr, are you some kind of promoter for the TMB SS series? it seems that in every discussion regarding this line of refractors, you seem to always find yourself either defending and/or promoting the product.
Not to let things wander too much farther off topic, but not too many folks have experience with that model yet - so the lucky few of us who do have experience share it when appropriate.
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Bob, altough 80 % of the pics I saw are yours, and yes, they are good!, I did find a few more -you are right-, looking around the members of your SS group it seems that at least 4 or 5 other people got one ..
But the impression I get from reading CN is that these two lines (SS and AT) (which seem to be different only for marketing, as in, made in the same place and with TMB label to allow for different pricing of the two), are actually rather over-hyped due to the Astronomics connection to CN... It is as clear as it can be, but it does not mean that they are not good scopes! Just that they are over hyped.. But if I want an over hyped scope I "get" a BO.. If you check on Astromart, you get a more balanced opinion (and I think better information because people like Roland are there to give advice).
I could not find any info on the 111mm on Astromart and almost nil in other forums.
The AT 111 is the one I am most interested in. I recently found out it is a TMB design, so I think it is basically the younger brother of the 130SS. There are still doubts on the Japanse origin (?) of the 130SS, but who cares, as long as it performs well.. I cannot afford it anyway!
What do you make of this shot:
http://sky.prohosting.com/mikedodd/Rosette-SE-large.html
Is it pinched or something?
Definitely this one is better but shows that the scope does need a field flattener...
http://homepage.mac.com/jprovi57/.Public/TMB%20130SS%20ngc2244.jpg
That said, I agree that for the price it is a GOOD performer, if you only can get one eventually! As I wrote before waiting is normal for a good 5" but I am not sure I want to wait much longer for a 4" with all the offering out there off the shelf. As to the interferometer, I still think that they should at least say what is the minimum standard.
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But the impression I get from reading CN is that these two lines (SS and AT) (which seem to be different only for marketing, as in, made in the same place and with TMB label to allow for different pricing of the two),
The optics are certainly not "made in the same place".
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The 111 does not use the same glass as the TMB 130. They are entirely different scopes. I don't really get the connection as we don't post here very much or tell people what to say about products we carry and sell.
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Bob is also right on the number of people that have the scopes. It is much greater than four or five.
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How do you and I know that?
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I didn't want to suggest that they use the same glass! Sorry.
They are designed by the same person right? As to the hype, I was referring to the number of reviews from CN-related users...
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Ok sorry about that... I was only referring to the number of people who SAY they have one in internet forums.. Of course that may be unrepresentative of the real total! But I do get the feeling they are certainly MORE than the owners of a AT 111mm...
What about my point about the RMS of the AT111 or 130? Can you give us some AVERAGE figures since you test every single one of them?
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The 130 and 111 are designed by the same person. I don't know about hype still. There are some CN users that have had prototypes of the instruments for months so they can make sure they work in all different conditions. I am glad they like the product well enough to talk about it. I love seeing flag wavers for their respective brands, it just means the people have passion for their hobby in my eyes.
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The interferometer was purchased after the first batch of 130 SS scopes shipped. However, the scopes have a required minimum from the late Tom Back of 1/6th wave and 95 strehl. Thas has been his minimums since he started his company a decade or so ago. We have had reports through the roddier program of 1/10th wave and 99 strehl on more then one lens.
I believe the roddier test of the 111 brought around 1/8th wave and 98 strehl, but I could be wrong as I don't have the data on my desk.
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As the AT-111 has not shipped, you are correct. There are many more owners of the 130.
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Bob, altough 80 % of the pics I saw are yours, and yes, they are good!, I did find a few more -you are right-, looking around the members of your SS group it seems that at least 4 or 5 other people got one ..
It's quite a few more than 4 or 5 but we'll leave it at that.
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But the impression I get from reading CN is that these two lines (SS and AT) (which seem to be different only for marketing, as in, made in the same place and with TMB label to allow for different pricing of the two), are actually rather over-hyped due to the Astronomics connection to CN... It is as clear as it can be, but it does not mean that they are not good scopes! Just that they are over hyped.. But if I want an over hyped scope I "get" a BO.. If you check on Astromart, you get a more balanced opinion (and I think better information because people like Roland are there to give advice).
You may be getting that impression but it's an incorrect impression. The scopes are hyped because they are that good. S&T made the 130SS one of their "Hot Products" for 2007. They have also said that "Everyone should own an AT66" Perhaps becuase Astronomics carries the scopes and the exposure is higher your getting that impression. And the scopes are not one in the same re-badges.
Astromart for Non hyped opinions I have to differ with you there. Some of the most lopsided comments and signs of favoritism have reared the'r ugly head over there. As for Roland posting over there, that's great but it proves nothing really. I think he may be leary of posting here as this is such a more popular forum with more members he's afraid of being barraged with questions and PM's.
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I could not find any info on the 111mm on Astromart and almost nil in other forums.
Well that's pretty easy to answer. Nobody else has any. That would make it kinda hard for anyone to post about it anyplace other than here.
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The AT 111 is the one I am most interested in. I recently found out it is a TMB design, so I think it is basically the younger brother of the 130SS.
Nope. The only thing the 111 and the 130 share is both are a Thomas design and both are triplets. They use different glass, different focusers lens cells etc.
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There are still doubts on the Japanse origin (?) of the 130SS, but who cares, as long as it performs well..
Exactly my stance on the issue. We both can agree on that.
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What do you make of this shot:
http://sky.prohosting.com/mikedodd/Rosette-SE-large.html
Is it pinched or something?
I think you linked to a picture from Mike D's site that was taken with a 9.25" SCT and shows classic SCT flaws. That image was not taken with a TMB130SS.
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I think that this one is better but shows that the scope does need a field flattener...
http://homepage.mac.com/jprovi57/.Public/TMB%20130SS%20ngc2244.jpg
Yeah it does but that was also taken with an ST11000 camera. That's a mighty big chip to fill and there are very few scopes out that can cover that chip flat.
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strgazr, are you some kind of promoter for the TMB SS series? it seems that in every discussion regarding this line of refractors, you seem to always find yourself either defending and/or promoting the product. I don't mean to question your impartiality, but it would be nice to know if there's some sort of bias in your communiques.
If you do some research on the subject you'd find that I preface everything I have said about the 130SS and the 111 with the fact I DO NOT, HAVE NOT and WON'T take/get anything from Astronomics or AT for the reviews I present here. I consider the chance to use the scopes a bonus. I defend what I think are good products and also promote what I think are good products. Isn't that what everyone should do? I took a beating when I first spoke about the 130SS. The funny thing is what I had said has turned out to be true and backed up by more people than just myself.
And lets be honest, you asking the question does, in a way question my impartiality and that's fine.
I'll say it here and than be done with it. The ONLY thing I get from Astronomics or AT or anybody else I may have the pleasure of testing for is the ability to use a scope before most people can get their hands on it. I help with suggestions, answer questions about design and performance based on MY experience and observations from ACTUALLY using the equipment. I hope that I can continue to etst for Mike or anyone else who may ask me to.
That's all I'll say about the sunject anymore. Your free to draw your own conclusions.
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Thanks!
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I thought you had mentioned that some had been shipped both in the US and overseas? So now, not even one has?
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What I said in the thread was "There are some CN users that have had prototypes of the instruments for months so they can make sure they work in all different conditions." There have been two prototypes of the 111mm. One is in the states and the other piece is overseas. Either tomorrow or the next day there will be 50 111mm in the store and many will ship out to the states or overseas.
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Bob, let's leave aside the hype and actual number of 130... I think most people don't care, so I will just keep my opinion to myself.
Sorry about the Rosette you are right! I wanted to link to the RBG one !
http://sky.prohosting.com/mikedodd/rosette-large.html
I think that a scope in that class should perform well with a large chip! Otherwise what refractors can? Which field flattener you recommend with it and with the AT 111 (if anyone has an idea)
You tried both scopes right? What differences can you highlight?
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I was under the impression that the S&T Hot Products ad was just that a paid for ad. At least I was told that by someone in the industry who has been "selected" as a hot product.
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Gotcha. Please do let us know once you finish testing them all and they start shipping!
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Untrue. Sky and Tel editors get together and pick products they like and think represent good value to the hobby.
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Will do.
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I think that a scope in that class should perform well with a large chip! Otherwise what refractors can?
I think that'd be nice, too - but no triplet can do it without help. Wishing won't make it so. The only 5" telescope I know of that will do it unassisted is the NP-127 (not a triplet - and $3000 higher in price).
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I think that a scope in that class should perform well with a large chip! Otherwise what refractors can?
John is right. The only other one I can think of and it's 5mm smaller is the Pentax 125 and it's $3000 more than the 130 and $5000 more than the 111. It's also a 4 element setup with a built in corrector so it's really not even a valid choice.
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Which field flattener you recommend with it and with the AT 111 (if anyone has an idea)
Both Andy and I have used the 111 with the TV .8 reducer flattener with some decent results. As this was the only unit either of us had on hand that's all I can add to that.
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You tried both scopes right? What differences can you highlight?
The optics and color correction are both better in the 130 as they should be and is no surprise. There is no competition in the focuser department as the 130 offers the absolute pinnacle of focusers in the Feathertouch 3545. The 111's is VERY nice for the price point and won't dissapoint. It carryies a 40D with no sag or shift but it's just not the FT. I like the lens cell better in the 130 than the 111 but the 111's is still a nicely done unit. The tubes are very similiar in fit and finish.
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Sorry about the Rosette you are right! I wanted to link to the RBG one !
http://sky.prohosting.com/mikedodd/rosette-large.html
I see a shot that suffers from several issues. Soft focus, frame alignment that is off and tracking that is a bit suspect. This is also a narrowband image and they are very hard to process. I wouldn't use this image to judge the optics IMO.
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Bob, honestly I do not know the 125mm Pentax (although I read some good things about it especially for wide field medium format shooting: this is another scope few people own anyway.), but I seriously hope that the performance is better than the other Pentax I've seen... They are just horrible in the blue! I don't know why so few people notice that. Even if you can of course eliminate it, makes one think about using the word APO for them.
What about a flattener for the 130? What did you use?
What are the differences you mention in the lens cells? Are they both collimatable?
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Bob, honestly I do not know the 125mm Pentax (although I read some good things about it especially for wide field medium format shooting: this is another scope few people own anyway.), but I seriously hope that the performance is better than the other Pentax I've seen... They are just horrible in the blue! I don't know why so few people notice that. Even if you can of course eliminate it, makes one think about using the word APO for them.
What about a flattener for the 130? What did you use?
What are the differences you mention in the lens cells? Are they both collimatable?
Some of the Pentax scopes will show a hint of flase color from what I have also seen. The older ones seem to be a bit worse than the new ones. The trade off is the ability to completely cover a 4X6 format camera with an almost perfectly flat field. Most imagers would rather fight with a bit of spurious color than to have to deal with a badly curved field.
I didn't test any flatteners with the 130 as the 2 cameras I used with it (Modified 20D and a MONO ST2000) showed almost no curvature with that size chip If you hunt around you'll also find that a high quality flattener for scopes of the 130 size and up can get VERY expensive. Some of them can cost as much as 1/4 the price of a 130 itself. I have heard of one gentleman using the flattener for the TMB 152 with success but thats a $1000 flattener. Another has tried the TAK 130 unit also. You may be able to use the TV piece for 800-1000mm scopes but this will seriously vignette a full frame camera. Unless your using a large chip CCD or full frame DSLR there is really no need for it based on the images I have seen and taken.
Now back to the 111.
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The FLT110 flattener should work well with the AT111. They are essentially the same optic. Although, you may need an adapter made to connect it to the focuser.
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Hello Again,
Thursday night the weather cleared for a few hours, 3-1/2 hours to be exact. Here is a picture of M81-M82. 55-4 minute subs through the 111,Canon 40D unmodded, iso 800. I cropped the edges slightly. The moon was half full, Andy
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Boy I would like to get one of these, I think it would be nearly the perfect scope for my needs.
Hmmmmmm ...... lets see...... What could I sell?
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